gaastra
473 Posts
17 years, 7 months ago
http://toolooney.blogspot.com/

Looks like it's waner brothers fault.

For those who don't want to click the link--

In regards to Jon's piece about the current state of classic Looney Tunes on TV (or lack thereof at this point), I'll have to give the Cartoon Network some credit. They may have murdered Bugs and the gang brutally by completely removing them from the airwaves, but for a while they did a great job handling the cartoons. The unfortunate situation they're in now is the fault of a change in management and focus of the channel, and Cartoon Network now is not to be confused with the great channel it used to be.

As I understand it, the real blame rests with Warner Bros. itself. Though they own the Cartoon Network, the contract to air all the Looney Tunes on one channel cost money. The parent company apparently charged the child company to air the post-1948 material. Though the Looney Tunes got great ratings, they were not free to air as exclusive properties like CN's originals or the Hanna-Barbera library, owned lock stock and barrel by Turner.

To understand the madness of this, a more-than-brief history lesson is in order. Originally a Turner company before the infamous mid-1990'S merger series between Warner, Turner and AOL, Turner's Cartoon Network only had access to a fraction of the Warner Bros. Cartoon library. TNT, TBS and all other Turner networks ran them as well, and even had them "remastered" in 1995, from the secondhand prints they owned and with help from some digital color enhancement. In the 1950's, Warner Bros. sold all of its color cartoons made before 1948 to a television distributor called Associated Artists Productions (A.A.P.). In addition to all of the pre-1948 color shorts, they also got most of the 1930's black and white Merrie Melodies. This package was syndicated to various local channels for years. When Ted Turner began his cable TV reign in the 80's, the Turner company eventually bought out the A.A.P. collection, which also held the rights to many classic WB and MGM live-action feature films, the Fleischer/Paramount Popeye cartoons, and numerous live action shorts. Turner gobbled up everything. In addition to A.A.P., they also made deals with MGM itself for many live action classics and their entire cartoon library, and with Hanna-Barbera for most of its TV animation.

All through the 1980s and early 1990s, the pre-1948 and post-1948 Warner cartoon libraries remained segregated. Turner and Warner both syndicated their holdings to local channels, but for the most part, the two packages remained seperate.

In the 90's, Warner issued cartoons to ABC, Nickelodeon, Fox, the WB, and anyone else willing to pay. Turner's package remained on the Turner cable channels after the syndication demand died down. That all changed when Warner and Turner merged, allowing the two packages of cartoons to air together on television for the first time ever. The biggest coup on the Warner end of the deal was access to the pre-48 cartoons, and since they still had the original negatives to those shorts, they once again owned the rights to use them. The benefit to Turner was access to the post-48 library. The only catch was contracts between Warner and other TV channels. A large portion of the post-48 TV rights were scattered between ABC, Fox and Nickelodeon. Nickelodeon helped finance a computer-colorization of the Warner-owned black and white cartoons, (Exept Bosko and Buddy, for some unknown reason) and ABC had been a prime promoter for ages, and those two networks eventually became the only outlets for the cartoons other than Cartoon Network (and the WB, who shared a package of post-48s dropped by Fox until an evil executive named James Kellner cancelled all classic animation on the WB).

If this isn't confusing enough already, keep reading. Around 2000, contracts between WB, ABC and Nickelodeon expired. The rights were immediately given to the Cartoon Network. For the first time ever, the TV rights to every classic cartoon Warner Bros. ever produced were owned by one network. This lead to numerous marathons, shows and promotions. It also lead to censorship, which fans lashed out against, myself included. The briefly-banned Speedy Gonzales was eventually returned, and from 2003-2004, CN ran virtually every Warner short fit for TV, and then some. Then, something went wrong. WB's price went up, a movie based on the LT franchise was released, and Cartoon Network, faced with an increased bill due to the movie, said "screw you." Thus, marathons such as "June Bugs" were cancelled, airings of the cartoons were relegated to spinoff channel Boomerang, and as of now, no TV channel shows Looney Tunes at all.
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    TMNT
    5203 Posts
    17 years, 7 months ago
    I love looney toons when i was a kid a still now.
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      shiroihikari
      1751 Posts
      17 years, 7 months ago
      Ugh. Here's a good example why corporations shouldn't have as much control as they do.

