Thread: Did Milli Vanilli Deserve What They Got?

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    Ok, so Milli Vanilli did not sing the songs, but did they deserve all that ill treatment?

    One off them committed suicide because he could not deal with it anymore.

    Have you ever heard most of these singers live?

    They do not sound anything like the CD.
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    Not the suicide, but the public humilation was desereved.

    C&C Music Factory and 2 Unlimited were also exposed as frauds around the same time.

    And often live shows you see that have alot of spectacle to them have at least some element of pretaped audio elements be it music, singing or sound effects.
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    I feel pretty bad for them. I mean, you gotta cash in when you can. Tough that it didn't really work out for them.
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    I have no sympathy for the group, for obvious reasons. Their humiliation was their own fault.

    Quote by Ilikethepixies
    I feel pretty bad for them. I mean, you gotta cash in when you can. Tough that it didn't really work out for them.

    What, you're saying you gotta commit fraud and cash in whenever you can? What are your morals anyway?
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    I felt sorry for them in a way. They wanted to be stars, but, the humilation was pretty much deserved for them as it would be expected since they weren't singing for themselves. I did feel sorry for the one who killed himself. He just couldn't take it anymore, and when trying to have a legit career (after the scandal) and such, it just didn't work out for him.
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    Why did the record label executives let them get away with that?
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    Quote by JerseyJ
    Why did the record label executives let them get away with that?

    And another question- I was reading about Milli Vanilli on Wikipedia and it said that Avista Records refused to let stores send the records back to them after the group was exposed as frauds. If this is true, aren't they SUPPOSED to let stores send the albums back, since they are responsible for this (whether they knew about the whole thing or not when they signed them)? They are the ones who put out the records.
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    It's Arista and they were a low rent and shady label and back in the day most of their profits went up Clive Davis' nose.

    They had a not bad roster of artists though, Iggy Pop recorded for them for a while and released his excellent New Values album on that label.
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    it's all on the label... they knew what they were doin when they got them together and not only that, they let those two take the fall!! nobody ever talks about the people who actually sang the shit to begin with... and it's not like they didn't know where their music was going.. yes, you can say that they deserved "some" of the treatment they got, but America didn't have to cut their nuts off like we did!!

    If someone offered you millions to go on a stage and fake a show, you wouldn't do it?? it's all about the money in the audio industry.. always has been and always will be!! personally, for me it's about the music but i would lip-sync for that much money!! if you say you wouldn't, you're a f***ing liar!!!!!!!
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    It was their producer, Frank Farian, who was behind everything. I saw a few different documentaries about them back in the day and basically, Frank put Milli Vanilli together from the beginning. I don't know how he came across Rob and Fab originally (I think they were just backup dancers in Germany at the time), but the entire idea, from start to finish, was his. He got the session musicians, he produced the tracks, and he was behind the whole thing. Rob and Fab didn't actually make as much money as people think...the bulk of the money went to Frank himself.

    Basically, Rob and Fab were just a couple of kids that got suckered into this thing by Frank. He promised them in the beginning that they would be allowed to actually sing in the future, but he had no intention of ever allowing them any input whatsoever. Eventually, they demanded to have more input into the music (and more money) and he responded by telling the press that they were frauds and they weren't actually singing, which is ironic considering he set the whole thing up himself. How he didn't end up getting caught up in the controversy I have no idea. He actually agreed to be interviewed for the "Behind the Music" they did on Milli Vanilli back in the day, and he definitely came across as a piece of shit.

    All in all, while Rob and Fab weren't completely innocent in the situation, one can't really fault them for going along with it; they were promised riches beyond their wildest dreams, told that they would be able to write and perform their own stuff, and when they pushed for the things they were promised, Frank Farian threw them to the wolves.
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    I'm just incredibly surprised nobody caught on sooner. I was just a kid then, but I KNEW something was up. They could barely be understood when they spoke in interviews (and their voices were high and whiny) because of their super-heavy accents, but when they sang, the accents mysteriously vanish? Nobody noticed that but me?
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    They were spoofed in an episode of Hey Arnold.
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    They also got kidnapped by Wendy O Koopa in an episode of Super Mario 3
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    After I saw VH-1's Behind The Music, I felt real sorry for these guys.
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    Quote by voltron82
    If someone offered you millions to go on a stage and fake a show, you wouldn't do it?? it's all about the money in the audio industry.. always has been and always will be!! personally, for me it's about the music but i would lip-sync for that much money!! if you say you wouldn't, you're a f***ing liar!!!!!!!


    I wouldn't, and I'm not a "f***ing liar." I wouldn't want to eventually get caught, get slammed with lawsuits, become publicly humiliated, and then commit sideways.

    Use your head and *think*, voltron. Think.
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    Quote by Rhio2k
    I'm just incredibly surprised nobody caught on sooner. I was just a kid then, but I KNEW something was up. They could barely be understood when they spoke in interviews (and their voices were high and whiny) because of their super-heavy accents, but when they sang, the accents mysteriously vanish? Nobody noticed that but me?


    I seem to recall hearing that George Clinton (yes, the guy from P-Funk) pointed out in an interview at one point before the scandal broke that it would be physically impossible for anyone to be able to sing clearly while pulling off the dance moves Milli Vanilli did on stage. This wasn't to call them out as frauds, though; a LOT of dance bands and pop artists lip-synched during live shows for that reason. Many still do, as evidenced by the Ashlee Simpson scandal. So, I would say someone did notice something wasn't right, but people didn't really put the pieces together until the scandal broke.

    Also, as someone else pointed out, Milli Vanilli weren't the only bands guilty of that crime. The one that immediately springs to mind is Black Box, one of whose videos can be seen [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T2GOkjBTTc]here[/url]. You see the skinny model mouthing the lyrics in that video? I can actually remember the backstory they concocted for her: she was an Italian model who didn't speak a word of English, but she had to learn the lyrics completely phonetically to sing them. I, too, wondered why she didn't sing with an accent. Well, it turns out the woman who REALLY sang those songs was Martha Wash, who's one-half of the singing duo you see in [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwyjmSbJPs]this video[/url], the one with the longer hair and red apron.
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    • 13 years 6 months ago
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    Have you ever heard Celine Dion talk?

    Just as you said that, I wonder if it is really her that sings?
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    What i don't get is how they thought they wouldn't get caught? I do feel sorry for Rob Pilatus's (spell?) family though. He really didn't need to kill himself (potentially anyway)
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    Fame does come at a price.

    A painful one at that.
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    Quote by OldNick07
    I wouldn't, and I'm not a "f***ing liar." I wouldn't want to eventually get caught, get slammed with lawsuits, become publicly humiliated, and then commit sideways.

    Use your head and *think*, voltron. Think.


    i am thinkin', and i would still do it!! why, because i can actually sing!! it happens a lot more than you would think.. but that's cool.. you have the right to your own opinion!! but it's easier to say that now, because it happened almost twenty years ago!! if you were as young and naive as they were , during that "time period", who knows... they were promised something and they got the complete opposite... oh well!! i do know that i wouldn't commit "sideways"!!
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