For the old school WWF fans or wrestling fans, what's your top four wrestlers in history list??Here's mine:
Top Four Wrestler's In History
1. The HeartBreak Kid Shawn Michaels - This is the one spot that's not argueible. If you don't have this man in your number 1 spot. You don't have a clue what your talking about. This isn't an opinion. He's the greatest of all time, ask anybody who knows what there talking about and he's in their top 2. But he always SHOULD be number 1.
2. Stone Cold Steve Austin - I've always had trouble picking between Shawn and Stone Cold for the number one spot. Actually I've always had trouble with, Flair,H,HBK and austin. Until I grew a little older and wiser. Stone Cold revoloutionised the business. Nobody ever seen an attitude like his, or just plain and natrul coolness and swave. The thing is he didn't even give a crap if it was cool or not, that's what made it so cool. I could say tones about Stone Cold, or all of these wrestlers but there's not enough room on this ment to be small thread.
3. The Nature boy Ric Flair - The First greatest. This is the guy who started it all. Hulk Hogan's got nothing on him! Hogan had the pose but didn't have the moves slic ric did, nor the promo or the charisma, or the brain. There's really no argument for this guy, everybody knows in the back of their mind he is the one and only. Like I said, it was very hard to pick the spots for the top 4 guys for me. The kiss stealin, wheelin dealin! Jet Flyin, Limosene Ridin! Stylin profilin! Dirtiest player in the game, son of gun, the 16 time world heavyweight champion, The Nature Boy, Slic, Ric Flair! WOOOOOOO!
4. The Cerebral Assasian, The Game, The 12 time world heavyweight champion, The King Of Kings Triple H! Bow Down!
Again it hurts me to put a king at number 4, its just so hard to pick. But if he's not in anyone's top 4 then that's just wrong. Bow Down to the king!
Top Four Wrestler's In History
1. The HeartBreak Kid Shawn Michaels - This is the one spot that's not argueible. If you don't have this man in your number 1 spot. You don't have a clue what your talking about. This isn't an opinion. He's the greatest of all time, ask anybody who knows what there talking about and he's in their top 2. But he always SHOULD be number 1.
2. Stone Cold Steve Austin - I've always had trouble picking between Shawn and Stone Cold for the number one spot. Actually I've always had trouble with, Flair,H,HBK and austin. Until I grew a little older and wiser. Stone Cold revoloutionised the business. Nobody ever seen an attitude like his, or just plain and natrul coolness and swave. The thing is he didn't even give a crap if it was cool or not, that's what made it so cool. I could say tones about Stone Cold, or all of these wrestlers but there's not enough room on this ment to be small thread.
3. The Nature boy Ric Flair - The First greatest. This is the guy who started it all. Hulk Hogan's got nothing on him! Hogan had the pose but didn't have the moves slic ric did, nor the promo or the charisma, or the brain. There's really no argument for this guy, everybody knows in the back of their mind he is the one and only. Like I said, it was very hard to pick the spots for the top 4 guys for me. The kiss stealin, wheelin dealin! Jet Flyin, Limosene Ridin! Stylin profilin! Dirtiest player in the game, son of gun, the 16 time world heavyweight champion, The Nature Boy, Slic, Ric Flair! WOOOOOOO!
4. The Cerebral Assasian, The Game, The 12 time world heavyweight champion, The King Of Kings Triple H! Bow Down!
Again it hurts me to put a king at number 4, its just so hard to pick. But if he's not in anyone's top 4 then that's just wrong. Bow Down to the king!
well then i guess ur gonna call me wrong, cause i dont have hhh in my top 4, although he probly makes mt top ten. i like the picks of flair and michaels a lot, but possibly the biggest omission from your list happens to be number one by a long shot on mine: Bret Hart. He not only is possibly the best technical wrestler of all time, but he carried the wwe through some tough years there in the 90s. so i suppose my top 4 looks like this:
1.bret hart
2 flair
3. michaels
4. Stone Cold
btw, i'm only going to include relatively modern era guys in this list, as that's what it seems like you did. if we open it up to all time periods, there were some great guys in the 80s wrestling wise who might bump someone from this list. but thats my top four based on those qualifications. definitely NO HHH for me.
1.bret hart
2 flair
3. michaels
4. Stone Cold
btw, i'm only going to include relatively modern era guys in this list, as that's what it seems like you did. if we open it up to all time periods, there were some great guys in the 80s wrestling wise who might bump someone from this list. but thats my top four based on those qualifications. definitely NO HHH for me.
