I dont know about you guys, but i love this sport. But the one thing that got me thinking is that is Mixed Martial Arts. Why dont we see anyone fighting like Jet Li or like a Ninja? haha
1st off its not UFC fighting its MMA. 2nd of all, no1 will fight like a jet li because it doesnt work in the sport... jet lis coreagpher never had to worry about a takedown, or an arm bar or a omoplata or a triangle etc etc etc
Its pretty entertaining, isnt Brock lesner in UFC now?
I think it's gotten too regulated and is now being controlled by "shady" elements. I prefer the old school UFC where the boxing commission didn't oversee it, they didn't have weight classes, and there weren't a panel of judges to fix fights.
And back in the old days you DID see people fight like Jet Li and other exotic forms of martial arts. But when you are fighting in an enclosed cage, forced to wear gloves, and have a time limit, the only type of fighting that really works is pit fighting. Strikes and ground holds are the only things that really matter. You go in punch and kick a little bit until one guy manages to get a take down on the other guy, they wrestle around on the ground for 15 minutes, the ref seperates them, repeat until the time limit is reached. The only quick victories is if someone gets a couple of good shots in and the ref stops the fight, or if someone gets a submission lock on.
Without time limits, judges, and weight classes, you see an entirely different kind of fighting. And IMO a much better one.
And back in the old days you DID see people fight like Jet Li and other exotic forms of martial arts. But when you are fighting in an enclosed cage, forced to wear gloves, and have a time limit, the only type of fighting that really works is pit fighting. Strikes and ground holds are the only things that really matter. You go in punch and kick a little bit until one guy manages to get a take down on the other guy, they wrestle around on the ground for 15 minutes, the ref seperates them, repeat until the time limit is reached. The only quick victories is if someone gets a couple of good shots in and the ref stops the fight, or if someone gets a submission lock on.
Without time limits, judges, and weight classes, you see an entirely different kind of fighting. And IMO a much better one.
Not to mention that they outlawed some of the basic moves. No knees when an opponent is down. That was the end of Mark Kerr right there. He would get in the side mount and put the knees to the side of the head.
gumbyman
Its pretty entertaining, isnt Brock lesner in UFC now?
Yeah, what's up with my boy Brock? Last I heard he was talking to UFC but he may have other venues in his sights.
Brock got schooled by Frank Mir... Brock was gonna get schooled by Mark Coleman, but its not happenin (1 forget whos replacin him now) anyways, Brock is big, strong, has a legit wrestling background, but will get schooled by Big Nog, if he ever gets a shot at him..
as for the rules... the rules dont really take away from the sport.. they make it marketable, u maye think its watered down, but it opens the doors for a new audience.. sadly a bunch of affliction fags that i see all over the place, if you want vale tudo fights, go to brazil.
as for the rules... the rules dont really take away from the sport.. they make it marketable, u maye think its watered down, but it opens the doors for a new audience.. sadly a bunch of affliction fags that i see all over the place, if you want vale tudo fights, go to brazil.
That's right, I've heard that the constraints of rules makes the show acceptable to a wider audience and higher ratings. Make it network ready and now you're talkin money!
i wanna see Brock get whooped by Kimbo Slice. that dude is a beast. did u guys see him fight on CBS a couple nights ago. that was a brutal fight.
nippy
2386 Posts
16 years, 4 months ago
Kimbo Slice isn't that impressive, really. I don't know what all the hubbub is about, other than that being the first network MMA fight.
George St. Pierre is a real MMA fighter.
George St. Pierre is a real MMA fighter.
menasor
i wanna see Brock get whooped by Kimbo Slice. that dude is a beast. did u guys see him fight on CBS a couple nights ago. that was a brutal fight.
Kimbo sucks.. let him fight Mark Hunt... youll see an ass whoopin
Kimbo's street fights were entertaining though. One dude had his eyeball hanging out.
I don't care for the UFC that much. The talent pool is too small. It's mainly just average white fighters from the US.
Pride is where its at. There's a reason why Chucky Iceman didn't last long there.
I don't care for the UFC that much. The talent pool is too small. It's mainly just average white fighters from the US.
