• DeliGuy
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    Shazbot wrote:
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    DebrisStorm wrote:
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    I don't see why my tax dollars should go to fund any group that is murdering children. Jefferson said To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. Its not the governments place to fund this. I don't see how anyone can argue for abortion. Its taking the life of a child. If you don't want the child, I know plenty of people that are looking to adopt. I have never seen the validity of back alley v.s. legal abortion. You are saying one life is more important than another. You are saying save one individal by killing a completely innocent one. People have been brain washed into believing this junk and one day will accept euthanasia as well.


    They're not children. They're a parasite. They aren't a child until birth. End of discussion.


    Oh the almighty debrisstorm ended the discussion with his decree. They are a child. Watch an ultrasound and tell me otherwise. Watch a little baby in the womb smile when you talk to them and tell me that. You and everyone that holds that view of children are warped in the head.


    Watch the insults there. Planned Parenthood doesn't do any abortions. They do exams, (pregnancy, cancer, health, ect), pass out contraceptives, discuss options. And yes, I do support abortions. Its the woman's body. Nothing you or I can change her mind on what she wants to do with it.


    This is from their site "Abortions are available at many Planned Parenthood health centers, clinics, and the offices of private health care providers. Use our health center locator to find the nearest Planned Parenthood health center that offers abortion services. If there is not a health center nearby that provides the abortion services you need, call your nearest center for a list of referrals." So how can you say they don't do them? You can support abortion all you want. You have that right. However, I have the right to believe that it is murder plain and simple and don't see the logic that values a womans life over that of her child. As far as insults, don't use words like parasites when speaking of innocent children and I won't. You incite a fight with that and I will.



    Have you ever looked up the definition of the word "parasite"?

    dictionary.com wrote:
    an animal or plant that lives in or on another (the host) from which it obtains nourishment. The host does not benefit from the association and is often harmed by it


    Technically Debris is correct in the usage of the word, that is until the baby is born. And that is hardly a good excuse to insult him.


    Sorry not beating a dead horse, but just saw this. We are dealing with the connotation of the word here. Debris knows that when he is debating abortion if he uses the term parasite it will upset those in the debate b/c the term parasite has a very negative connotation. He is intelligent. He knows what he is doing. He is trying to upset me and then acted like I shouldn't be.
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    mysticwryter wrote:
    I have friends who have been in relationships for quite some time. They even said they wouldn't want to get married. I asked them if it was the fear of being chastized, they said no. It was because they already have everything they want, why rub in people's faces who do not approve of it.


    Well, some places don't allow gay partners to have the same rights as married couples. For example, if your husband dies, you will be entitled to benefits. If you were gay and your partner died, you may not get anything.
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    DeliGuy wrote:
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    Well, i would guess by the Bible responses that you are against gay marriage.


    I am. I don't think the government should or could ban a gay lifestyle, but I don't agree with them recognizing a homosexual couple being married. I mean people bash Christian for legistlating morality, but if they were to do this then they are legislating morality as well.


    What about a recognized "civil union" for reasons i just mentioned in my reply to mysticwryter?
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    Shazbot wrote:
    mysticwryter wrote:
    I have friends who have been in relationships for quite some time. They even said they wouldn't want to get married. I asked them if it was the fear of being chastized, they said no. It was because they already have everything they want, why rub in people's faces who do not approve of it.


    Well, some places don't allow gay partners to have the same rights as married couples. For example, if your husband dies, you will be entitled to benefits. If you were gay and your partner died, you may not get anything.


    And that should change. I'm night the right winger you think I am :D
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    		 I don't care if gays can call themselves "married" or not, but they should get the same benefits a straight married couple would get.
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    Shazbot wrote:
    DeliGuy wrote:
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    Well, i would guess by the Bible responses that you are against gay marriage.


    I am. I don't think the government should or could ban a gay lifestyle, but I don't agree with them recognizing a homosexual couple being married. I mean people bash Christian for legistlating morality, but if they were to do this then they are legislating morality as well.