Bret Hart was too much of a whiner for me. He always grunted at the fact that everybody wanted to move Shawn ahead of him. That's because he didn't understand the business, when somebodies better then you, you move them ahead. Bret was really good in the ring, techinical wise. But that's about it. But Shawn had it all, the high flying, technical, stand up against somebody big, unique, lucha-libre and every other style, not only that but he profected it all. Best promo skills of all time and the most charasmatic superstar of all time. Great in the ring, great out of the ring, great all around the damn ring. I'm from Canada, but you don't cheer somebody just because there from your country. I know there's the whole "hometown" issue but you cheer for the best and The greatest of all time hail's from San Antonio Texas. Nuff said.
I said the top in history and thats what i ment.
Retro1986
Bret Hart was too much of a whiner for me. He always grunted at the fact that everybody wanted to move Shawn ahead of him. That's because he didn't understand the business, when somebodies better then you, you move them ahead. Bret was really good in the ring, techinical wise. But that's about it.
Hart had some high-flying moves of his own, too. Just because he didn't use a moonsault like Shawn did doesn't mean he's less of a wrestler than Shawn. They were both evenly matched, as their Iron Man bout at Wrestlemania XII will show.
Bret was ready to pass the torch to Shawn, but Vince was being a prick. Bret DOES understand the business. He was ready to leave the WWF and go to WCW because of the fact that Vince wanted to target the younger talent with the new edge, with Michaels in the forefront. Bret knew his time in the WWF was over and planned to leave on a high note. Vince, on the other hand, got paranoid and treated Bret like shit.
Alot of Bret fans hate Shawn for it, but I don't. I know that Shawn didn't like the part he played in the '97 Survivor Series, but he did it because he was told to. Hell, Bret and Shawn are fine with it now; they don't harbor any ill will towards each other at all. It's the rift between Bret and Vince that's the problem. Both men, and Shawn, agreed to how the whole thing was going to pan out. Bret would win at Survivor Series, but lose to Shawn on Raw the next night, signaling his end in the WWF. But Vince was an asshole and chose the "screwjob" route.
As far as the topic at hand goes, I'm not listing my Top 4. I don't have a Top Four, since I have too many wrestlers to list. And I don't put them in order, either.
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"Just because he didn't use a moonsault like Shawn did doesn't mean he's less of a wrestler than Shawn." Yes it does, it means he has less moves ans styles. Shawn made it look like they were evenly matched at WM, thats what good wrestlers do, he didn't go to fast for him. "Bret was ready to pass the torch to Shawn, but Vince was being a prick." No actually Bret says exsactly the same thing as I said in his movie "I was always kind of hesitent and looked down on the fact that all of the sudden everybody wanted to push Shawn ahead" The reason he went to WCW was because he knew that WCW would push him and WWF had no plans to do so for quite some time because of the click they had. Once he got to WCW he was kicking himself in the ass because he realized WWF was the place to be and WCW used him like crap. Look I'm not saying he wasn't good, he was really good. Just wasn't as much of a total package like Shawn. You can argue the fact that he's on the same level with guy's like Flair, and H all you want because their gimmiks are basically the same. Technical. Even though Flair had 10 times the charisma. But he'll never be close to Shawn, which is why he was so bitter. and you can ask any of the top guys and thats what they'll tell you. Also, if you ask who's the top one or two, they don't say bret hart. Actually your bottom 3, have said it was either triple h or shawn. Actually back then, I would tend to disagree with the summerslam theory, i think Shawn didn't give a crap. He was so eager to get ahead he didn't have any problem at all with the role he played. He thinks differently today but back then i think he didn't feel bad at all. At the same time he was doing the right thing. Bret didn't want to do business so Shawn did business for him. No matter how much of a baby-face and popular with the fans guys he was. Bret didn't want to lose, and pretty much demanded that it was the best thing for him to beat shawn. Vince didn't really say anything so Bret thought he could just do whatever he wanted. Vince is the boss, I don't care what anybody else's opinion is. If the boss tells you something, you do it. It's his company, if you don't like it go home. It doesn't matter if "Bret planned to leave on a high note" Also, another statement that was false. Bret hates Shawn. Shawn tried to get over this whole thing with Bret tones of times and basicall Bret doesn't want to listen to anyone. Which I am totally sympathetic for because the guy really hasn't had the easiest of times, and is obviously still bitter. Which is ok.
Bret was hesitant because it went against the plans he and Vince hashed out. The only thing Bret didn't like about Shawn was the attitude he was showing to the fans. He didn't care for that adult-rated stuff. It was nothing against his talents as a wrestler.
