Daniel_BMS
172 Posts
18 years, 1 month ago
Instead of just making it look like they have something important to say why not offer information kids may not already know. For example: Imagine He-Man preaching Playing to win
eep
735 Posts
18 years, 1 month ago
Daniel_BMS
Instead of just making it look like they have something important to say why not offer information kids may not already know. For example: Imagine He-Man preaching Playing to win
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sakket
100 Posts
18 years, 1 month ago
I was going to say Gantz has a good message.. but then again, its more of a social commentary.. and the good messages are really kind of hidden.. and it really isnt for kids.. and the message really shows up over the course of the series rather than the end of the episode..
you know what.. forget I mentioned Gantz.
you know what.. forget I mentioned Gantz.
Phoenix6
27 Posts
18 years, 1 month ago
Well I dunno...as a kid I hated tv shows that tried to preach to me...still do in fact. The last thing I would want is a tv program trying to teach my kids to behave a certain way. That is the parents job. The tv's job is to entertain the kids for an hour and let mommy have a breather after dinner.
As for that play to win...ehh....I read the article and I guess I would fit under the scrub that actually likes to play to have fun. I mean, isn't that what games are for?
As for that play to win...ehh....I read the article and I guess I would fit under the scrub that actually likes to play to have fun. I mean, isn't that what games are for?
Life lessons at the ends of cartoons would be good for today's kids. The kids today are so tuned out from the moral values that people lived with in yesteryear.
(Hordak Alpha))
Too much Myspace and 50 cent heh. But most kids today want to be like a certain cartoon character. They copy everything that character does. Unfortunately,some copy wrong things such as violence and being able to "fly". Its the parents' role to be able to let their child know whats right and whats wrong. Whats make-believe and whats real. When I was young, there were many cartoons and shows that displayed a life's lesson. Many about manners, violence, drugs, sex, pollution, talking to strangers, etc. I don't however see them anymore. I gotta look at Nick Jr and Cartoon Network and see what my cousins are watching :lol:
Jem83
63 Posts
18 years, 1 month ago
I agree that really it’s all down to parenting. Kids copying the violence and negative aspects of certain cartoons do so because their parents either let them or are so checked out of their kids’ lives that they don’t know what they’re doing at a given time. Both my parents worked full time and I never got away with anything, so I don’t think that busyness is an excuse either.
And as for 50cent, I know a 9 year old boy who loves rap and listens to the uncut versions of everything, including 50, and I’ve never heard him swear or be disrespectful to anyone (beyond the usual efforts to get out of chores and homework, but lets be honest he wouldn’t be healthy if he didn’t) . He knows what is appropriate and what is not at a given time and he’s a good smart kid…but I have to say his parents are amazing, so there you go.
And unfortunately I think any cartoon with a message obvious enough to reach most kids would quickly be labelled as completely lame and never watched again.
And as for 50cent, I know a 9 year old boy who loves rap and listens to the uncut versions of everything, including 50, and I’ve never heard him swear or be disrespectful to anyone (beyond the usual efforts to get out of chores and homework, but lets be honest he wouldn’t be healthy if he didn’t) . He knows what is appropriate and what is not at a given time and he’s a good smart kid…but I have to say his parents are amazing, so there you go.
And unfortunately I think any cartoon with a message obvious enough to reach most kids would quickly be labelled as completely lame and never watched again.
my cousin listens to rap and is a huge rebel. His younger brother who is 7 copies everything he sees and now hes cursing and wondering when he can do the things my cousin can do ( my cousin is 17). Thats why it's very important to monitor everything this child encounters because children like him can get into a lot of trouble. I don't want to get too personal here but my aunt is trying her hardest to tame my 17 year old cousin so he can set a better example for the little one. The younger one is pretty much a good/ sweet kid who loves candy heh but I'm afraid of when he grows older, what he'll get himself into because of his environment.
I never pay attention to messages in cartoons anyways.
ducktalesfan1977
I never pay attention to messages in cartoons anyways.
same here.
Daniel_BMS
172 Posts
18 years, 1 month ago
Phoenix6
As for that play to win...ehh....I read the article and I guess I would fit under the scrub that actually likes to play to have fun. I mean, isn't that what games are for?
Oddly enough compettive games don't have fun in thier design. Almost all competitive games don't reward doing something fun. Granted that most people play video games for the novelty of it, which is only interesting for a limited amount of time.