Pride is where its at. There's a reason why Chucky Iceman didn't last long there.
nippy
2386 Posts
16 years, 4 months ago
Glenn_Nachtjager
Kimbo's street fights were entertaining though. One dude had his eyeball hanging out.
I don't care for the UFC that much. The talent pool is too small. It's mainly just average white fighters from the US.
Pride is where its at. There's a reason why Chucky Iceman didn't last long there.
gotta disagree with you there, brother. PRIDE consisted of a bunch of lowly Japanese guys getting the ever-loving shit kicked out of them by whatever Brazilian Jujitsu fighter they put them up against. Dan Henderson and Quentin Jackson got their starts there too, but both have been successful in UFC (especially Jackson, the current Light Heavyweight champion who beat Henderson for the unified PRIDE and UFC title). Talent comes to the UFC and is rewarded with huge payoffs. True, there's a lot of drama going on behind the scenes, especially with Dana White running things and fighters running into contract issues here and there, but it's definitely the best fighting organization out there these days, and it's loaded with talent.
I can tell this kimbo slice cat is hungry but none the less there are still people in UFC who can beat him.
nippy
Glenn_NachtjagerKimbo's street fights were entertaining though. One dude had his eyeball hanging out.
I don't care for the UFC that much. The talent pool is too small. It's mainly just average white fighters from the US.
Pride is where its at. There's a reason why Chucky Iceman didn't last long there.
gotta disagree with you there, brother. PRIDE consisted of a bunch of lowly Japanese guys getting the ever-loving shit kicked out of them by whatever Brazilian Jujitsu fighter they put them up against. Dan Henderson and Quentin Jackson got their starts there too, but both have been successful in UFC (especially Jackson, the current Light Heavyweight champion who beat Henderson for the unified PRIDE and UFC title). Talent comes to the UFC and is rewarded with huge payoffs. True, there's a lot of drama going on behind the scenes, especially with Dana White running things and fighters running into contract issues here and there, but it's definitely the best fighting organization out there these days, and it's loaded with talent.
Eh, I'm going to use reverse logic on you and say that those two guys lost many more fights in Pride and only got success by beating lesser opponents in the UFC. Wanderlei Silva and Fidor would murder most UFC men. I agree with you about the Jap fighters, but its their home league, so of course they produced the most fodder. The Gracies were predominant in Pride. The American leagues were their after thought. You simply don't see the Russian sambo masters and other greatness fighting in UFC.
The most exciting fight I have EVER seen was Don Frye and some Jap heavyweight just way lay on each other in Pride. Granted there was no finesse, but it is what any fight fan wants to see.
Let me find a link.
EDIT: found it:
the best fight ever:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgAp0jcpYYc
Dony Frye is every 80's American action movie come to life. Look at that 'stache!
Inspector_Gadget
53 Posts
16 years, 4 months ago
OldSchool90s
I dont know about you guys, but i love this sport. But the one thing that got me thinking is that is Mixed Martial Arts. Why dont we see anyone fighting like Jet Li or like a Ninja? haha
Because its the movies!
Inspector_Gadget
53 Posts
16 years, 4 months ago
menasor
i wanna see Brock get whooped by Kimbo Slice. that dude is a beast. did u guys see him fight on CBS a couple nights ago. that was a brutal fight.
Kimbo slice is a joke to MMA,he opponents have been nothing but cans,
1.Ray Mercer-Boxer who decided to try MMA
2.Bo cantrell-Guy who just wanted a pay day
3.Tank Abbot-Old washed up fighter
4.James Thompson-Guy who has been knockout in his last couple of fights
Get back to me when kimbo has fought someone legit.
nippy
2386 Posts
16 years, 4 months ago
Glenn_Nachtjager
Dony Frye is every 80's American action movie come to life. Look at that 'stache!
Don Frye's a feg! :o
Seriously, he's built like a brick shithouse, but there's an element to him that's screaming "Y.M.C.A".
nippy
Glenn_NachtjagerDony Frye is every 80's American action movie come to life. Look at that 'stache!
Don Frye's a feg! :o
Seriously, he's built like a brick shithouse, but there's an element to him that's screaming "Y.M.C.A".
Horse shit. You know you would spoon him on a cold night.
I wonder how ol' Donny-Boy would fare against "Rampage" Jackson.....