Liberal vs. Conservative

Shazbot
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Sounds like the fetus was eavesdropping on the conversation and somehow leapt inside the womb.
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bassman21
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Let's keep the Bible out of this discussion.
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DeliGuy 2 years 1 month ago Posts: 2852	DebrisStorm wrote: DeliGuy wrote: Actually I know men and women who have been doctors for 20+ year and have never seen a case of pregnancy due to rape or incest. Not saying it doesn't happen, but on an extremely small scale. I also know women who were told that if they didn't have an abortion they would die and have a healthy child b/c they didn't believe the doc. I'm sure thats not always the case. But lets be honest a vast majority of women that have these abortions have them b/c they don't want to deal with having a kid. Don't try to act like you are doing this b/c you have priorities. No I am not a misogynist. Should I label you as a child hater b/c of your views? You never answered the questions. You just dodged the questions. And I don't hate children. I just don't like them. They're fine if they belong to someone else, because they eventually go away. Nor do I hate women. Try being logical in your insults. As far as answering (which I did you just didn't like it). Rape/incest- No. Women being told they will die- I don't think the abortion should happen right away as I said I know of more than one woman who was told this and still had the kid. If the mother is actually dying b/c of it, I don't think she should die b/c of it. And at that point I doubt the child is even alive anyway so it wouldn't be an abortion.
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DeliGuy 2 years 1 month ago Posts: 2852	DebrisStorm wrote: DeliGuy wrote: atticusfinch wrote: i have a question, like a serious one that's not trying to be all smartass or anything: exactly where in the bible does it specifically say that abortion is a sin? a lot of conservatives base their opinions on christian values. i know it directly says you cannot murder, but abortion cannot clearly be defined as murder by any one person. does it ever specifically say someone who has not been born is alive and considered a human being, therefore abortion is murder? In the New Testament, when John the Baptist was in his mother's womb, he heard Mary the mother of Christ telling his mother that she was pregnant with Jesus and he lept for joy. That just sounds like someone is happy. (In the most violent book ever written by man.) I thought adults argued rationally. I remember that argument in high school. It carries no weight. If a child can experience joy in the womb it is a living creature.
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DeliGuy 2 years 1 month ago Posts: 2852	atticusfinch wrote: DeliGuy wrote: atticusfinch wrote: i have a question, like a serious one that's not trying to be all smartass or anything: exactly where in the bible does it specifically say that abortion is a sin? a lot of conservatives base their opinions on christian values. i know it directly says you cannot murder, but abortion cannot clearly be defined as murder by any one person. does it ever specifically say someone who has not been born is alive and considered a human being, therefore abortion is murder? In the New Testament, when John the Baptist was in his mother's womb, he heard Mary the mother of Christ telling his mother that she was pregnant with Jesus and he lept for joy. ... you mean the baby was kicking? Thats not what it says... If you want to believe it means that you can interpret it that way, but it says he lept with joy.
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Deleted 2 years 1 month ago Posts: 54340	DeliGuy wrote: DebrisStorm wrote: DeliGuy wrote: atticusfinch wrote: i have a question, like a serious one that's not trying to be all smartass or anything: exactly where in the bible does it specifically say that abortion is a sin? a lot of conservatives base their opinions on christian values. i know it directly says you cannot murder, but abortion cannot clearly be defined as murder by any one person. does it ever specifically say someone who has not been born is alive and considered a human being, therefore abortion is murder? In the New Testament, when John the Baptist was in his mother's womb, he heard Mary the mother of Christ telling his mother that she was pregnant with Jesus and he lept for joy. That just sounds like someone is happy. (In the most violent book ever written by man.) I thought adults argued rationally. I remember that argument in high school. It carries no weight. If a child can experience joy in the womb it is a living creature. Its from a book of fiction.

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DeliGuy 2 years 1 month ago Posts: 2852	bassman21 wrote: Let's keep the Bible out of this discussion. Finch asked where it said that a fetus was a living being in the Bible.
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DeliGuy 2 years 1 month ago Posts: 2852	DebrisStorm wrote: DeliGuy wrote: DebrisStorm wrote: DeliGuy wrote: atticusfinch wrote: i have a question, like a serious one that's not trying to be all smartass or anything: exactly where in the bible does it specifically say that abortion is a sin? a lot of conservatives base their opinions on christian values. i know it directly says you cannot murder, but abortion cannot clearly be defined as murder by any one person. does it ever specifically say someone who has not been born is alive and considered a human being, therefore abortion is murder? In the New Testament, when John the Baptist was in his mother's womb, he heard Mary the mother of Christ telling his mother that she was pregnant with Jesus and he lept for joy. That just sounds like someone is happy. (In the most violent book ever written by man.) I thought adults argued rationally. I remember that argument in high school. It carries no weight. If a child can experience joy in the womb it is a living creature. Its from a book of fiction. Awful lot of truth in there to be fiction...
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Deleted 2 years 1 month ago Posts: 54340	DeliGuy wrote: DebrisStorm wrote: DeliGuy wrote: DebrisStorm wrote: DeliGuy wrote: atticusfinch wrote: i have a question, like a serious one that's not trying to be all smartass or anything: exactly where in the bible does it specifically say that abortion is a sin? a lot of conservatives base their opinions on christian values. i know it directly says you cannot murder, but abortion cannot clearly be defined as murder by any one person. does it ever specifically say someone who has not been born is alive and considered a human being, therefore abortion is murder? In the New Testament, when John the Baptist was in his mother's womb, he heard Mary the mother of Christ telling his mother that she was pregnant with Jesus and he lept for joy. That just sounds like someone is happy. (In the most violent book ever written by man.) I thought adults argued rationally. I remember that argument in high school. It carries no weight. If a child can experience joy in the womb it is a living creature. Its from a book of fiction. Awful lot of truth in there to be fiction... No, just a lot of atrocities. And I'm being the grown up and leaving it at I'm right.