      Well, at least there's the DVDs.
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        17 years, 7 months ago
        Amazing how greed affects things. I enjoyed the Yosemite Sam clip. It was classic.
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          gaastra
          473 Posts
          17 years, 7 months ago
          For those who don't want to click the link--

          In regards to Jon's piece about the current state of classic Looney Tunes on TV (or lack thereof at this point), I'll have to give the Cartoon Network some credit. They may have murdered Bugs and the gang brutally by completely removing them from the airwaves, but for a while they did a great job handling the cartoons. The unfortunate situation they're in now is the fault of a change in management and focus of the channel, and Cartoon Network now is not to be confused with the great channel it used to be.

          As I understand it, the real blame rests with Warner Bros. itself. Though they own the Cartoon Network, the contract to air all the Looney Tunes on one channel cost money. The parent company apparently charged the child company to air the post-1948 material. Though the Looney Tunes got great ratings, they were not free to air as exclusive properties like CN's originals or the Hanna-Barbera library, owned lock stock and barrel by Turner.

          To understand the madness of this, a more-than-brief history lesson is in order. Originally a Turner company before the infamous mid-1990'S merger series between Warner, Turner and AOL, Turner's Cartoon Network only had access to a fraction of the Warner Bros. Cartoon library. TNT, TBS and all other Turner networks ran them as well, and even had them "remastered" in 1995, from the secondhand prints they owned and with help from some digital color enhancement. In the 1950's, Warner Bros. sold all of its color cartoons made before 1948 to a television distributor called Associated Artists Productions (A.A.P.). In addition to all of the pre-1948 color shorts, they also got most of the 1930's black and white Merrie Melodies. This package was syndicated to various local channels for years. When Ted Turner began his cable TV reign in the 80's, the Turner company eventually bought out the A.A.P. collection, which also held the rights to many classic WB and MGM live-action feature films, the Fleischer/Paramount Popeye cartoons, and numerous live action shorts. Turner gobbled up everything. In addition to A.A.P., they also made deals with MGM itself for many live action classics and their entire cartoon library, and with Hanna-Barbera for most of its TV animation.

          All through the 1980s and early 1990s, the pre-1948 and post-1948 Warner cartoon libraries remained segregated. Turner and Warner both syndicated their holdings to local channels, but for the most part, the two packages remained seperate.

          In the 90's, Warner issued cartoons to ABC, Nickelodeon, Fox, the WB, and anyone else willing to pay. Turner's package remained on the Turner cable channels after the syndication demand died down. That all changed when Warner and Turner merged, allowing the two packages of cartoons to air together on television for the first time ever. The biggest coup on the Warner end of the deal was access to the pre-48 cartoons, and since they still had the original negatives to those shorts, they once again owned the rights to use them. The benefit to Turner was access to the post-48 library. The only catch was contracts between Warner and other TV channels. A large portion of the post-48 TV rights were scattered between ABC, Fox and Nickelodeon. Nickelodeon helped finance a computer-colorization of the Warner-owned black and white cartoons, (Exept Bosko and Buddy, for some unknown reason) and ABC had been a prime promoter for ages, and those two networks eventually became the only outlets for the cartoons other than Cartoon Network (and the WB, who shared a package of post-48s dropped by Fox until an evil executive named James Kellner cancelled all classic animation on the WB).

          If this isn't confusing enough already, keep reading. Around 2000, contracts between WB, ABC and Nickelodeon expired. The rights were immediately given to the Cartoon Network. For the first time ever, the TV rights to every classic cartoon Warner Bros. ever produced were owned by one network. This lead to numerous marathons, shows and promotions. It also lead to censorship, which fans lashed out against, myself included. The briefly-banned Speedy Gonzales was eventually returned, and from 2003-2004, CN ran virtually every Warner short fit for TV, and then some. Then, something went wrong. WB's price went up, a movie based on the LT franchise was released, and Cartoon Network, faced with an increased bill due to the movie, said "screw you." Thus, marathons such as "June Bugs" were cancelled, airings of the cartoons were relegated to spinoff channel Boomerang, and as of now, no TV channel shows Looney Tunes at all.
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            518 Posts
            17 years, 7 months ago
            shiroihikari
            Ugh. Here's a good example why corporations shouldn't have as much control as they do.