    What about a recognized "civil union" for reasons i just mentioned in my reply to mysticwryter?


    Its still legislating a "couple." I think they could change the laws for the reasons you mentioned without having to recognize them as an official couple.
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    		 So, you don't want them to be recognized as a couple, even without using the word "marriage"?
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    Shazbot wrote:
    So, you don't want them to be recognized as a couple, even without using the word "marriage"?


    Nope. I think the laws can be tweeked without that being done. Once again they are being recognized by the law as a couple. I'm kinda against the whole government assigning marriage certificates and everything as well.
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  • mysticwryter
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    DeliGuy wrote:
    Shazbot wrote:
    DeliGuy wrote:
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    Well, i would guess by the Bible responses that you are against gay marriage.


    I am. I don't think the government should or could ban a gay lifestyle, but I don't agree with them recognizing a homosexual couple being married. I mean people bash Christian for legistlating morality, but if they were to do this then they are legislating morality as well.


    What about a recognized "civil union" for reasons i just mentioned in my reply to mysticwryter?


    Its still legislating a "couple." I think they could change the laws for the reasons you mentioned without having to recognize them as an official couple.



    I can understand the idea of some people not liking the idea of a couple getting married in a church or some type of religious temple, but I'm curious, why wouldn't you agree to having a civil union. It's by the judge or some court clerk that reconizes that the two have a legal compainionship. Would is still be considered as a "sin" when the idea of God is not involved and if so why?
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    Shazbot wrote:
    So, you don't want them to be recognized as a couple, even without using the word "marriage"?


    The country was built based upon Christian values, so even though "Marriage" is not even touch in this situation, it would still not be feasable to others who are against any type of gay/lesbian union.
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    		 Its the fact that our government recognizes them as a couple. It is still in some form or fashion approving of the relationship.
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    		 Ok.


    Before things get more out of hand or someone decides to rant and rave and cause more of a fight rather than a discussion, I'll end my part in this post.
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    		 I'm in favor of a three strikes law. You get three abortions allowed by law.

    After the third, your ovaries get removed. :D
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    atticusfinch wrote:
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    they also support laws that ban abortion so really that's an inaccurate statement.


    And to stop the funding of Family Planning centers that actually do good.


    well, that's not directly going against the bible but it's still fucked.

    i say that if that law passes, it is every male's duty to knock every republican politician's daughters/wives/mistresses/etc. up.

    Since it is your body, you should make sure you don't get pregnant in the first place. Some women want to spread their legs and then not take responsibility. Abortion is the easy way out. Making it harder means people will try harder not to get knocked up.


    really?
    i'm going to throw this out there: i have had more non-consensual sex with guys than consensual sex with guys. the first time this occurred i was too young to even get pregnant, and the second time the only thing that saved me was that i take an oral contraceptive. making access to abortion more difficult certainly won't make people try harder not to get pregnant.

    abortion is not always "the easy way out" and i'd say at least 90% of the women that get abortions do not use it as birth control. it is your own body and it would be nice if all pregnancies were planned but they're not.


    I'm making a thread on this, but I think this is pretty much amazing:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/africa/06/20/south.africa.female.condom/

    It might not have helped your situations, but it's good to know something is being done.
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    marvel wrote:
    atticusfinch wrote:
    bassman21 wrote:
    atticusfinch wrote:
    DebrisStorm wrote:
    atticusfinch wrote:
    they also support laws that ban abortion so really that's an inaccurate statement.


    And to stop the funding of Family Planning centers that actually do good.


    well, that's not directly going against the bible but it's still fucked.

    i say that if that law passes, it is every male's duty to knock every republican politician's daughters/wives/mistresses/etc. up.