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DeliGuy 2 years 1 month ago Posts: 2852	How about this? How about we discuss things that we have actually studied in depth? That way we don't have to throw a bunch of one liners around that we heard as children.
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DeliGuy 2 years 1 month ago Posts: 2852	DebrisStorm wrote: DeliGuy wrote: DebrisStorm wrote: DeliGuy wrote: DebrisStorm wrote: DeliGuy wrote: atticusfinch wrote: i have a question, like a serious one that's not trying to be all smartass or anything: exactly where in the bible does it specifically say that abortion is a sin? a lot of conservatives base their opinions on christian values. i know it directly says you cannot murder, but abortion cannot clearly be defined as murder by any one person. does it ever specifically say someone who has not been born is alive and considered a human being, therefore abortion is murder? In the New Testament, when John the Baptist was in his mother's womb, he heard Mary the mother of Christ telling his mother that she was pregnant with Jesus and he lept for joy. That just sounds like someone is happy. (In the most violent book ever written by man.) I thought adults argued rationally. I remember that argument in high school. It carries no weight. If a child can experience joy in the womb it is a living creature. Its from a book of fiction. Awful lot of truth in there to be fiction... No, just a lot of atrocities. And I'm being the grown up and leaving it at I'm right. Right I can tell you are really studied on the topic. Fan of Dawkins are we? You still didn't address the fact that you said planned parenthood doesn't do abortions and there website says otherwise.
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Shazbot 2 years 1 month ago Posts: 4622	DeliGuy wrote: Awful lot of truth in there to be fiction... OR we could leave the Bible out now. You answered finch's question, that is probably enough, there's no need to struggle so hard to get the last word in. Start a new thread about the Bible, maybe.

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mysticwryter 2 years 1 month ago Posts: 2850	atticusfinch wrote: lol, this is the most active rj has been in so long... I agree.
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Shazbot 2 years 1 month ago Posts: 4622	mysticwryter wrote: atticusfinch wrote: lol, this is the most active rj has been in so long... I agree. What was your view on gay marriage? I think they should be allowed to be married.

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DeliGuy 2 years 1 month ago Posts: 2852	Shazbot wrote: mysticwryter wrote: atticusfinch wrote: lol, this is the most active rj has been in so long... I agree. What was your view on gay marriage? I think they should be allowed to be married. How about we stop this? LOL You all are trying to turn me into AmericanJedi... How about we discuss something actually retro.
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Shazbot 2 years 1 month ago Posts: 4622	DeliGuy wrote: Shazbot wrote: mysticwryter wrote: atticusfinch wrote: lol, this is the most active rj has been in so long... I agree. What was your view on gay marriage? I think they should be allowed to be married. How about we stop this? LOL You all are trying to turn me into AmericanJedi... How about we discuss something actually retro. Then don't respond. There are plenty of subforums where people talk retro stuff, this on is for "real world" stuff. (politics, etc)

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DeliGuy 2 years 1 month ago Posts: 2852	Shazbot wrote: DeliGuy wrote: Shazbot wrote: mysticwryter wrote: atticusfinch wrote: lol, this is the most active rj has been in so long... I agree. What was your view on gay marriage? I think they should be allowed to be married. How about we stop this? LOL You all are trying to turn me into AmericanJedi... How about we discuss something actually retro. Then don't respond. There are plenty of subforums where people talk retro stuff, this on is for "real world" stuff. (politics, etc) Easier said than done...
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Shazbot
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Well, i would guess by the Bible responses that you are against gay marriage.
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DeliGuy 2 years 1 month ago Posts: 2852	Shazbot wrote: Well, i would guess by the Bible responses that you are against gay marriage. I am. I don't think the government should or could ban a gay lifestyle, but I don't agree with them recognizing a homosexual couple being married. I mean people bash Christian for legistlating morality, but if they were to do this then they are legislating morality as well.
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mysticwryter 2 years 1 month ago Posts: 2850	I have friends who have been in relationships for quite some time. They even said they wouldn't want to get married. I asked them if it was the fear of being chastized, they said no. It was because they already have everything they want, why rub in people's faces who do not approve of it. You can't always expect people to go with the flow on things. This topic and the previous one will ALWAYS be the top 2 concerns with American politics. With aruging points whether they are good or bad, won't change the fact about others. Some people refuse change based on ignorance or the lack of the will while some will get to understand and accept things as they are. Honestly I don't care either way; if a gay/lesbian couple wants to get married, awesome; if not, then that's fine. This is another topic, I believe that shouldn't even matter with society. Why would you want to bring up your personal life to have a such a degrading response? here's something to think about: If majority of the population was gay or lesbian (like today we have heterosexuality) and one couple wanted to get married but wasn't of the same sex, would the same reaction be applied? I believe so. Also bi-sexual folks would have more scrutiny over it because of liking both homo and hetero sexual relationships.
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