Despite what you think, Vince, Bret, and Shawn all agreed on how Bret's end in the company would come to fruition. Vince simply got paranoid and jumped the gun. It's his business, but he was being a poor businessman. Shawn did give a crap about the outcome. Did you see him walking up the ramp at the end of the match? He was cursing and huffing as he left the arena. That wasn't a show of anger against Bret, or of humiliation of his character, it was a display of disappointment because things didn't go right. Sure, he said that he would do it again if he had to, but that doesn't mean he'd like it or not care.
And yes, Bret and Shawn were at lagerheads for years afterward, but that animosity is gone now. The tension between Vince and Bret, however, is still there, though not as strong as it once was.
Despite what you think, Vince, Bret, and Shawn all agreed on how Bret's end in the company would come to fruition. Vince simply got paranoid and jumped the gun. It's his business, but he was being a poor businessman. Shawn did give a crap about the outcome. Did you see him walking up the ramp at the end of the match? He was cursing and huffing as he left the arena. That wasn't a show of anger against Bret, or of humiliation of his character, it was a display of disappointment because things didn't go right. Sure, he said that he would do it again if he had to, but that doesn't mean he'd like it or not care.
And yes, Bret and Shawn were at lagerheads for years afterward, but that animosity is gone now. The tension between Vince and Bret, however, is still there, though not as strong as it once was.
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Maklu_IV
Bret was hesitant because it went against the plans he and Vince hashed out. The only thing Bret didn't like about Shawn was the attitude he was showing to the fans. He didn't care for that adult-rated stuff. It was nothing against his talents as a wrestler.
Despite what you think, Vince, Bret, and Shawn all agreed on how Bret's end in the company would come to fruition. Vince simply got paranoid and jumped the gun. It's his business, but he was being a poor businessman. Shawn did give a crap about the outcome. Did you see him walking up the ramp at the end of the match? He was cursing and huffing as he left the arena. That wasn't a show of anger against Bret, or of humiliation of his character, it was a display of disappointment because things didn't go right. Sure, he said that he would do it again if he had to, but that doesn't mean he'd like it or not care.
And yes, Bret and Shawn were at lagerheads for years afterward, but that animosity is gone now. The tension between Vince and Bret, however, is still there, though not as strong as it once was.
"Bret was hesitant because it went against the plans he and Vince hashed out" Well that's too bad. I still don't think it's true though. All Bret ever talks about is how he never though Shawn should have been ahead of him. "He didn't care for that adult-rated stuff. It was nothing against his talents as a wrestler" Or maybe because Bret didn't have anything to show. Who cares if he didn't like it. It's called charisma, the most charasmatic superstar in history. You have to have that cockiness to be a big star. Austin has it, flair had it, h had it, shawn had it more then anyone. but it was entertaining. And well despite what YOU think, it's not what i think, those are the facts. Everybody knows em, bret even said it, i don't know where your getting any of this info your making up in your head. They wanted Shawn to win, Bret wanted Bret to win and thought he could screw them in the first place. Too bad for you if he was being a poor business man. He owns the business he can run it however he likes. It's Vince's fault Bret ever got as much exposure as he did. He should thank him if nothing else. The animosty is still there. There are tones of sources that say shawn wants to mend the fence with bret but bret won't hear it. No, as Shawn was going up the ramp he was acting like he knew nothing about it which is what Vince told him to do. You see Shawn follows the business rules. Bret didn't and he got what he desearved. The Montreal ScrewJob having nothing to do with any of this, i'm just thinking you switched subjects for a reason. lol, so i'm done here now. ttyl dude.
Here, let me try.
Bruno Sammartino. This man is the greatest professional wrestler of all time.
Mr. Sammartino was World Heavyweight Champion longer than anyone else I know.
His championship battle loss to Ivan Koloff in 1970 was so stunning that all the wrestling magazines of the time had cover stories about it.
Even today Bruno Sammartino is a fan favorite and he can still draw a crowd where ever he goes.
Bruno Sammartino. This man is the greatest professional wrestler of all time.
Mr. Sammartino was World Heavyweight Champion longer than anyone else I know.
His championship battle loss to Ivan Koloff in 1970 was so stunning that all the wrestling magazines of the time had cover stories about it.
Even today Bruno Sammartino is a fan favorite and he can still draw a crowd where ever he goes.
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Here, let me try.
Bruno Sammartino. This man is the greatest professional wrestler of all time.
Mr. Sammartino was World Heavyweight Champion longer than anyone else I know.
His championship battle loss to Ivan Koloff in 1970 was so stunning that all the wrestling magazines of the time had cover stories about it.
