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| DebrisStorm wrote: DeliGuy wrote: DebrisStorm wrote: DeliGuy wrote: I don't see why my tax dollars should go to fund any group that is murdering children. Jefferson said To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. Its not the governments place to fund this. I don't see how anyone can argue for abortion. Its taking the life of a child. If you don't want the child, I know plenty of people that are looking to adopt. I have never seen the validity of back alley v.s. legal abortion. You are saying one life is more important than another. You are saying save one individal by killing a completely innocent one. People have been brain washed into believing this junk and one day will accept euthanasia as well. They're not children. They're a parasite. They aren't a child until birth. End of discussion. Oh the almighty debrisstorm ended the discussion with his decree. They are a child. Watch an ultrasound and tell me otherwise. Watch a little baby in the womb smile when you talk to them and tell me that. You and everyone that holds that view of children are warped in the head. Watch the insults there. Planned Parenthood doesn't do any abortions. They do exams, (pregnancy, cancer, health, ect), pass out contraceptives, discuss options. And yes, I do support abortions. Its the woman's body. Nothing you or I can change her mind on what she wants to do with it. And your right, DebrisStorm. It's up the woman to decide what's best. Now a days if a woman does decide, she's basically shunned and chastized in society just because she thought she was doing the right thing. When it comes to a debatable topic like this, there's going to be said words that will fly right out just to voice an opinion. I understand some do need to speak their mind. A lot of religious fashions are somehow contributed with the idea of aborition; kinda like gay marriage (I will not get into that just so we don't start another uproar if anyone is against.) Here, lemme say this: When Person A does something out of the norm than what Person B, it's considered to be wrong. |
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| DebrisStorm wrote: DeliGuy wrote: DebrisStorm wrote: DeliGuy wrote: I don't see why my tax dollars should go to fund any group that is murdering children. Jefferson said To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. Its not the governments place to fund this. I don't see how anyone can argue for abortion. Its taking the life of a child. If you don't want the child, I know plenty of people that are looking to adopt. I have never seen the validity of back alley v.s. legal abortion. You are saying one life is more important than another. You are saying save one individal by killing a completely innocent one. People have been brain washed into believing this junk and one day will accept euthanasia as well. They're not children. They're a parasite. They aren't a child until birth. End of discussion. Oh the almighty debrisstorm ended the discussion with his decree. They are a child. Watch an ultrasound and tell me otherwise. Watch a little baby in the womb smile when you talk to them and tell me that. You and everyone that holds that view of children are warped in the head. Watch the insults there. Planned Parenthood doesn't do any abortions. They do exams, (pregnancy, cancer, health, ect), pass out contraceptives, discuss options. And yes, I do support abortions. Its the woman's body. Nothing you or I can change her mind on what she wants to do with it. This is from their site "Abortions are available at many Planned Parenthood health centers, clinics, and the offices of private health care providers. Use our health center locator to find the nearest Planned Parenthood health center that offers abortion services. If there is not a health center nearby that provides the abortion services you need, call your nearest center for a list of referrals." So how can you say they don't do them? You can support abortion all you want. You have that right. However, I have the right to believe that it is murder plain and simple and don't see the logic that values a womans life over that of her child. As far as insults, don't use words like parasites when speaking of innocent children and I won't. You incite a fight with that and I will. |
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| DeliGuy wrote: DebrisStorm wrote: DeliGuy wrote: DebrisStorm wrote: DeliGuy wrote: I don't see why my tax dollars should go to fund any group that is murdering children. Jefferson said To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. Its not the governments place to fund this. I don't see how anyone can argue for abortion. Its taking the life of a child. If you don't want the child, I know plenty of people that are looking to adopt. I have never seen the validity of back alley v.s. legal abortion. You are saying one life is more important than another. You are saying save one individal by killing a completely innocent one. People have been brain washed into believing this junk and one day will accept euthanasia as well. They're not children. They're a parasite. They aren't a child until birth. End of discussion. Oh the almighty debrisstorm ended the discussion with his decree. They are a child. Watch an ultrasound and tell me otherwise. Watch a little