The Trayvon Martin case 2

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    eddstarr88 wrote:
    I've been staying away from this because, even in my late 30's, I was in situations involving law enforcement that could have gone very bad for me. Only recently, now that I'm showing my age, do I feel the bullseye off my back.
    But I'm careful whenever I'm in public.

    It still troubles me what I'm not seeing about this shooting.

    George Zimmerman lives in a gated community and is involved with the Neighborhood Watch patrol. How common are Neighborhood Watch programs [u]inside[/u] gated neighborhoods?

    If George Zimmerman was patroling inside his gated neighborhood at the Twin Lakes Townhome Complex, shouldn't he have known or recognized his neighbors, the Martins?

    If he didn't know the Martins, isn't meeting your neighbors a requirement in order to join any Neighborhood Watch program?

    Where is the map showing the location of Zimmerman's home, the Martin's home in relation to where Trayvon was shot? Did the Martin's live close enough to Zimmerman that maybe he knew them, yet never said so to the police?

    Since the Twin Lakes Townhome neighborhood is a closed community, showing such a map would pose no burden on the residents.

    There are certian basic facts that reporters aren't getting to and it bothers me.



    Tray normally lived with his mother, but was staying at his fathers house at the time. Being he wasn't there everyday it's no surprised they wouldn't recognize him.

    I have such mixed emotions on this case because there is so much we don't know. I mean when and if Zimmerman confronted him wouldn't a simple "Oh I'm Tracy Martin's son at unit 1234 and I'm coming back from the store getting this candy and tea" defuse the situation? At the same time the story that Martin confronted Zimmerman and asked him if he had a problem and responded to Zimmerman with "You do now" story seems fishy. I listened to the 911 tapes several times and those cries for help do sound like those of a teenager, but Zimmerman sounded young on those 911 calls too. A recording of Trayvons voice would help on this.

    I just don't know.......
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    I've been staying away from this because, even in my late 30's, I was in situations involving law enforcement that could have gone very bad for me. Only recently, now that I'm showing my age, do I feel the bullseye off my back.
    But I'm careful whenever I'm in public.

    It still troubles me what I'm not seeing about this shooting.

    George Zimmerman lives in a gated community and is involved with the Neighborhood Watch patrol. How common are Neighborhood Watch programs [u]inside[/u] gated neighborhoods?

    If George Zimmerman was patroling inside his gated neighborhood at the Twin Lakes Townhome Complex, shouldn't he have known or recognized his neighbors, the Martins?

    If he didn't know the Martins, isn't meeting your neighbors a requirement in order to join any Neighborhood Watch program?

    Where is the map showing the location of Zimmerman's home, the Martin's home in relation to where Trayvon was shot? Did the Martin's live close enough to Zimmerman that maybe he knew them, yet never said so to the police?

    Since the Twin Lakes Townhome neighborhood is a closed community, showing such a map would pose no burden on the residents.

    There are certian basic facts that reporters aren't getting to and it bothers me.

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    More proof Zimmerman is a dick

    http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/01/10963191-trayvon-martin-case-audio-screams-were-not-george-zimmermans-2-experts-say
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    stake_n_sheak wrote:
    What the media focuses on is very random. Black kids get kidnapped but the only kidnappings that make the national news are cute white kids. Especially if they're on vacation in Cancun.

    There are absolutely many socioeconomic factors involved. Martin was hot-headed, to be very brief, a lot of black teenagers are. Why? Well that could fill a book. "You give a dog a bad name, people gonna chuck rocks at him. By and by he bite somebody, sure enough."

    As someone who had a gun Zimmerman should not have instigated in the way he did. When consequences like death manifest, responsibility is magnified.


    I've said it many times before. Black males under 25 have it harder than any other race. They have social pressures from their peers to fit a certain image and constant labeling from others. It is really a bad combination.

    You mentioned about black teenagers being hot headed. Teens of all races can be, but for what ever reason blacks are more likely to resort to violence and it isn't just the boys. It isn't just resorting to violence either because people of all races do, it's the magnitude and frequency of it. Even though it is a small percentage, it is higher.

    Who are you more likely to tell off in public; a 20 year old white person or a 20 year old black person? Probably the white person because you know their is a greater probability of the black person attacking you. When a white kid starts yelling in public people pull the "you better watch yourself young man" with them. If it is a black person does everyone gets scared and dials 911. Take it from someone that spent a good number of years in the hood. Minorities almost expect white people to fear them and will go off on a white person in many cases at the drop of a hat. I blame white people for being such pussies to an extent.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36lZb7GDF6I

    Did Martin attack Zimmerman first we don't know.
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    What the media focuses on is very random. Black kids get kidnapped but the only kidnappings that make the national news are cute white kids. Especially if they're on vacation in Cancun.

    There are absolutely many socioeconomic factors involved. Martin was hot-headed, to be very brief, a lot of black teenagers are. Why? Well that could fill a book. "You give a dog a bad name, people gonna chuck rocks at him. By and by he bite somebody, sure enough."