Even today Bruno Sammartino is a fan favorite and he can still draw a crowd where ever he goes.
Bruno Sammartino. This man is the greatest professional wrestler of all time.
Mr. Sammartino was World Heavyweight Champion longer than anyone else I know.
His championship battle loss to Ivan Koloff in 1970 was so stunning that all the wrestling magazines of the time had cover stories about it.
Even today Bruno Sammartino is a fan favorite and he can still draw a crowd where ever he goes.
Here let me try "Mr. Sammartino was World Heavyweight Champion longer than anyone else I know." Doesn't mean shit to keep a belt because wrestling is staged. The only thing that matters is how you entertain the fans along the way.
Retro1986
Maklu_IVBret was hesitant because it went against the plans he and Vince hashed out. The only thing Bret didn't like about Shawn was the attitude he was showing to the fans. He didn't care for that adult-rated stuff. It was nothing against his talents as a wrestler.
Despite what you think, Vince, Bret, and Shawn all agreed on how Bret's end in the company would come to fruition. Vince simply got paranoid and jumped the gun. It's his business, but he was being a poor businessman. Shawn did give a crap about the outcome. Did you see him walking up the ramp at the end of the match? He was cursing and huffing as he left the arena. That wasn't a show of anger against Bret, or of humiliation of his character, it was a display of disappointment because things didn't go right. Sure, he said that he would do it again if he had to, but that doesn't mean he'd like it or not care.
And yes, Bret and Shawn were at lagerheads for years afterward, but that animosity is gone now. The tension between Vince and Bret, however, is still there, though not as strong as it once was.
"Bret was hesitant because it went against the plans he and Vince hashed out" Well that's too bad. I still don't think it's true though. All Bret ever talks about is how he never though Shawn should have been ahead of him. "He didn't care for that adult-rated stuff. It was nothing against his talents as a wrestler" Or maybe because Bret didn't have anything to show. Who cares if he didn't like it. It's called charisma, the most charasmatic superstar in history. You have to have that cockiness to be a big star. Austin has it, flair had it, h had it, shawn had it more then anyone. but it was entertaining. And well despite what YOU think, it's not what i think, those are the facts. Everybody knows em, bret even said it, i don't know where your getting any of this info your making up in your head. They wanted Shawn to win, Bret wanted Bret to win and thought he could screw them in the first place. Too bad for you if he was being a poor business man. He owns the business he can run it however he likes. It's Vince's fault Bret ever got as much exposure as he did. He should thank him if nothing else. The animosty is still there. There are tones of sources that say shawn wants to mend the fence with bret but bret won't hear it. No, as Shawn was going up the ramp he was acting like he knew nothing about it which is what Vince told him to do. You see Shawn follows the business rules. Bret didn't and he got what he desearved. The Montreal ScrewJob having nothing to do with any of this, i'm just thinking you switched subjects for a reason. lol, so i'm done here now. ttyl dude.
Jesus Christ. I switched subjects? You were the one who brought up the Bret/Shawn shit. I'm a Bret fan, but I'm also a Shawn fan. There's two sides to every story, and you're just bringing up Shawn's because of your blind devotion to him. I'm showing Bret's view to give you some perspective, but I see that you're too damn stubborn and ignorant. The fact was that Bret, Shawn, and Vince all agreed that Bret would beat Shawn at Survivor Series in Calgary, then lose the belt to him on Raw the next night and end his WWF career. THAT'S A FACT. Shawn already mended fences with Bret, but not the fans. THAT IS ALSO A FACT. Get your head out of Shawn Michaels' ass. It's rabid fanboys like you that ruin things for everyone.
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Retro1986
The only thing that matters is how you entertain the fans along the way.
Hear that, edd? All those cheers Samartino got weren't real, apparently.
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Maklu_IV
Retro1986The only thing that matters is how you entertain the fans along the way.
Hear that, edd? All those cheers Samartino got weren't real, apparently.
Yeah, guess I'm off base, again. Fans rule! I'll shut up now.
"Jesus Christ. I switched subjects?" Yeah, I was busy proving how much better HBK was then Hart. Montreal has nothing to do with it.
"The fact was that Bret, Shawn, and Vince all agreed that Bret would beat Shawn at Survivor Series in Calgary, then lose the belt to him on Raw the next night and end his WWF career." Even Bret not just Shawn and Vince and Hunter and everyone else said will tell you this fact, so don't try to make up your own little story because bret hart is your fav wrestler. I said "top ten greatest" not "top ten favs" and that fact is that, Bret wanted to win at Survivor Series and then go to Raw the next night when he was NO LONGER under contract and just hand the belt over and say "oh i don't want to work here anymore because i beat everyone" Which is stupid. But Vince said no, your going to drop the belt to Shawn, Bret didn't want to so they made him, which is exsactly what should have happened. And no, Shawn tried to mend the fence with Shawn and Bret won't hear it, don't beleave me go watch some tapes. and do your homework noob. Now go away.