baby in the womb smile when you talk to them and tell me that. You and everyone that holds that view of children are warped in the head. Watch the insults there. Planned Parenthood doesn't do any abortions. They do exams, (pregnancy, cancer, health, ect), pass out contraceptives, discuss options. And yes, I do support abortions. Its the woman's body. Nothing you or I can change her mind on what she wants to do with it. This is from their site "Abortions are available at many Planned Parenthood health centers, clinics, and the offices of private health care providers. Use our health center locator to find the nearest Planned Parenthood health center that offers abortion services. If there is not a health center nearby that provides the abortion services you need, call your nearest center for a list of referrals." So how can you say they don't do them? You can support abortion all you want. You have that right. However, I have the right to believe that it is murder plain and simple and don't see the logic that values a womans life over that of her child. As far as insults, don't use words like parasites when speaking of innocent children and I won't. You incite a fight with that and I will. Have you ever looked up the definition of the word "parasite"? dictionary.com wrote: an animal or plant that lives in or on another (the host) from which it obtains nourishment. The host does not benefit from the association and is often harmed by it Technically Debris is correct in the usage of the word, that is until the baby is born. And that is hardly a good excuse to insult him. |
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| mysticwryter wrote: A lot of religious fashions are somehow contributed with the idea of aborition; kinda like gay marriage (I will not get into that just so we don't start another uproar if anyone is against.) Go ahead and get into it, the thread is Liberal vs.Conservative, it doesn't just have to be about abortion. |
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| DeliGuy wrote: DebrisStorm wrote: DeliGuy wrote: DebrisStorm wrote: DeliGuy wrote: I don't see why my tax dollars should go to fund any group that is murdering children. Jefferson said To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. Its not the governments place to fund this. I don't see how anyone can argue for abortion. Its taking the life of a child. If you don't want the child, I know plenty of people that are looking to adopt. I have never seen the validity of back alley v.s. legal abortion. You are saying one life is more important than another. You are saying save one individal by killing a completely innocent one. People have been brain washed into believing this junk and one day will accept euthanasia as well. They're not children. They're a parasite. They aren't a child until birth. End of discussion. Oh the almighty debrisstorm ended the discussion with his decree. They are a child. Watch an ultrasound and tell me otherwise. Watch a little baby in the womb smile when you talk to them and tell me that. You and everyone that holds that view of children are warped in the head. Watch the insults there. Planned Parenthood doesn't do any abortions. They do exams, (pregnancy, cancer, health, ect), pass out contraceptives, discuss options. And yes, I do support abortions. Its the woman's body. Nothing you or I can change her mind on what she wants to do with it. This is from their site "Abortions are available at many Planned Parenthood health centers, clinics, and the offices of private health care providers. Use our health center locator to find the nearest Planned Parenthood health center that offers abortion services. If there is not a health center nearby that provides the abortion services you need, call your nearest center for a list of referrals." So how can you say they don't do them? You can support abortion all you want. You have that right. However, I have the right to believe that it is murder plain and simple and don't see the logic that values a womans life over that of her child. As far as insults, don't use words like parasites when speaking of innocent children and I won't. You incite a fight with that and I will. I didn't know that calling a theoretical child a parasite was an insult at anyone. But let me ask this, if a mother's life was in trouble, and it was either abort the baby so the mother could live, or don't and both die? You'd choose to let both die? Doesn't that make you a murderer of the mother? Why let a good woman die? What about if it was in the case of incest or rape? You'd rather let the woman suffer? Get some priorities here. It sounds like you're a misogynist. |
