The Trayvon Martin case 2

I've been reading the comments on these stories and more and more people seem to be turning to Zimmerman's side.

Although paramedics gave him first aid, he said he did not need to go to the hospital and sought medical treatment the next day.

In a statement to ABC News, Martin family attorney, Benjamin Crump, said he is skeptical.

But Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, said it's time for his client to get out of jail.

"He wants to get back with his family," he said. "He wants to be able to help me, he knows that that's very significant."

...apparently taken three minutes after he shot and killed Martin. The photo could give credence to Zimmerman's claim that Martin had bashed his head against the concrete as Zimmerman fought for his life.
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"I am sorry for the loss of your son. I did not know how old he was. I thought he was a little bit younger than I am. I did not know if he was armed or not," Zimmerman said addressing Martin's family directly.

After the court hearing, O'Mara rejected the suggestion that they were "pandering" to the parents, and said Zimmerman wanted to apologize after hearing the parents on TV said that he had never done so.

Every little thing counts as evidence though some can be excluded. Everything deem appropriate to complete the puzzle is welcomed. Specially when there is a casualty.

Like I said, I simplified the story for brevity. Of course the highways weren't built overnight...

This is a city that still has an infrastructure, or some of it, for 2 million people, and now only 800,000 remain...This process didn't happen overnight, as with Katrina, but over many many decades. However the devastation is just as profound, and just as much concentrated on the lower echelons of society.

...White folks were leaving the city center for the suburbs long before multiplexes became common. The car, and the highways the car and oil companies lobbied for, made that migration possible. Though the auto industry started [in Detroit], the more successful it became, the more it destroyed the place that nurtured it...

...While there are Polish, Irish and other enclaves, Detroit and other cities became largely African-American...

...when the auto industry was king and GM was the largest corporation on the planet, the city flourished. Is it any wonder there is practically no public transportation infrastructure here? Or that the train station was abandoned? Or that the boulevards and later the freeways allowed whites to colonize the farmlands beyond the city limits--eventually creating a city with a working class tax base. You can't fund great schools, infrastructure and public transportation with only taxes from working class folks...

Isn't it possible that Martin did threaten and/or beat Zimmerman, but then cried for help after Zimmerman got the upper hand? Not saying that's what I think happened, but I'm not sure the cry for help is necessarily the "key" to the case. As thabz said, it's been confirmed that it wasn't Zimmerman.

The key to this case is to determine who was yelling for help in the background on this 911 call

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urq1eAxdRE8

If that was Zimmerman yelling he needs to record himself yelling and get an expert to compare the voice prints. If that was Martin yelling for help I think it's pretty clear that Zimmerman is guilty of murder.

I must say that those yells do sound like that of a teenager and not a grown man.

Good luck with that, thanks to Al and Jessie, a MAJORITY of people will still believe it was hate for a race without looking at the facts due to the public majority being media sheep. As/is in the public's eyes he's already guilty until proven innocent.

Race wasn't mentioned until 911 dispatch asked Mr. Zimmerman for the suspect's description

they are law as well. If he had stay put none of this would have happened.

yeah, a story known as it's still unknown to me if it's 911 dispatch or an actual officer of the law..

Put it this way -- (dunno if I posted this here or not, but here it is again justin case): I was in my car with my friend and saw someone going down I-75/71 driving erratically, going well over the limit, etc. so we followed to get their plate # and make/model of the vehicle. Mind you at one point we were going over 90. The guy on the other end of the call told me not to do that -- and that was a SHERRIFF, NOT 911 dispatch. (I had that run-around before I got to a police department of that area)

Yeah a story called "this will not happen if you follow instructions"..

But that's just stuff that people are saying. It's not relevant to the trial--it shouldn't be--unless prosecution can prove motive based on race. And court always has to try to make sure the jury is unbiased.

I missed this, so I don't know the context. Was he mentioning race in that? That would sure help the prosecution.

I don't think that matters or is the thing that matters; or else I don't understand what you're saying here. Ignoring authority isn't forgiven because one deigns to meet other authority later. Rather, the existence of that option points to a problem with the police department.

What's making it complicated is the media/racial shitstorm with the bias and spinning...

race has ALREADY came into question...

And as he said in the past, there HAVE been suspicious activities and break-ins..

What matters is near the end, Zimmerman agreed to meet the police in a pre-determined location.

Whether or not it REALLY was just a dispatch or the police/sherriff, is another story. What matters is near the end, Zimmerman agreed to meet the police in a pre-determined location.

I don't think it's that complicated. The fact is, Zimmerman shot Martin. That's the only thing we really know for sure, right? The question for the court is, "was he justified in doing that?" It's true that a lot of people are applying racial issues to it, but from the most objective standpoint possible I don't think those are relevant to the question.

If the decision is made that he was not justified and he is therefore guilty, then the possibility of racial motivation should come into play regarding sentencing--considering whether it was a hate crime. I don't really think it was, consciously. But I do believe he had a fear that led to his actions. I think that fear, and its causes and effects, are the source of larger public conversations such as this one.

And listening to the instructions of the police/dispatcher. Wich he didn't.

5. Before someone drops the load of BS known as Zimmerman being a "serial" reporter and making over 40 reports since 2001, did you know that's the whole point of Neighborhood Watch, is to report suspicious activity to the police?

2. Honestly with ALL the racial/media bias and spin out there, unclarity, confusion, and Trayvon obviously not around to tell his side of the story, we as commoners will never know what happened. You can either side with Zimmerman based on facts, etc and get labeled a racist and people will get easily offended. On that same hand, you can side with Trayvon and people will base it off the media/racial bias, etc (which normally, this DOES happen anytime a black person is hurt or killed, hence why the majority is always so afraid to act).

Looks like he's being charged with 2nd degree murder.

http://news.yahoo.com/apnewsbreak-murder-charge-trayvon-martin-case-214123361.html

In my opinion, Zimmerman is screwed no matter what the outcome. Innocent or guilty, he'll still be one of the most disliked people in America.