"The fact was that Bret, Shawn, and Vince all agreed that Bret would beat Shawn at Survivor Series in Calgary, then lose the belt to him on Raw the next night and end his WWF career." Even Bret not just Shawn and Vince and Hunter and everyone else said will tell you this fact, so don't try to make up your own little story because bret hart is your fav wrestler. I said "top ten greatest" not "top ten favs" and that fact is that, Bret wanted to win at Survivor Series and then go to Raw the next night when he was NO LONGER under contract and just hand the belt over and say "oh i don't want to work here anymore because i beat everyone" Which is stupid. But Vince said no, your going to drop the belt to Shawn, Bret didn't want to so they made him, which is exsactly what should have happened. And no, Shawn tried to mend the fence with Shawn and Bret won't hear it, don't beleave me go watch some tapes. and do your homework noob. Now go away.
Seston
its fukin fake w/ people taking steriods.
Yeah nobody in basball ever took steroids. Idiot. The only thing is, when wrestlers do it, its because they want to entertain people. When baseball players do it, their cheating.
"It's fake" NO!? Really?! When did you ever find that out!? I had no clue!
Your an idiot. It's entertainment loser. The same reason why you watch baseball, simply for entertainment, but not for the sport because all you can ever do is sit on your fat doughy ass on your couch smelly boy, but you'll never play. If wrestling is stupid well then I guess your a major idiot for watching movies, tv(like you do all day friendless loser) or any other kind of entertainment.
WHO AGREE's WITH ME!?
"Hear that, edd? All those cheers Samartino got weren't real, apparently."
Did I say that no, even John Cena can get cheers. Doesn't make him good in the ring and i never said Bruno wasn't. He just was never a Stone Cold, Ric Flair or Shawn Michaels, nobody could entertain as much as those guys ever did.
Did I say that no, even John Cena can get cheers. Doesn't make him good in the ring and i never said Bruno wasn't. He just was never a Stone Cold, Ric Flair or Shawn Michaels, nobody could entertain as much as those guys ever did.
You said Top Four, genius. And Bret Hart isn't my favorite wrestler.
Anyway, I'm not going to waste my time arguing this bullshit with you. I've already proven my point and have a better understanding of you like the other members who have butted heads with you here in other threads. I know what really happened and am not taken in by propaganda or blind fanaticism on either party. That's all I'm going to say.
Now, to Sammartino. You said holding a belt for a long time doesn't matter unless you entertain the fans along the way. Well, when fans cheer, I'd say that they were fucking entertained. Sammartino was a huge draw in his heyday, ergo he was entertaining for the time. Don't believe me? Go watch some tapes and do your homework noob. Now go away.
Anyway, I'm not going to waste my time arguing this bullshit with you. I've already proven my point and have a better understanding of you like the other members who have butted heads with you here in other threads. I know what really happened and am not taken in by propaganda or blind fanaticism on either party. That's all I'm going to say.
Now, to Sammartino. You said holding a belt for a long time doesn't matter unless you entertain the fans along the way. Well, when fans cheer, I'd say that they were fucking entertained. Sammartino was a huge draw in his heyday, ergo he was entertaining for the time. Don't believe me? Go watch some tapes and do your homework noob. Now go away.
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Lets see here, my list goes something like this:
1. The undertaker
2. Bret the hitman heart
3. Shawn michaels
4. Stone cold steve austin
5. Kane
6. The nature boy ric flair whoooooo :P
7. Goldberg
8. Triple HHH
9. The big show
10. Macho man randy savage
11.Sting
12. British bulldog
13. Rick steiner
14. Big van vader
15. Sid vicious
16. Chris jerhico
17. Bam bam bigalow
18. Doink the clown
19. DDP
20. Ravishing rick rude
1. The undertaker
2. Bret the hitman heart
3. Shawn michaels
4. Stone cold steve austin
5. Kane
6. The nature boy ric flair whoooooo :P
7. Goldberg
8. Triple HHH
9. The big show
10. Macho man randy savage
11.Sting
12. British bulldog
13. Rick steiner
14. Big van vader
15. Sid vicious
16. Chris jerhico
17. Bam bam bigalow
18. Doink the clown
19. DDP
20. Ravishing rick rude