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| DeliGuy wrote: DebrisStorm wrote: DeliGuy wrote: DebrisStorm wrote: DeliGuy wrote: I don't see why my tax dollars should go to fund any group that is murdering children. Jefferson said To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. Its not the governments place to fund this. I don't see how anyone can argue for abortion. Its taking the life of a child. If you don't want the child, I know plenty of people that are looking to adopt. I have never seen the validity of back alley v.s. legal abortion. You are saying one life is more important than another. You are saying save one individal by killing a completely innocent one. People have been brain washed into believing this junk and one day will accept euthanasia as well. They're not children. They're a parasite. They aren't a child until birth. End of discussion. Oh the almighty debrisstorm ended the discussion with his decree. They are a child. Watch an ultrasound and tell me otherwise. Watch a little baby in the womb smile when you talk to them and tell me that. You and everyone that holds that view of children are warped in the head. Watch the insults there. Planned Parenthood doesn't do any abortions. They do exams, (pregnancy, cancer, health, ect), pass out contraceptives, discuss options. And yes, I do support abortions. Its the woman's body. Nothing you or I can change her mind on what she wants to do with it. This is from their site "Abortions are available at many Planned Parenthood health centers, clinics, and the offices of private health care providers. Use our health center locator to find the nearest Planned Parenthood health center that offers abortion services. If there is not a health center nearby that provides the abortion services you need, call your nearest center for a list of referrals." So how can you say they don't do them? You can support abortion all you want. You have that right. However, I have the right to believe that it is murder plain and simple and don't see the logic that values a womans life over that of her child. As far as insults, don't use words like parasites when speaking of innocent children and I won't. You incite a fight with that and I will. My reason and cognative thinking why aborition is horrible is the fact that it's been used as a method of birth control and it's not. In all honestly you can have an abortion with even w/o doing the procedure; miscarrying. In that form, it's natural and it's not so gravely looked upon. If someone doesn't want to have a baby and didn't take the right measures, then look at other options. It's just so many people have decided to have abortions to not have a baby period. That there is pure stupidity. Other factors depend (rape, mother's life, etc). So I can see where you are coming from, DeliGuy. Like I said before, it's all based on how the person percieves the fact. |
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| atticusfinch wrote: Shazbot wrote: mysticwryter wrote: ***Rape victims and those who cannot deliver a baby due to health risks, that's still a grey area and I would understand given the right reason.*** Personally i don't think it should be a grey area at all. A rape victim should not be subjected to a further 9 months of emotional agony just because someone thinks she'd be a murderer if she had an abortion. Let her have the abortion if she so feels and anyone who doesn't like it can go pray for the fetus' soul if they think it'll do anyone any good. a rape victim will be subjected to emotional agony the rest of his or her life whether or not a child is involved. i know several people who are products of rape and living with their biological mothers. one of them is living with his biological mother and a step father and has siblings and they have a good home and they are happy people and you'd never guess that he was born from such a situation. i'm sure his mother still has emotional problems but i'm so proud of her for living the life she does. the other two are miserable. their mothers were forced by their mothers to keep their children and raise them because their religion said they had to. one has turned to drugs, the other has severe emotional problems that have affected her mothering skills her whole life. i just think it's an interesting perspective on what happens when a child who was conceived through rape is not aborted. you never really know how they will end up. i know that all of my friends struggle from depression and severe anxiety because they have to go around knowing that they are a product of rape. my friend who ended up in a good place is very close with his mother and my other friends... they're not doing so good. just sayin. As long as the victim has the choice. |
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| Shazbot wrote: atticusfinch wrote: Shazbot wrote: mysticwryter wrote: ***Rape victims and those who cannot deliver a baby due to health risks, that's still a grey area and I would understand given the right reason.*** Personally i don't think it should be a grey area at all. A rape victim should not be subjected to a further 9 months of emotional agony just because someone thinks she'd be a murderer if she had an abortion. Let her have the abortion if she so feels and anyone who doesn't like it can go pray for the fetus' soul if they think it'll do anyone any good. a rape victim will be subjected to emotional agony the rest of his or her life whether or not a child is involved. i know several people who are products of rape and living with their biological mothers. one of them is living with his biological mother and a step father and has siblings and they have a good home and they are happy people and you'd never guess that he was born from such a situation. i'm sure his mother still has emotional problems but i'm so proud of her for living the life she does. the other two are miserable. their mothers were forced by their mothers to keep their children and raise them because their religion said they had to. one has turned to drugs, the other has severe emotional problems that have affected her mothering skills her whole life. i just think it's an interesting perspective on what happens when a child who was conceived through rape is not aborted. you never really know how they will end up. i know that all of my friends struggle from depression and severe anxiety because they have to go around knowing that they are a product of rape. my friend who ended up in a good place is very close with his mother and my other friends... they're not doing so good. just sayin. As long as the victim has the choice. That's what some people say about it. It's all up to the person/victim. |