            Well, at least there's the DVDs.


            Coporate synergy = BAD.

            I originally believed that Looney Tunes were Boomerang-exclusive to make more cha-ching by making people add Boomerang to their cable bill (DIRECTV has had Boomerang since the day it signed on). Sad to hear LT is entirely gone from TV.

            Of course, classic Disney cartoons have not aired on TV since 2002, when Donald Duck's Quack Attack left Toon Disney (it left Disney Channel two years earlier).
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              Silversword55
              369 Posts
              17 years, 7 months ago
              When I was a kid, I watched re-runs of the classic Looney Tunes catoons from the 30's-60's and loved it.
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                avaitor
                789 Posts
                17 years, 7 months ago
                God, what idoits.

                Who doesn't love the Looney Tunes?
                  gustogummi
                  2602 Posts
                  17 years, 7 months ago
                  I can't name anyone who doesn't, except soccer moms, maybe.
                    gustogummi
                    2602 Posts
                    17 years, 7 months ago
                    Yep, and the DVD sets are too expensive for me (49.99). Maybe someday, I'll own them. *sighs*
                      steveo
                      455 Posts
                      17 years, 7 months ago
                      I own 3 of the Looney Tunes DVD sets and can't wait to get the new one. I hope the new set has more of the Looney Tunes from the 50's which is my favorite Looney Tunes era. Don't get me wrong i also loved the 40's and early 60's cartoons but the 50's gave us some memorable classics.
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                        avaitor
                        789 Posts
                        17 years, 7 months ago
                        Maybe I'll buy a set when I get money.
                          Funky_Guy
                          2638 Posts
                          17 years, 7 months ago
                          That's the one thing that's put me off getting the Looney Tunes boxed sets, the lack of material from my favorite Looney Toons period, 1947 - 1960 which made up the bulk of the Bugs Bunny and Tweety Show I watched growing up.

                          In the mean time I do have the Bugs Bunny Truth or Hare video I picked up at Value Village, while short and missing many classics was only 2 dollars, concentrates on the late 40's/ 50's era and has my favorite Bugs Bunny cartoon, Water Water Every Hare.
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                            diskoboy
                            212 Posts
                            17 years, 7 months ago
                            avaitor
                            Who doesn't love the Looney Tunes?


                            I don't.

                            I was more of a Tom & Jerry kid.
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                              Luna2
                              384 Posts
                              17 years, 7 months ago
                              the WB sure is runing things into the ground loony toons were there poster characters and they found away to ruin ever last one of them and the batman series IS doing the same to those characters theres so much wrong with poison ivy now. first there was the golden age fallowed by tiny toons and animaniacs as the silver age will people look back 10 or 20 years from now and name it the bullcrap age or will people have forgeten all about the WB by then?
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                                avaitor
                                789 Posts
                                17 years, 7 months ago
                                diskoboy
                                I don't.

                                I was more of a Tom & Jerry kid.


                                Really. I love both, but the Tunes win everytime for me.
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                                  bigdawg8412
                                  734 Posts
                                  17 years, 7 months ago
                                  Wait, so Boomerang isn't showing Looney Tunes anymore?

                                  My neighbor has satellite and sometimes his provider would show Boomerang as a preview channel. I watched the channel several times when it was on and I recall seeing Looney Tunes playing on the channel.



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                                    avaitor
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                                    17 years, 7 months ago
                                    bigdawg8412
                                    Wait, so Boomerang isn't showing Looney Tunes anymore?

                                    My neighbor has satellite and sometimes his provider would show Boomerang as a preview channel. I watched the channel several times when it was on and I recall seeing Looney Tunes playing on the channel.


                                    It does , but apparentely only pre '48 Tunes.
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