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Megagents
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13 years, 7 months ago
5 Things 80's and 90's TV Nostalgics Don't Know - A guide for 80's and 90's TV nostalgics

Hi guys, sometimes when I come here I try to educate people on why they shouldn't complain so much about how TV is today. Most of my comments either offend people or are ignored. So I created a website that lists 5 simple reason why you guys sound so ridiculous. You're free to try and prove me wrong but we all know that there's not a single person here (other than me) who can actually justify the complaints you guys make.

http://www.geocities.com/nostalgicsdontknow/index.html
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    NickRules
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    13 years, 7 months ago
    4) Old shows are not better than new shows. The only reason older shows seem better than new shows is because nostalgics grew up with those shows. It's all a matter of opinion. Just because you like a show better than another doesn't make that a fact. Nostalgics need to stop saying that kids today are missing out and that their shows suck, it is simply false. Thankfully some nostalgics admit that some of the old shows they used to watch aren't as entertaining anymore. That's because they've grown and their taste have changed and in most cases, their taste have matured.


    I disagree! I think back then more time and thought were put into making tv shows. And all the shows I liked back when I was little, I can still definitely watch them today.
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      eddstarr88
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      13 years, 7 months ago
      Very interesting reading. Your site reveals what I like most about you Megagents. Clear, well reasoned, level-headed thinking which I noticed about you a while ago. I'm not sure if I disagree with you, but where cartoons are concerned I've been lucky to see toons of all sorts plus something special; parents that loved cartoons as much as me!

      Until I joined Retro Junk, I never appreciated how much my parents added to my "toon watching" experience. With their laughter, comments and criticisms I was made aware of storytelling qualties beyond my years that would not have made an impression on me otherwise.

      And that's where we part company Megagents. Storytelling, STORYTELLING! This most ancient form of human communication. This is the skill that seems to evaporate as each decade passes. And nowhere does this fading skill make its absence felt as strongly as kids television entertainment.

      All the Cray Supercomputers on earth and the entire Defence Intelligence Agency can't help your cartoon if you Can't Tell a Story!

      Every TV show starts with a well crafted story. If not, then you're wasting everyones time and money.

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        fit_n_fun
        766 Posts
        13 years, 7 months ago
        Well-said Megagents. Seems like we bash the cartoons on the airwaves today as cheap, shallow, lackluster in terms of quality of plot, character development, etc., and as simple marketing vehicles. Well, the shows we grew up with were essentially the same marketing juggernauts as many of today's cartoons are as well. The thing is, now, we're all old enough to recognize that! RetroJunk to me is a place where we can relive and share memories of our childhood and enjoy them!
          cowandchicken
          643 Posts
          13 years, 7 months ago
          I agree that new shows aren't bad, but I would never agree that some of the shows I watched as a kid weren't as great as I thought they were back then. I like the same things I've liked since the 90s just as much now.

          I just don't watch the new shows because I'm still watching my old shows instead.

          I also don't see why we need petitions if Boomerang, DVD sets, and youtube exist.
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            Maklu_IV
            747 Posts
            13 years, 7 months ago
            eddstarr88
            And that's where we part company Megagents. Storytelling, STORYTELLING! This most ancient form of human communication. This is the skill that seems to evaporate as each decade passes. And nowhere does this fading skill make its absence felt as strongly as kids television entertainment.

            All the Cray Supercomputers on earth and the entire Defence Intelligence Agency can't help your cartoon if you Can't Tell a Story!

            Every TV show starts with a well crafted story. If not, then you're wasting everyones time and money.


            I agree. Looking back to the shows of yesteryear, it seems like they were thought out a bit better than the ones you can see today. For example, I can watch the Beetlejuice cartoon and love every minute of it, whereas I see Bill & Mandy and just roll my eyes. Both shows have Hellish undertones and wild creatures and adventures in the spooky realm of the dead, but when you compare the two, Beetlejuice was clearly better in writing and content.


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              liukangx
              3907 Posts
              13 years, 7 months ago
              even shows aimed toward me I find so fucking stupid, like every reality show put on air.

              anything on CW.

              but shows direct at my age from years ago, I find quite entertaining, and well thought out,


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                80skidAK
                701 Posts
                13 years, 7 months ago
                Megagents
                5 Things 80's and 90's TV Nostalgics Don't Know - A guide for 80's and 90's TV nostalgics

                Hi guys, sometimes when I come here I try to educate people on why they shouldn't complain so much about how TV is today. Most of my comments either offend people or are ignored. So I created a website that lists 5 simple reason why you guys sound so ridiculous. You're free to try and prove me wrong but we all know that there's not a single person here (other than me) who can actually justify the complaints you guys make.

                http://www.geocities.com/nostalgicsdontknow/index.html


                As someone who considers himself an 80s nostalgic, I agree with what you say here. It's one thing to be nostalgic and reflect on the stuff you enjoyed way back when, or even buying DVDs or other things to re-ignite that nostalgia, it's another thing to confuse nostalgia with quality.

