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sikkbones
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17 years, 7 months ago
Raw this past Monday is destined to be one of the most talked about Raw’s ever. It’s taken a couple of days for everything to sink in for me. One thing that jumped out at me was Bret Hart’s appearance on the show.

Without much fanfare, Bret Hart made his return to WWE television. Sure he came back before for self-serving reasons to make sure his legacy wasn’t buried on DVD and for his entry into the WWE Hall of Fame, but on the surface, this appearance was much different.

Why did Bret come back? Why wasn’t his return hyped? In fact, when you think about it, all of the big names coming back in one night made each returning name seem less important, which is why it took me awhile to digest Hart’s appearance. His return to WWE television should have been a huge deal.

Bret’s promo, where he put the bad mouth on Mr. McMahon, was just another example of how everyone comes back to Vince McMahon and the WWE. It doesn’t matter how many times you hear a wrestler say he’ll never come back to the WWE because of a conflict with Vince McMahon, chances are they will reverse course sooner rather than later. I’d love to see for once that wrestlers save themselves the indignity of saying they are done with Vince McMahon for a number of year only to come running back.

Bret Hart is just the latest in a long line of wrestlers who have come back. Dusty Rhodes even mentioned it in his tribute to Mr. McMahon this past Monday night.

I’d like to ask Bret Hart why he filmed that segment. After Owen Hart’s death and Montreal, I would have had enough of the WWE and Vince McMahon if I were Bret. There is no answer right now as to why Bret Hart appeared on Raw, but if it had to do with once again saving his legacy or something else Vince McMahon promised or threatened, I don’t care.

Bret Hart got his DVD and his spot in the WWE, but I hope in this case, his legacy as a wrestler isn’t worth more to him than his dignity as a human being.
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    toonwatcher
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    17 years, 7 months ago
    I didn't think that it was that big a deal that Bret was at RAW. He and Vince had been talking for years to patch things up probably so he can go to the Hall of Fame but time does heal most wounds. It's not like he wrestled for Vince after he left the first time like everyone else.
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      Megagents
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      17 years, 7 months ago
      Why does Bret hate McMahon?

      (And no, i'm not trying to be funny)
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        99Centsplease
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        17 years, 7 months ago
        Megagents
        Why does Bret hate McMahon?

        (And no, i'm not trying to be funny)


        Two words: "Montreal Screwjob":

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_screwjob
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          17 years, 7 months ago
          99Centsplease
          Two words: "Montreal Screwjob":

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_screwjob


          So it was for real and not just another storyline?

          I find that hard to believe.
            Cdokes1
            1032 Posts
            17 years, 7 months ago
            I don't know if it's real or fake you never know with the WWE I'm surprised he came back. Just last year he said he wasn't coming back after he had a stroke. He's 43 yrs old and I personally think he has nothing to prove to no one not even his self. He's my favortie wrestler of all time and I loved watching him back in the day on WWF and WCW I want to remember him saying the best there is, the best there was , and the best there ever will be. And he could back it up then too.
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              Jesus_crysus
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              17 years, 7 months ago
              Megagents
              So it was for real and not just another storyline?

              I find that hard to believe.


              in that match bret was facing shawn michaels and shawn when for the pin but bret was mean to break out of the pin but vince decide to signal the ref to make shawn win which pissed off bret

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                regular_joe
                728 Posts
                17 years, 7 months ago
                Bret held the WWE Championship heading into the 1995(?) edition of a PPV called "Survivor Series" which was being held in Montreal. Bret wanted to opt out of his contract at the time. Bret and Vince had supposidly agreed on Bret winning the PPV match and then relingishing the campionship the next night on Raw. Near the end of the Match Shawn Michels put Bret in a version of Brets finishing move called the Sharpshooter. The plan was for Bret to break the hold and pin Shawn. Once Shawn had the hold locked on, Vince immediatly called for the timekeeper to ring the bell, there by ending the match, and awarding the Championship to Shawn Micheals.

                So it was a real deal involving a story line. Vince has a habit of breaking "promises"

                The entire Heart family was very upset with Vince for the way Owen hearts death was handeled by the Co. The Family didnt want alot of media at Owens funeral, and there was a few cameras there.

                " The last man nearly ruined this place/He didn't know what to do with it/If you think this countrys bad off now just what till I get through with it":D
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                  Celeste
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                  17 years, 7 months ago
                  99Centsplease
                  Two words: "Montreal Screwjob":

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_screwjob


                  It wasn't just that.