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| atticusfinch wrote: i have a question, like a serious one that's not trying to be all smartass or anything: exactly where in the bible does it specifically say that abortion is a sin? a lot of conservatives base their opinions on christian values. i know it directly says you cannot murder, but abortion cannot clearly be defined as murder by any one person. does it ever specifically say someone who has not been born is alive and considered a human being, therefore abortion is murder? Well, DeliGuy decreed it was. So it must be so. |
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| atticusfinch wrote: i have a question, like a serious one that's not trying to be all smartass or anything: exactly where in the bible does it specifically say that abortion is a sin? a lot of conservatives base their opinions on christian values. i know it directly says you cannot murder, but abortion cannot clearly be defined as murder by any one person. does it ever specifically say someone who has not been born is alive and considered a human being, therefore abortion is murder? That's a very good question. |
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| DebrisStorm wrote: DeliGuy wrote: DebrisStorm wrote: DeliGuy wrote: DebrisStorm wrote: DeliGuy wrote: I don't see why my tax dollars should go to fund any group that is murdering children. Jefferson said To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. Its not the governments place to fund this. I don't see how anyone can argue for abortion. Its taking the life of a child. If you don't want the child, I know plenty of people that are looking to adopt. I have never seen the validity of back alley v.s. legal abortion. You are saying one life is more important than another. You are saying save one individal by killing a completely innocent one. People have been brain washed into believing this junk and one day will accept euthanasia as well. They're not children. They're a parasite. They aren't a child until birth. End of discussion. Oh the almighty debrisstorm ended the discussion with his decree. They are a child. Watch an ultrasound and tell me otherwise. Watch a little baby in the womb smile when you talk to them and tell me that. You and everyone that holds that view of children are warped in the head. Watch the insults there. Planned Parenthood doesn't do any abortions. They do exams, (pregnancy, cancer, health, ect), pass out contraceptives, discuss options. And yes, I do support abortions. Its the woman's body. Nothing you or I can change her mind on what she wants to do with it. This is from their site "Abortions are available at many Planned Parenthood health centers, clinics, and the offices of private health care providers. Use our health center locator to find the nearest Planned Parenthood health center that offers abortion services. If there is not a health center nearby that provides the abortion services you need, call your nearest center for a list of referrals." So how can you say they don't do them? You can support abortion all you want. You have that right. However, I have the right to believe that it is murder plain and simple and don't see the logic that values a womans life over that of her child. As far as insults, don't use words like parasites when speaking of innocent children and I won't. You incite a fight with that and I will. I didn't know that calling a theoretical child a parasite was an insult at anyone. But let me ask this, if a mother's life was in trouble, and it was either abort the baby so the mother could live, or don't and both die? You'd choose to let both die? Doesn't that make you a murderer of the mother? Why let a good woman die? What about if it was in the case of incest or rape? You'd rather let the woman suffer? Get some priorities here. It sounds like you're a misogynist. Actually I know men and women who have been doctors for 20+ year and have never seen a case of pregnancy due to rape or incest. Not saying it doesn't happen, but on an extremely small scale. I also know women who were told that if they didn't have an abortion they would die and have a healthy child b/c they didn't believe the doc. I'm sure thats not always the case. But lets be honest a vast majority of women that have these abortions have them b/c they don't want to deal with having a kid. Don't try to act like you are doing this b/c you have priorities. No I am not a misogynist. Should I label you as a child hater b/c of your views? |