It's not just something that applies to winning in video games. Check out all these people essentially willingly passing a chance to make a million bucks http://www.sirlin.net/archive/playing-to-win-example-survivor/
Phoenix6
27 Posts
18 years, 1 month ago
"Oddly enough compettive games don't have fun in thier design. Almost all competitive games don't reward doing something fun. Granted that most people play video games for the novelty of it, which is only interesting for a limited amount of time."
Then a game simply becomes a job that you probably won't get paid to do. I already have a job, I don't need another one that may not pay me for my hard work. I play games to relax...and when a game becomes too much like work, I feel its time to move on. :)
Then a game simply becomes a job that you probably won't get paid to do. I already have a job, I don't need another one that may not pay me for my hard work. I play games to relax...and when a game becomes too much like work, I feel its time to move on. :)
I remember GI JOE doing minis during commercials on anti-smoking, drinking, drugs, etc. Remember . . . ? . . . "and knowing's half the battle!" And didn't they do the same thing with Inspector Gadget? "That's right Penny, never open the door if it's a stranger . . . "
Mighty Max anyone? It would give history and geography lessons of where Max went in the world each episode.
Mighty Max was most likely the last cartoon to have a message of learning in it. All of the cartoons of the 2000's lack that breaking the fourth wall stuff that was cool about the cartoons of the 80's and 90's.
(Hordak Alpha))
Ciara_Aislinn
380 Posts
18 years, 1 month ago
South Park always gives a good message at the end :wink:
"I've learned something today..."
"I've learned something today..."
Daniel_BMS
172 Posts
18 years, 1 month ago
Guybrush: Fair enough, but it's important to admit wether or not you had a chance of winning from the beginning. It's still important to be capable of figuring out how much you are willing to work for something. The rammificataions of playing to win aren't always emotionally affirming, but a lesson like this is something that really could have kept kids off drugs. Instead of handing out patronizing messages, why not act like kids are smart and tell them something you wish you had known when you were a kid.
And that is why the video game industry is going to crash.
Phoenix6
Then a game simply becomes a job that you probably won't get paid to do. I already have a job, I don't need another one that may not pay me for my hard work. I play games to relax...and when a game becomes too much like work, I feel its time to move on. :)
And that is why the video game industry is going to crash.
Daniel_BMS
172 Posts
18 years, 1 month ago
Guybrush
While kids are intelligent, we still have to be very clear with our message, otherwise kids might misunderstand, and end up like Ricky Bobby (Talladega Nights), thinking that winning is all that matters.
That's why kid's anime characters have multiple personalities with different approaches to civic virtues vs. competitive virtues. It doesn't beat morals into your head. That may be scarry to parents, but it's only a matter of time before they realize that moral questioning is natural and necessary part of development.
Guybrush
So yeah, I don't see why they couldn't do a better job than they did in the '80s with their simplistic moral comments. They did the job fine, but there's certainly room for improvement.
That's what I totally disagree about. I despise PSA because they just make drugs seam cool, bullying is cool, movies are better than books, sharing is for dorks, and other non ethics all due to the fact that public service messages are incredibly partronizing and socially unintelligent. And as far as I am concerned anything not involving social intelligence is doomed for failure.
Phoenix6
27 Posts
18 years, 1 month ago
You seem to forget sometimes that not everyones values are the same. Who would decide what values should be impressed upon children through tv? It is not a matter of how intelligent children are...but rather values need to come from parents.... not the television.
Jem83
63 Posts
18 years, 1 month ago
And we’ve come full circle back to the fact that good parenting is the only reliable way to teach kids good behaviour.
Kids today get bombarded with awareness programs, poster campaigns, special lectures in class, news/media coverage about fire safety, staying away from strangers, the dangers of drugs, racism/prejudice…basically all the main things we were taught about during GI Joe and the like. They don’t lack exposure to important messages. And kids today are a lot more street wise than most of us were at their age. They know why they shouldn’t talk to strangers but if their favourite cartoon told them not to they would most likely just roll their eyes and change the channel.
Parenting is the only way to go…
Kids today get bombarded with awareness programs, poster campaigns, special lectures in class, news/media coverage about fire safety, staying away from strangers, the dangers of drugs, racism/prejudice…basically all the main things we were taught about during GI Joe and the like. They don’t lack exposure to important messages. And kids today are a lot more street wise than most of us were at their age. They know why they shouldn’t talk to strangers but if their favourite cartoon told them not to they would most likely just roll their eyes and change the channel.
Parenting is the only way to go…