                And I hate the "all TV sucks now" and "all TV is reality shows" arguments. First of all, there can be good reality shows (I enjoy Top Chef, myself)

                Secondly, look at some of the innovative stuff that's come out in the last several years- The Sopranos, Entourage, Weeds, House, The Office, Scrubs, The Shield, Rescue Me, Nip/Tuck, Curb Your Enthusiasm, The Wire, Deadwood- I could keep going on but don't want to bore you with a ridiculously long list.

                I think there's a lot less middle ground fluff- you know, typical sitcoms or 1 hour dramedies, and more crap, but also more great stuff that you couldn't have done 10, 20, 30 years ago. The last several weeks I've gotten into two shows. One of them is the new Battlestar Galactica, which took a Star Wars knock-off and turned it into one of the most compelling and thought provoking dramas I've seen in a long time. The other is Dexter, the Showtime series about the serial killer who happens to only target killers who can't be caught by the police or the court system and works by day as a forensic scientist.

                Neither of these shows could have happened when I was growing up, for various reasons.
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                  Sunni
                  428 Posts
                  13 years, 7 months ago
                  No offense, but your site just seems like counterwhining, sorry to say. It's just as bad as the initial whining. And for the record, animation and comedy are my favorites so I still like my old faves and none of those reality shows appeal to me at all. There's not a lot on television that appeals to me other than good looking animation, fresh original comedy, and educational shows. Maybe I miss the days of pre-CGI animation, but I'm not about to start a petition or whine and carry-on about the channels. I simply don't watch them and just watch the reruns they sometimes air once in a while. Please stop stereotyping every person who enjoys a few old cartoons just because of a few people who act like fanatics over it. It just makes you look bad and it's starting to get old fast. Seriously.
                  Recipe for nostalgia: Mix 80's and 90's culture. Stir in some good memories. Add a dash of reflection. Mixture should now taste bittersweet. Shake well and enjoy!
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                    PirateNinja6
                    2472 Posts
                    13 years, 7 months ago
                    I sense hypocrisy Megagents, I would hope it wouldn't be coming from you. :roll:
                      mlw1984
                      1435 Posts
                      13 years, 6 months ago
                      I think all of the "TV sucks now" stuff is pretty much cliched by this point.

                      You forgot to mention that not all of the shows from the past were great but I believe that's up to personal taste.
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                        SwingOnThis
                        221 Posts
                        13 years, 6 months ago
                        There are good shows out now, but once the reality shows started taking over tv has gone down hill.
                          gustogummi
                          2602 Posts
                          13 years, 6 months ago
                          Nice site, bud.
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                            shiroihikari
                            1751 Posts
                            13 years, 6 months ago
                            I will agree with you on two points:

                            - Being old does not automatically mean it's better
                            - Petitions don't work

                            There are plenty of 80s cartoons that are pieces of crap. I do think that cartoons in the 90s were a bit better, but they weren't ALL good.

                            I don't like today's cartoons for the most part, but I'm 25 years old so I can't expect them to cater to me. They do seem to be lacking something vital, though.

                            As for TV...I can't really talk about that TOO much because I don't have cable and haven't for a few years. (I only watch TV at other people's houses.) I hate the idea of reality TV and how it seems to dominate, but there are other good shows on the air. I just don't think they're good enough to pay 60 dollars a month for. XD
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                              MAL_REYNOLDS
                              88 Posts
                              13 years, 6 months ago
                              I think there is only a handful of shows I watch on tv that aren't WWE. Smallville and Supernatural then the summer USA nework lineup of 4400, burn notice, psyche, and dead zone. I loved Sliders back in the day. And would watch every Star Trek and the obvious Firefly. While I can't stand the new Transformers cartoon, to tell the truth the original show wasn't that good as much as I love it. The characters are great like all 80's cartoons but the plot is short. The 80's cartoons were commercials to sell toys. I believe the Justice League is one of the most well written cartoons and well drawn I've ever seen. I loved the Batman form foxkids 90's and this was the successor. I grow tired of all the reality shows too. But really I never spend more than those few times watching tv. I'm a dvd man and watch alot of retro things and new movies.
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                                Hiro
                                248 Posts
                                13 years, 6 months ago
                                THANK YOU, Megagents! I've been waiting for something like this for a long time. I'm sick of people complaining about TV today. If you don't like the shows on today, shut up, stop whining and don't watch them. Make your own shows and see if you can do better.

                                As for the kids networks, you are out of the target audience of these networks. I don't even know you all are continually bitching about how much these networks aren't catering to you. Stop complaining about these networks and let the kids of today enjoy the stuff on there now.

                                All of you who think cartoons from the 80s are all so good haven't watched them since you was a kid. Go on YouTube and find some episodes of some 80s cartoons and rewatch them and see what do you think of them AS AN ADULT. There were plenties of crappy cartoons back then and not every new cartoon is bad.