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| DeliGuy wrote: DebrisStorm wrote: DeliGuy wrote: DebrisStorm wrote: DeliGuy wrote: DebrisStorm wrote: DeliGuy wrote: I don't see why my tax dollars should go to fund any group that is murdering children. Jefferson said To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. Its not the governments place to fund this. I don't see how anyone can argue for abortion. Its taking the life of a child. If you don't want the child, I know plenty of people that are looking to adopt. I have never seen the validity of back alley v.s. legal abortion. You are saying one life is more important than another. You are saying save one individal by killing a completely innocent one. People have been brain washed into believing this junk and one day will accept euthanasia as well. They're not children. They're a parasite. They aren't a child until birth. End of discussion. Oh the almighty debrisstorm ended the discussion with his decree. They are a child. Watch an ultrasound and tell me otherwise. Watch a little baby in the womb smile when you talk to them and tell me that. You and everyone that holds that view of children are warped in the head. Watch the insults there. Planned Parenthood doesn't do any abortions. They do exams, (pregnancy, cancer, health, ect), pass out contraceptives, discuss options. And yes, I do support abortions. Its the woman's body. Nothing you or I can change her mind on what she wants to do with it. This is from their site "Abortions are available at many Planned Parenthood health centers, clinics, and the offices of private health care providers. Use our health center locator to find the nearest Planned Parenthood health center that offers abortion services. If there is not a health center nearby that provides the abortion services you need, call your nearest center for a list of referrals." So how can you say they don't do them? You can support abortion all you want. You have that right. However, I have the right to believe that it is murder plain and simple and don't see the logic that values a womans life over that of her child. As far as insults, don't use words like parasites when speaking of innocent children and I won't. You incite a fight with that and I will. I didn't know that calling a theoretical child a parasite was an insult at anyone. But let me ask this, if a mother's life was in trouble, and it was either abort the baby so the mother could live, or don't and both die? You'd choose to let both die? Doesn't that make you a murderer of the mother? Why let a good woman die? What about if it was in the case of incest or rape? You'd rather let the woman suffer? Get some priorities here. It sounds like you're a misogynist. Actually I know men and women who have been doctors for 20+ year and have never seen a case of pregnancy due to rape or incest. Not saying it doesn't happen, but on an extremely small scale. I also know women who were told that if they didn't have an abortion they would die and have a healthy child b/c they didn't believe the doc. I'm sure thats not always the case. But lets be honest a vast majority of women that have these abortions have them b/c they don't want to deal with having a kid. Don't try to act like you are doing this b/c you have priorities. No I am not a misogynist. Should I label you as a child hater b/c of your views? Then I guess that there needs to be more influence of adoption. If someone didn't want to have a child and have sex without protection, it's their fault. Don't blame your mistakes on something that had nothing to do with your decisions. |
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| DeliGuy wrote: Actually I know men and women who have been doctors for 20+ year and have never seen a case of pregnancy due to rape or incest. Not saying it doesn't happen, but on an extremely small scale. I also know women who were told that if they didn't have an abortion they would die and have a healthy child b/c they didn't believe the doc. I'm sure thats not always the case. But lets be honest a vast majority of women that have these abortions have them b/c they don't want to deal with having a kid. Don't try to act like you are doing this b/c you have priorities. No I am not a misogynist. Should I label you as a child hater b/c of your views? You never answered the questions. You just dodged the questions. And I don't hate children. I just don't like them. They're fine if they belong to someone else, because they eventually go away. |
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| atticusfinch wrote: i have a question, like a serious one that's not trying to be all smartass or anything: exactly where in the bible does it specifically say that abortion is a sin? a lot of conservatives base their opinions on christian values. i know it directly says you cannot murder, but abortion cannot clearly be defined as murder by any one person. does it ever specifically say someone who has not been born is alive and considered a human being, therefore abortion is murder? In the New Testament, when John the Baptist was in his mother's womb, he heard Mary the mother of Christ telling his mother that she was pregnant with Jesus and he lept for joy. |