    Since it is your body, you should make sure you don't get pregnant in the first place. Some women want to spread their legs and then not take responsibility. Abortion is the easy way out. Making it harder means people will try harder not to get knocked up.


    really?
    i'm going to throw this out there: i have had more non-consensual sex with guys than consensual sex with guys. the first time this occurred i was too young to even get pregnant, and the second time the only thing that saved me was that i take an oral contraceptive. making access to abortion more difficult certainly won't make people try harder not to get pregnant.

    abortion is not always "the easy way out" and i'd say at least 90% of the women that get abortions do not use it as birth control. it is your own body and it would be nice if all pregnancies were planned but they're not.


    I'm making a thread on this, but I think this is pretty much amazing:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/africa/06/20/south.africa.female.condom/

    It might not have helped your situations, but it's good to know something is being done.



    chinese penis cuff, anyone??
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    		 What woman wants to get multiple abortions?

    Last time I checked it does not tickle.

    Even though I've seen other wise.

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    		 as for abortion, I do believe there should be certain situations where it should be okay (rape, incest, danger to the mother's life in general).

    but really, black_kitten (or whoever Debris's lesbian friend is here) said it best: only women should be arguing on abortion, since it doesn't apply to guys.

    and I also support gay marriage.
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    		 Saying men shouldn't debate the topic and argue for the fetus' life b/c we aren't carrying the child is like saying you shouldn't try to stop a mugging if you aren't the one being mugged. The whole reason men debate this is b/c they are trying to keep innocent children from being coldly murdered. If we should stay out of this debate on murder, then lets not get involved in any murder. I never will understand the logic of the pro abortion group or our country where a mother with the aid of a doctor can murder her own child and it be legal, but if that same mother is hit by a drunk driver and the fetus dies they can be charged with a homicide. Basically under our law a child is only alive if a mother wants it. Hypocrisy at its finest...
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    DeliGuy wrote:
    Saying men shouldn't debate the topic and argue for the fetus' life b/c we aren't carrying the child is like saying you shouldn't try to stop a mugging if you aren't the one being mugged. The whole reason men debate this is b/c they are trying to keep innocent children from being coldly murdered. If we should stay out of this debate on murder, then lets not get involved in any murder. I never will understand the logic of the pro abortion group or our country where a mother with the aid of a doctor can murder her own child and it be legal, but if that same mother is hit by a drunk driver and the fetus dies they can be charged with a homicide. Basically under our law a child is only alive if a mother wants it. Hypocrisy at its finest...


    That's right. I could care less what a woman does to her body, but when the life of a child is in the picture that goes out the window. Women have a gift to make a life (with a man's help). The problem is people don't really get that. They don't see it as a child till it is born. However like I said before you already started the process, stopping it is murder.

    If I went back in time and convinced your mother to have an abortion, wouldn't I be a murder?
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  • Shazbot
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    bassman21 wrote:
    DeliGuy wrote:
    Saying men shouldn't debate the topic and argue for the fetus' life b/c we aren't carrying the child is like saying you shouldn't try to stop a mugging if you aren't the one being mugged. The whole reason men debate this is b/c they are trying to keep innocent children from being coldly murdered. If we should stay out of this debate on murder, then lets not get involved in any murder. I never will understand the logic of the pro abortion group or our country where a mother with the aid of a doctor can murder her own child and it be legal, but if that same mother is hit by a drunk driver and the fetus dies they can be charged with a homicide. Basically under our law a child is only alive if a mother wants it. Hypocrisy at its finest...


    That's right. I could care less what a woman does to her body, but when the life of a child is in the picture that goes out the window. Women have a gift to make a life (with a man's help). The problem is people don't really get that. They don't see it as a child till it is born. However like I said before you already started the process, stopping it is murder.

    If I went back in time and convinced your mother to have an abortion, wouldn't I be a murder?


    That just begets the argument of when life begins. Conception can occur in as little as a half-hour after sex, so does that mean that the morning after pill (which you said you support) is also murder since conception has already occurred?
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