                                I agree with what you said on #5, if you are not going to give new shows a chance, don't bash them.
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                                  Maklu_IV
                                  747 Posts
                                  13 years, 6 months ago
                                  Hiro
                                  All of you who think cartoons from the 80s are all so good haven't watched them since you was a kid. Go on YouTube and find some episodes of some 80s cartoons and rewatch them and see what do you think of them AS AN ADULT. There were plenties of crappy cartoons back then and not every new cartoon is bad.


                                  Yep, us old fogies are sure losing our memories. :roll:

                                  Lemme get on this dang-blasted com-pyoo-ter and check this YouTube site... Oh, look at that. These are the same cartoons I watched as a boy. These are also the same cartoons I can get on DVD at any old department store. Boy, howdy, I sure do love this new-fangled technology. It tells me stuff I already know and offers me most of the stuff I already have.


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                                    Sunni
                                    428 Posts
                                    13 years, 6 months ago
                                    Hiro
                                    All of you who think cartoons from the 80s are all so good haven't watched them since you was a kid. Go on YouTube and find some episodes of some 80s cartoons and rewatch them and see what do you think of them AS AN ADULT. There were plenties of crappy cartoons back then and not every new cartoon is bad.



                                    I've actually done that without letting nostalgia cloud my vision and I must say that I still find all the old shows just as good. They actually teach kids something besides how to scream spanish at the top of their lungs in grocery stores, which is what I saw today. And no the girl was not spanish. She was just doing it to be annoying. I think children's TV shouldn't try to replace things that are supposed to be learned in school. They should be entertaining with good morals, but not overly preachy. I think they should also be fun to look at and not like some cheap video game so that they stimulate the imagination. I don't know how you or anyone else can say that children's television has not gone downhill with all the scandals there have been lately. Shouldn't that be sending up a red flag? I know it does for me and I also know that I'm only getting basic cable in the near future so my kids won't be as exposed to that sort of crap.
                                    Recipe for nostalgia: Mix 80's and 90's culture. Stir in some good memories. Add a dash of reflection. Mixture should now taste bittersweet. Shake well and enjoy!
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                                      shiroihikari
                                      1751 Posts
                                      13 years, 6 months ago
                                      Or you could just not get cable at all. XD If it's in the house, they'll probably get exposed to it. I like to buy DVDs for my future kids (well, for myself, too). It's cheaper and at least then I can have some actual control over what they see.
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                                        Hiro
                                        248 Posts
                                        13 years, 6 months ago
                                        Sunni
                                        Hiro
                                        All of you who think cartoons from the 80s are all so good haven't watched them since you was a kid. Go on YouTube and find some episodes of some 80s cartoons and rewatch them and see what do you think of them AS AN ADULT. There were plenties of crappy cartoons back then and not every new cartoon is bad.



                                        I've actually done that without letting nostalgia cloud my vision and I must say that I still find all the old shows just as good. They actually teach kids something besides how to scream spanish at the top of their lungs in grocery stores, which is what I saw today. And no the girl was not spanish. She was just doing it to be annoying. I think children's TV shouldn't try to replace things that are supposed to be learned in school. They should be entertaining with good morals, but not overly preachy. I think they should also be fun to look at and not like some cheap video game so that they stimulate the imagination. I don't know how you or anyone else can say that children's television has not gone downhill with all the scandals there have been lately. Shouldn't that be sending up a red flag? I know it does for me and I also know that I'm only getting basic cable in the near future so my kids won't be as exposed to that sort of crap.


                                        The only thing that 80s cartoons taught me is a bunch of stuff that I have learned in school already. They shouldn't have to shove morals and stuff down your throat because I personally don't watch to watch a show that is going to teach me something that I can learn in school.

                                        One thing I enjoyed about some of those shows that was/is on PBS (i.e. Seasme Street, Electric Company etc) is that they taught you something AND they was fun to watch unlike most of those 80s cartoons.

                                        Most cartoons from that era (in my opinion) are pretty awful, even by 80s standards they were awful. Have you see the Mr. T cartoon? The Happy Days cartoon? Turbo Teen? and plenties of others. The 80s had more crappy cartoons than good stuff. Yes, there are crappy cartoons today as well, but most animation critics see the 80s as one of the dark eras of animation. You don't believe me, look it up on the internet. Most of these cartoons had worst animation than some of the stuff from the 70s and that's saying a lot! Constant animation errors like a character is a wrong color...geez don't they go back and check the glitches before they finalize the product? These cartoons were nothing more than crass commercialism to get parents to buy the toys for their kids. I'm sorry, but I think 80s cartoons are overrated. I personally enjoy cartoons from the 30s-50s, early 60s, 90s and today.

                                        Children's TV hasn't gone downhill, it's no different than what it was 10, 20, 30 years ago. YOU are the one that changed, not the kids shows.
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