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| atticusfinch wrote: DebrisStorm wrote: atticusfinch wrote: i have a question, like a serious one that's not trying to be all smartass or anything: exactly where in the bible does it specifically say that abortion is a sin? a lot of conservatives base their opinions on christian values. i know it directly says you cannot murder, but abortion cannot clearly be defined as murder by any one person. does it ever specifically say someone who has not been born is alive and considered a human being, therefore abortion is murder? Well, DeliGuy decreed it was. So it must be so. i'd like an excerpt Debris upset b/c I didn't cower down when he called babies parasites. |
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| If a woman is raped and thinks she might get pregnant there is the morning after pill. Problem solved! Coming back 3 month later and saying you were rape....I don't know. Unless you were locked up, it is a little late. Like Deli said abortion due to rape is a small %. |
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| mysticwryter wrote: DeliGuy wrote: DebrisStorm wrote: DeliGuy wrote: DebrisStorm wrote: DeliGuy wrote: DebrisStorm wrote: DeliGuy wrote: I don't see why my tax dollars should go to fund any group that is murdering children. Jefferson said To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. Its not the governments place to fund this. I don't see how anyone can argue for abortion. Its taking the life of a child. If you don't want the child, I know plenty of people that are looking to adopt. I have never seen the validity of back alley v.s. legal abortion. You are saying one life is more important than another. You are saying save one individal by killing a completely innocent one. People have been brain washed into believing this junk and one day will accept euthanasia as well. They're not children. They're a parasite. They aren't a child until birth. End of discussion. Oh the almighty debrisstorm ended the discussion with his decree. They are a child. Watch an ultrasound and tell me otherwise. Watch a little baby in the womb smile when you talk to them and tell me that. You and everyone that holds that view of children are warped in the head. Watch the insults there. Planned Parenthood doesn't do any abortions. They do exams, (pregnancy, cancer, health, ect), pass out contraceptives, discuss options. And yes, I do support abortions. Its the woman's body. Nothing you or I can change her mind on what she wants to do with it. This is from their site "Abortions are available at many Planned Parenthood health centers, clinics, and the offices of private health care providers. Use our health center locator to find the nearest Planned Parenthood health center that offers abortion services. If there is not a health center nearby that provides the abortion services you need, call your nearest center for a list of referrals." So how can you say they don't do them? You can support abortion all you want. You have that right. However, I have the right to believe that it is murder plain and simple and don't see the logic that values a womans life over that of her child. As far as insults, don't use words like parasites when speaking of innocent children and I won't. You incite a fight with that and I will. I didn't know that calling a theoretical child a parasite was an insult at anyone. But let me ask this, if a mother's life was in trouble, and it was either abort the baby so the mother could live, or don't and both die? You'd choose to let both die? Doesn't that make you a murderer of the mother? Why let a good woman die? What about if it was in the case of incest or rape? You'd rather let the woman suffer? Get some priorities here. It sounds like you're a misogynist. Actually I know men and women who have been doctors for 20+ year and have never seen a case of pregnancy due to rape or incest. Not saying it doesn't happen, but on an extremely small scale. I also know women who were told that if they didn't have an abortion they would die and have a healthy child b/c they didn't believe the doc. I'm sure thats not always the case. But lets be honest a vast majority of women that have these abortions have them b/c they don't want to deal with having a kid. Don't try to act like you are doing this b/c you have priorities. No I am not a misogynist. Should I label you as a child hater b/c of your views? Then I guess that there needs to be more influence of adoption. If someone didn't want to have a child and have sex without protection, it's their fault. Don't blame your mistakes on something that had nothing to do with your decisions. There are centers out there that do that, but cannot accept funding b/c of religious affiliation. |
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| DeliGuy wrote: atticusfinch wrote: i have a question, like a serious one that's not trying to be all smartass or anything: exactly where in the bible does it specifically say that abortion is a sin? a lot of conservatives base their opinions on christian values. i know it directly says you cannot murder, but abortion cannot clearly be defined as murder by any one person. does it ever specifically say someone who has not been born is alive and considered a human being, therefore abortion is murder? In the New Testament, when John the Baptist was in his mother's womb, he heard Mary the mother of Christ telling his mother that she was pregnant with Jesus and he lept for joy. That just sounds like someone is happy. (In the most violent book ever written by man.) |
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