Are you born gay...or is it a decision you make in later life?

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    I got into an argument with someone who's gay. Not only he said "You're BORN Gay", but he had a lot of fucking nerve to say that i'm just a "Stupid-Ass Bible-Thumping Redneck"! (Okay he didn't say that, but he HAD to be right and win...and I HAD to be wrong and lose)!

    I just think that you become gay when you get older, it's not like when you're a kid and wear your mom's makeup or play with Barbies doesn't mean you're meant to be gay!
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    Did You wear makeup and play with Barbies? If so that pretty much means You're gay.
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    I think some people are more prone to be than others and from a very young age. It's very complicated and very debatable. I don't think there is a simple answer and the past has shown that you can't force a person to be straight.

    I think strong male role models are important for boys. I blame feminism for a lot of the challenges both boys and girls are faced with today. Girls are pressured to be strong and boys are being raised to be soft. It's no wonder so many young people are confused.
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    God doesn't make people gay. Not even at birth. Homosexuality is a choice.
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    I knew it was debatable and more of a decision.

    I don't hate Gay People, if I did I wouldn't listen to Elton John or The Village People. But if they have an attitude to me then I can't talk to them!
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    thecrow174 wrote:
    God doesn't make people gay. Not even at birth. Homosexuality is a choice.


    Totally agree.
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    I don't think being gay is a choice as in you just wake up one morning and decide to be gay, but I don't believe you are born gay either. I think it is something that can develop over time depending on various circumstances.
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    This is probably the worst debate question next to abortion. This whole media-crazed obession about whether you are born gay or chosen to be gay really is out of hand. Honestly I don't need to know why he/she decided to come out; as long as they are happy with their decisions and it makes them feel better in their own personal lives. I don't get the human curiousity as it says, about this. Just leave it be and let it be.
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    This debate is pretty much pointless.. Most gays will say that they were born gay, while most straight people will say that it is a choice.. The truth is, none of it matters.. If you are gay, be gay.. If you are straight, be straight.. Now, the real debate is whether gays should be allowed to get married.. BEGIN!!
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    It has been proved that certain hormonal imbalances in the fetus (developmental stage) can sway human desires/behaviors.

    Sometimes they mixed up and there are males that end up with more female hormones than average and females with more male hormones than average. Thats why the typical "born in the wrong body" of some claims.


    Thats the science part and still in debate.

    Wether the individual pops out gay is another matter in wich society have the upper hand.


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    Ok I know I'm late chiming in, but I think it has a lot to do with the environment you've been raised in. I definitely think its a choice. I even know a girl my age who was a lesbian and now is married to a man with kids... I agree with bassman's sentiments on confusing genders by the way we raise children.
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    I know I'm late, but I feel that people are born that way. Think about it...why would anyone CHOOSE to be gay knowing how people are even persecuted, abused, and killed for it in some places? I do believe that some people do "choose" and are just the experimental type (or bi) or either try to pass as straight to try and rid themselves of what they may consider "unnatural feelings", but I feel that the majority of people who say they are gay were definitely born in that way.

    To me, it's no different from people who identify themselves with being asexual (no sexual attraction towards either gender). If you sexually attracted to a person of the same gender, how is that not caused by having too many female hormones (if male) or too many male hormones (if female)?
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    SSJ_Jup81 wrote:
    I know I'm late, but I feel that people are born that way. Think about it...why would anyone CHOOSE to be gay knowing how people are even persecuted, abused, and killed for it in some places? I do believe that some people do "choose" and are just the experimental type (or bi) or either try to pass as straight to try and rid themselves of what they may consider "unnatural feelings", but I feel that the majority of people who say they are gay were definitely born in that way.

    To me, it's no different from people who identify themselves with being asexual (no sexual attraction towards either gender). If you sexually attracted to a person of the same gender, how is that not caused by having too many female hormones (if male) or too many male hormones (if female)?


    You can't choose your sexuality, but I think you can choose your path (to a degree). My theory is certain doors (virtual doors) are open in a gay persons mind that stay shut in a straight persons. Likewise some door stay shut in a gay persons mind that open up for a straight person. For example a child that is molested will have doors opened in their mind and will go down paths that most will never have.

    It starts at a very young age and the paths people go down start very young. Parents and adults in general will treat some children different than others. It might be because they are the youngest, are very cute or more sensitive than another child. A child that gets a lot of attention will develop a different personality than a child that is neglected. Therefore the path the two children are going down is going to likely be different. A good looking child will get treated differently than a not so good looking one. So certain doors are doing to open for each child and each will likely go down a different path in life. Just like a child in a poor broken home will have a much different life. This means different challenges and different experiences for each as they get older. Just like a child with strict parents will be lead down a different path than one with permissive parents.

    In the case of sexuality it is my theory that something happens or several events happen which open certain door in their mind which in turn could ultimately lead them down a path which could lead to homosexuality. Think about it! We are all pretty much the same as babies. We know if we were switched a birth that our lives would be much different right? I mean we would be a different person if we were raised by a family much different than our own. Regardless if we want to admit it or not we are who we are because of how we were raised and what we have experienced. Why can't someones sexual preference be a result of their experiences since birth? So here are some foods for thought.

