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17 years, 8 months ago
Special effects are what make a good movie. They make what's impossible come true, they take gore to a different level. Now personally, I think that the special effects of new are a bit much. The heavy duty computer animation is one thing. Think of a time back when all the fancy pants CGI wasn't around. Which would you prefer?
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    takineko
    3931 Posts
    17 years, 8 months ago
    I like a good balance of the two, it is way over done these days, I'll agree.
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      flamepanther
      948 Posts
      17 years, 8 months ago
      I'm with Taki on this one. Use CGI when there's no other way to get the scene you want, but don't use it when it's not needed. Or a better rule to go by: use whatever works best.
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        mr-funky
        1620 Posts
        17 years, 8 months ago
        i like both as well, but sometimes you can tell its CG, so i sometimes hate it and some movies with the oldskool effects are still pretty cool...
          Soltydog
          340 Posts
          17 years, 8 months ago
          With all the new fangled effects they got, karo syrup and red food coloring still makes the best blood. Seriously, you don't need CGI effects to make a good film. A lot of times they are put in there just for a WOW factor and don't do anything for the overall story. Most of my favorite films don't have CGI.

          For the record. The greatest TV personality in the world...Max Headroom wasn't CGI. If Max don't need it, no one needs it.
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            17 years, 8 months ago
            Use what works best.
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              Video_Jukebox
              1068 Posts
              17 years, 8 months ago
              I think I posted this on another thread, but . . . I'm of the belief that CGI is at its best when you don't even know it's there. That applies to most special effects, really-- any movie that makes you say "How'd they do that?" is a movie with good special effects-- but it applies to CGI the most as movie makers really overuse it these days.
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                Sunriser
                3802 Posts
                17 years, 8 months ago
                Same as everyone else- it's good sparingly, yadda yadda.

                I saw part of SW episode II and that's when Lucas starting to really lay the CGI on thick. I think he still used some puppetry for episode I. Oh man, some scenes were just terrible. Eye-hurting.

                But I was surprised to learn how much CGI was in Titanic (more than you'd think)... And it was good... overhead shots of people on the ship were completely computer animated. I couldn't tell. At least not at the time.
                  System
                  79987 Posts
                  17 years, 8 months ago
                  Sunriser
                  Same as everyone else- it's good sparingly, yadda yadda.

                  I saw part of SW episode II and that's when Lucas starting to really lay the CGI on thick. I think he still used some puppetry for episode I. Oh man, some scenes were just terrible. Eye-hurting.

                  But I was surprised to learn how much CGI was in Titanic (more than you'd think)... And it was good... overhead shots of people on the ship were completely computer animated. I couldn't tell. At least not at the time.


                  Episode II was the worst of all the SW movies IMO, However the best effect of them all was Frank Oz's puppertry in The Empire Strikes Back, Everytime I see that movie I never ONCE think that's just a puppet.
                    flamepanther
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                    17 years, 8 months ago
                    Reaper
                    Everytime I see that movie I never ONCE think that's just a puppet.
                    I do. I guess I'm jaded.
                      System
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                      17 years, 8 months ago
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                      Reaper
                      Everytime I see that movie I never ONCE think that's just a puppet.
                      I do. I guess I'm jaded.


                      Well, Its funny because it IS really noticcable when he's a puppet in Episode I and Return of The Jedi but I never notice it in Empire.
                        17 years, 8 months ago
                        Pirates of the carribean DMC had some amazing cgi in it...i agree in not overuse it..and only to use it when it is necessary..some scenes in blade II looked absolutely re-dic...but in POTC DMC davey jones and his crew...looked incredible to me
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                          mr3urious
                          3356 Posts
                          17 years, 8 months ago
                          In the old SW movies and the first two trilogies of Star Trek, I really thought the ships were flying through space. The newer SW movies have good CGI during the flight scenes, but every other CGI scene looks fake. And CGI should NEVER be used in horror movies where it could easily be done with puppets, animatronics, prosthetics, etc... !


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                            MrMatt
                            52 Posts
                            17 years, 8 months ago
                            I ran into some recent films that used old special effects.

                            THE LOSE SKELETON OF CADAVRA (2001)
                            MONSTER OF PHANTOM LAKE (2006)
                            CALL OF THE CTHULU (2005)
                            THE HAW RIDGE DEVIL (2006)
                            FROGGG (2004)
                            STOMP SHOUT SCREAM (2005)
                            FRANKENSTEIN AND THE CREATURE FROM BLOOD COVE

                            The films were made in recent years but they used old special effects that were used in the 50's and 60's (e.g. stop-motion, puppets and rubber costumes).

                            Trey Parker and Matt Stone annouced they are going to make a film called GIANT MONSTERS ATTACK JAPAN which is due out in 2007. It will use special effects used in the Godzilla-type movies.
                              flamepanther
                              948 Posts
                              17 years, 8 months ago
                              Stop-motion effects are one case where I think CGI is nearly always a better alternative.
                                takineko
                                3931 Posts
                                17 years, 8 months ago
                                I used to want to be a stop motion film maker so badly. I used to build armatures. They sucked of course, but it was fun..
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                                  System
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                                  17 years, 8 months ago
                                  mr3urious
                                  In the old SW movies and the first two trilogies of Star Trek, I really thought the ships were flying through space. The newer SW movies have good CGI during the flight scenes, but every other CGI scene looks fake. And CGI should NEVER be used in horror movies where it could easily be done with uppets, animatronics, prosthetics, etc... !


                                  EXACTLY!
                                    System
                                    79987 Posts
                                    17 years, 8 months ago
                                    CGI is great for some things but, it looks too much like a video game the way some of these special effects done. its not cool and it dosnt look real. keep it real and balenced with models and props.

                                    the wizard of oz was flawless with its huge sets and life sized props and backdrops , imagine how bad they would EFF it up with CGI effects blown way over the top.......the damn movie would look like a cartoon/video game kinda like what they did to starwars and willy wonka. However, they did a great job with the king kong remake. king kong and jurassic park are two good examples of how it should be done.
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                                      mr3urious
                                      3356 Posts
                                      17 years, 7 months ago
                                      flamepanther
                                      Stop-motion effects are one case where I think CGI is nearly always a better alternative.


                                      Unless it's done in a comedic fashion, like Matt Stone and Trey Parker's film Giant Monsters Attack Japan (2007)!


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                                        17 years, 7 months ago
                                        CGI may have revolutionized the movie industry when it comes to big blockbuster films in which CGI is absolutely necessary. But on another note, it has made many movie makers lazy by adding CG fx in every scene where it could easily look 3x better done using traditional methods, movies that depend completely on CGI and in my personal opinion are garbage (LOTR, Harry Potter), and last but definately not least it destroyed traditional animation. Instead of seeing beautiful hand-drawn films from Disney now, we see computer-animated farting animals.
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