                  Bret and Owen's widow Martha believed, and still believe to this day, that Vince was responsible for Owen's death. They maintain that Vince knew that the stunt that caused his death was unsafe and that he didn't do anything to stop Owen from doing it. Owen was worried about the stunt because he has acrophobia, a fear of heights, and that somehow he knew that something would go wrong.

                  Martha Hart went on to file a wrongful death lawsuit against the WWF, now know as the WWE, and she won a huge cash settlement.

                  I don't think the feud is over between Bret and Vince. Not by a long shot.
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                    Megagents
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                    17 years, 6 months ago
                    Celeste
                    It wasn't just that.

                    Bret and Owen's widow Martha believed, and still believe to this day, that Vince was responsible for Owen's death. They maintain that Vince knew that the stunt that caused his death was unsafe and that he didn't do anything to stop Owen from doing it. Owen was worried about the stunt because he has acrophobia, a fear of heights, and that somehow he knew that something would go wrong.

                    Martha Hart went on to file a wrongful death lawsuit against the WWF, now know as the WWE, and she won a huge cash settlement.

                    I don't think the feud is over between Bret and Vince. Not by a long shot.


                    Not trying to sound mean but Owen could've just said, No I am not getting up there and he would've gotten fired or something which is much better than what happened. I'm sure nobody forced him up there.
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                      2865 Posts
                      17 years, 6 months ago
                      The man's gotta eat.
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                        Megagents
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                        17 years, 6 months ago
                        That's true.
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                          17 years, 6 months ago
                          Jesus_crysus
                          in that match bret was facing shawn michaels and shawn when for the pin but bret was mean to break out of the pin but vince decide to signal the ref to make shawn win which pissed off bret


                          During that match was that the First Every Iron men Match?
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                            Javiomar
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                            17 years, 6 months ago
                            regular_joe
                            Bret held the WWE Championship heading into the 1995(?) edition of a PPV called "Survivor Series" which was being held in Montreal.


                            Correction: Survivor Series '97. By that time DX was just starting its rise with Shawn, which he abruptly abandons after Stone Cold wins the WWE Championship at Wrestlemania.
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                              Celeste
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                              17 years, 6 months ago
                              Megagents
                              Not trying to sound mean but Owen could've just said, No I am not getting up there and he would've gotten fired or something which is much better than what happened. I'm sure nobody forced him up there.


                              Yes I realize that but in the end Vince is responsible for the health and well-being of his wrestlers.

                              Yes nobody forced Owen to perform such a stupid and dangerous stunt but at the same time where does Vince's responsibility end? What I don't understand is why Vince wasn't held criminally responsible for Owen's death?
                              Why was he only held monetarily responsible for Owen's death? Vince knew that the stunt that Owen was about to perform was too dangerous but did he stop Owen from doing it? No! Why? Supposedly it was for entertainment. To be quite frank I don't find anything entertaining about a crushed chest and internal bleeding caused by a 24 meter plummet into a wrestling ring turn buckle.
                                kimbaltak
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                                17 years, 6 months ago
                                montreal screwjob = a work.

                                as far as Owen goes. they were gonna have max mini strapped to him for the stunt but he no showed at the rehersal in hopes that they wouldn't be able to include max in the stunt. Owen was months away from his contract being up and he was going to retire. it's a well known fact that owen hated wrestling and only did so in order for his family to get a good life. hell his last words were telling the ref to move so he wouldn't land on him. Owen was a saint
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                                  17 years, 6 months ago
                                  Is this why McMahon's limo exploded? Because Bret "The Hitman" Hart did it and is coming back?

                                  I'm glad the limo explosion wasn't an empty stunt that simply revolved around McMahon (although it still sort of is). I'm all for bringing back the old-school wrestlers. I loved seeing the "legends" wrestle, no matter how old and out of shape some of them are. With Dusty Rhodes, Rowdy Roddy Piper, and (of course) Sgt. Slaughter... man those guys are awesome.
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                                    kimbaltak
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                                    17 years, 6 months ago
                                    I like when they bring some of the legends back. but I'm sorry seeing a fat roddy piper move like molases kills the image I have of him in my head.

                                    seeing tito santana not even be able to do a universal

                                    seeing vader with all the balance of a 3 legged elephant.

                                    I like how I remember these guys and paradeing them out once in a while to job to randy orton really irritates me.

                                    I almost cried when I saw the shape ricky steamboat was in.

                                    these are my heros and now vince dangles a few dollars in their face and they come out to look like jobbers.
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