    A 12 year old permissive/submissive child that is very sheltered meets another child. The other child for what ever reason has homosexual urges. He acts on them with the other child. Being the other child is so submissive rather than punching the kids out he lets him do it. It feels good just like it would if a girl did it. Now the question is, will that child ever be the same? Has some doors opened for that child that would not have opened had he not met that other child or if the child was a girl? It wasn't molestation because they are the same age. The child's upbringing which made him submissive made him an easy target for the other child to act on his urges. So his mother put him on a path which lead him down another path. Now this doesn't mean this kid will grow up gay, but again what path will those door that were opened lead him down? Will he go home and watch a gay porn video online and open up more door and more questions that his brother treated differently by their mother would never have to think about?
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    SSJ_Jup81 wrote:
    I know I'm late, but I feel that people are born that way. Think about it...why would anyone CHOOSE to be gay knowing how people are even persecuted, abused, and killed for it in some places? I do believe that some people do "choose" and are just the experimental type (or bi) or either try to pass as straight to try and rid themselves of what they may consider "unnatural feelings", but I feel that the majority of people who say they are gay were definitely born in that way.

    To me, it's no different from people who identify themselves with being asexual (no sexual attraction towards either gender). If you sexually attracted to a person of the same gender, how is that not caused by having too many female hormones (if male) or too many male hormones (if female)?


    Drinking excess alcohol in some guys also affects testosterone/hormone levels by lowering it and end up getting moobs but would that be enough to turn you gay?

    Excellent analysis bassman21, its what I've also hypothesized because I see it as a cross between the Westermarck Effect turned upside-down with environmental factors such as upbringing.
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    bassman21 wrote:
    SSJ_Jup81 wrote:
    I know I'm late, but I feel that people are born that way. Think about it...why would anyone CHOOSE to be gay knowing how people are even persecuted, abused, and killed for it in some places? I do believe that some people do "choose" and are just the experimental type (or bi) or either try to pass as straight to try and rid themselves of what they may consider "unnatural feelings", but I feel that the majority of people who say they are gay were definitely born in that way.

    To me, it's no different from people who identify themselves with being asexual (no sexual attraction towards either gender). If you sexually attracted to a person of the same gender, how is that not caused by having too many female hormones (if male) or too many male hormones (if female)?


    You can't choose your sexuality, but I think you can choose your path (to a degree). My theory is certain doors (virtual doors) are open in a gay persons mind that stay shut in a straight persons. Likewise some door stay shut in a gay persons mind that open up for a straight person. For example a child that is molested will have doors opened in their mind and will go down paths that most will never have.

    It starts at a very young age and the paths people go down start very young. Parents and adults in general will treat some children different than others. It might be because they are the youngest, are very cute or more sensitive than another child. A child that gets a lot of attention will develop a different personality than a child that is neglected. Therefore the path the two children are going down is going to likely be different. A good looking child will get treated differently than a not so good looking one. So certain doors are doing to open for each child and each will likely go down a different path in life. Just like a child in a poor broken home will have a much different life. This means different challenges and different experiences for each as they get older. Just like a child with strict parents will be lead down a different path than one with permissive parents.

    In the case of sexuality it is my theory that something happens or several events happen which open certain door in their mind which in turn could ultimately lead them down a path which could lead to homosexuality. Think about it! We are all pretty much the same as babies. We know if we were switched a birth that our lives would be much different right? I mean we would be a different person if we were raised by a family much different than our own. Regardless if we want to admit it or not we are who we are because of how we were raised and what we have experienced. Why can't someones sexual preference be a result of their experiences since birth? So here are some foods for thought.

    A 12 year old permissive/submissive child that is very sheltered meets another child. The other child for what ever reason has homosexual urges. He acts on them with the other child. Being the other child is so submissive rather than punching the kids out he lets him do it. It feels good just like it would if a girl did it. Now the question is, will that child ever be the same? Has some doors opened for that child that would not have opened had he not met that other child or if the child was a girl? It wasn't molestation because they are the same age. The child's upbringing which made him submissive made him an easy target for the other child to act on his urges. So his mother put him on a path which lead him down another path. Now this doesn't mean this kid will grow up gay, but again what path will those door that were opened lead him down? Will he go home and watch a gay porn video online and open up more door and more questions that his brother treated differently by their mother would never have to think about?




    That brings up some interesting theories. I think homosexuality is probably way more predominant in any type of urban, modern society. Regardless of time periods too. I bet there were virtually little if any homosexuals in any tribes or primitive peoples. Unless there were and they never came out of the bushes!


    I know there was homosexuality since the beginning, but I mean only in the cultural meccas of the time is where I think it more or less thrived.
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    ^ Vegans there were none in the times of great conquerors/invaders of the world. So I blame vegetarianism.

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