    As someone who had a gun Zimmerman should not have instigated in the way he did. When consequences like death manifest, responsibility is magnified.
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    I see how it is, a white kid gets killed in the ghetto everyday and no one cares, but one black kid gets killed and its a national news story. lol jk.
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    DeliGuy wrote:
    Ok don't know too many facts on this other than a black kid was killed by a white guy. I am not going to comment on the case itself but rather that the media is all over it primarily b/c a white dude killed a black kid. Why is this more sensational than the Christian newsom murders? It happened in the area that I live and didn't make the national headlines... A young white couple was kidnapped by 3 black men and 1 black woman. They were tortured, raped, and sodomized. The man was shot and his body burned. She suffered injuries to her vagina, anus and mouth. She was not only raped but savaged with "an object," possibly a broken chair leg. She was beaten in the head. Some type of chemical was poured down her throat, and her body, including her bleeding and battered genital area, likely scrubbed with the same solution - all while she was alive. She was then "hog-tied," with curtains and strips of bedding, her face covered tightly with a small trash bag and her body stashed inside five large trash bags before being placed inside a large trash can and covered with sheets. Channon died slowly, suffocating...

    But of course the victims were white... No big deal.


    Unfortunately we are rolling the clock back to 90s on race in America with this.

    There is more black on white crime in this country than white on black. Most are never documented as doing so may be perceived as racist. When you present these facts to racist civil rights activist they bring up history and conspiracy theories. The facts remain that blacks per capita commit more violent crimes than any other race. People will not mention that people often stereotype blacks because of these facts. No one will blame the ghetto thugs that likely were committing crimes in that neighborhood to make Mr. Zimmerman overly paranoid. No one will put any blame on how Trayvon may have responded to him that escalated things because in our society we can never blame the victim. We also don't know how he was behaving that could have made Zimmerman suspicious.

    Geraldo Rivera got attacked for stating that him wearing the hoodie might have prompted the attack. You're not a criminal because you're wearing a hoodie, but many criminals do wear them. Geraldo was right about appearance. If he was wearing a polo shirt and khaki Zimmerman would have probably left him alone. If you dress like a thug people will treat you like one. Rather this was the case I do not know.

    I'm still putting blame on George Zimmerman for getting out of his car and for this I think he should be charged with something. However I'm not so quick to give Martin a pass. Ultimately this is a issue of the police not following protocol. All these other issues are coming up as we continue to discuss this.
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    Ok don't know too many facts on this other than a black kid was killed by a white guy. I am not going to comment on the case itself but rather that the media is all over it primarily b/c a white dude killed a black kid. Why is this more sensational than the Christian newsom murders? It happened in the area that I live and didn't make the national headlines... A young white couple was kidnapped by 3 black men and 1 black woman. They were tortured, raped, and sodomized. The man was shot and his body burned. She suffered injuries to her vagina, anus and mouth. She was not only raped but savaged with "an object," possibly a broken chair leg. She was beaten in the head. Some type of chemical was poured down her throat, and her body, including her bleeding and battered genital area, likely scrubbed with the same solution - all while she was alive. She was then "hog-tied," with curtains and strips of bedding, her face covered tightly with a small trash bag and her body stashed inside five large trash bags before being placed inside a large trash can and covered with sheets. Channon died slowly, suffocating...

    But of course the victims were white... No big deal.
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    On the news last night they had a "new development." Footage of Zimmerman coming into the police station. Some say you can't tell he's injured in the video. His lawyer and I'm sure others say the quality is too poor to be able to see his injuries. I think if somebody's head was repeatedly slammed into the sidewalk there would be blood all over? He got a once-over before they brought him in of course. But no bandages, no 'bloody lacerations'.

    ABC points out the default picture of Zimmerman is just as old as the one of Martin, he doesn't look like that now. He's not a chubby babyface any more.

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    Me too.
    My theory about that thread is that dude got mad and reported it. Either that or a mod just didn't like too much back and forth between two people. But I was done with that. vOv

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    I don't watch the news all that much and just sorta skimmed over the articles about this in the newspapers. The first thing I thought about was whether this kid would have been killed if he were white. Then I wondered if the story would have shown up on the national stage like this if he were white. Then I thought that there is no way his name would have been Trayvon if he were white.
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    So...is this thread just for a discussion about the other thread, which is for a discussion about Trayvon Martin?
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    Why the lock in the other thread...?
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    Since this is now the Real World Forum, I guess we can call it a debate.

    Hey check this out:

    http://www.independent.ie/world-news/americas/video-congressman-dons-hoodie-in-tribute-to-slain-trayvon-martin-3065985.html
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    Maybe they closed the thread because they felt there was an argument going on?
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    vkimo wrote:
    Why not just move the thread then? I'm perplexed at the recent locked threads without any comments from the moderators lately.

    Me too. That discussion was being handled in an adult manner with no personal attacks. There was no reason for it to be locked.
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    Why not just move the thread then? I'm perplexed at the recent locked threads without any comments from the moderators lately.
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    Since one of the mods locked this (probably Saruman_w or caps ) with no explanation lets continue the discussion here.

    http://www.retrojunk.com/forums/index.php?view=posts&fid=1&tid=61621&page=5
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