• avatar
    • 2 years 7 months ago
    • Posts: 4622
    bassman21 wrote:
    That's right we don't know. IMHO the notion that the universe was created by a higher power makes more sense. Just look at how complex the human body is and the cycles in nature. Yes we have evolved, but everything fits too perfectly or as perfect as possible. It's just too complex and too many accidents.


    The complexity and "accidents" may just be a result of time and space. However DNA was first introduced on Earth it has had millions and millions and millions of years to change, complexity may just be a result. Here's a loose analogy: let's say there is a giant inland glacier that melts into streams that create beautiful and complex-looking valleys and serpentine tributaries. The visual design that results is a product of eons of time, gravity, temperature, etc. It did not, necessarily need divine intervention to create its specific geological structures.

    bassman21 wrote:
    As for peoples perception of a God; why has every know civilization been drawn to the spirits? Their stories of how we came to be were even similar. Are they right? I don't know. However it will not kill anyone to just give millions of people the benefit of the doubt and just accept that there might be a possibility of a god.


    To me it seems like human nature to assign supernatural properties to anything that we fail to comprehend. We have also always feared death and wondered if anything lies afterward. Those two attributes, to me, may be enough to explain why there has always been evidence of people revering spirits and Gods.

    Personally, i have no problem believing in a higher power. But to give this higher power human attributes, a gender and a name may be way off base for all we know.
    Are you sure you want to delete this post? Yes | No
  • avatar
    • 2 years 7 months ago
    • Posts: 4622
    Like i said before, part of the problem of such debates is the perception that any disagreement in any particular aspect of spirituality is generally seen as an affront to one's personal beliefs and is generally met with hostility, when it should be met with curiosity.
    Are you sure you want to delete this post? Yes | No
  • avatar
    • 2 years 7 months ago
    • Posts: 3054
    bassman21 wrote:
    No one can answer what sparked the life that lead to evolution. When the earth was formed it was too hot for any life to be sustained, even bacteria. Even when the earth cooled it would have been a sterile environment even with the presents of water. So where or how did life form from a big ball of fire? How could the complex DNA structure of life form? When you look at DNA it is like a complex computer program. This all happened just by accident? Sorry not buying it.


    I couldn't have said it any better.

    Shazbot wrote:
    thabz wrote:

    That doesn't change the fact those ass-holes had to make something up to fool everyone.


    Quoted for epic, intergalactic, super irony.


    ... :? meaning?

    Shazbot wrote:
    The complexity and "accidents" may just be a result of time and space. However DNA was first introduced on Earth it has had millions and millions and millions of years to change, complexity may just be a result. Here's a loose analogy: let's say there is a giant inland glacier that melts into streams that create beautiful and complex-looking valleys and serpentine tributaries. The visual design that results is a product of eons of time, gravity, temperature, etc. It did not, necessarily need divine intervention to create its specific geological structures.


    Even the way rain, hurricanes, tornadoes, etc, are formed are also complex Eco-systems put in place by God which sustains our planet. Its like saying a car engine is 'magical' (all you do is turn a key and voila!). But someone had to make it that way so it appears so, right?

    As for Adam & Eve? All I can say is that scientists are able to separate a water molecule in Hydrogen and Oxygen but can't do the reverse to back that molecule.
    Tell me how I'm supposed to breathe with no air?
    Can't live, can't breathe with no air
    Are you sure you want to delete this post? Yes | No
  • Deleted
    • 2 years 7 months ago
    • Posts: 54340
    Geroge Carlin believed in Joe Pesci. The man was a philosopher.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPOfurmrjxo
    Are you sure you want to delete this post? Yes | No
  • avatar
    • 2 years 7 months ago
    • Posts: 4622
    thabz wrote:
    Shazbot wrote:
    thabz wrote:

    That doesn't change the fact those ass-holes had to make something up to fool everyone.


    Quoted for epic, intergalactic, super irony.


    ... :? meaning?

    Shazbot wrote:
    The complexity and "accidents" may just be a result of time and space. However DNA was first introduced on Earth it has had millions and millions and millions of years to change, complexity may just be a result. Here's a loose analogy: let's say there is a giant inland glacier that melts into streams that create beautiful and complex-looking valleys and serpentine tributaries. The visual design that results is a product of eons of time, gravity, temperature, etc. It did not, necessarily need divine intervention to create its specific geological structures.


    Even the way rain, hurricanes, tornadoes, etc, are formed are also complex Eco-systems put in place by God which sustains our planet. Its like saying saying a car engine is 'magical' (all you do is turn a key and voila!). But someone had to make that way so it appears so, right?


    Actually, to me that is more like saying, "i don't know how this was put together, so it must be proof that God exists."
    Are you sure you want to delete this post? Yes | No
  • avatar
    • 2 years 7 months ago
    • Posts: 4622
    thabz wrote:

    As for Adam & Eve? All I can say is that scientists are able to separate a water molecule in Hydrogen and Oxygen but can't do the reverse to back that molecule.


    How does that relate to Adam and Eve? Science has its limitations because it is always progressing with our combined knowledge. If you asked someone in the year 1200, they would have told you that God made the world flat. Evenually we knew better, the planet is not flat. We even know why it is not flat. Not having an answer to something now does not make it utterly and ultimately unknowable.
    Are you sure you want to delete this post? Yes | No
  • avatar
    • 2 years 7 months ago
    • Posts: 3054
    Shazbot wrote:
    thabz wrote:
    Shazbot wrote:
    thabz wrote:

    That doesn't change the fact those ass-holes had to make something up to fool everyone.


    Quoted for epic, intergalactic, super irony.


    ... :? meaning?

    Shazbot wrote:
    The complexity and "accidents" may just be a result of time and space. However DNA was first introduced on Earth it has had millions and millions and millions of years to change, complexity may just be a result. Here's a loose analogy: let's say there is a giant inland glacier that melts into streams that create beautiful and complex-looking valleys and serpentine tributaries. The visual design that results is a product of eons of time, gravity, temperature, etc. It did not, necessarily need divine intervention to create its specific geological structures.


    Even the way rain, hurricanes, tornadoes, etc, are formed are also complex Eco-systems put in place by God which sustains our planet. Its like saying saying a car engine is 'magical' (all you do is turn a key and voila!). But someone had to make that way so it appears so, right?


    Actually, to me that is more like saying, "i don't know how this was put together, so it must be proof that God exists."


    Yup, that's why man is curious through science to further prove His existence. If you're car won't start are you going to go straight to a mechanic/garage or first see what's the problem before you spend some bucks?
    Tell me how I'm supposed to breathe with no air?
    Can't live, can't breathe with no air
    Are you sure you want to delete this post? Yes | No
  • avatar
    • 2 years 7 months ago
    • Posts: 4622
    DebrisStorm wrote:
    Geroge Carlin believed in Joe Pesci. The man was a philosopher.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPOfurmrjxo


    Man, i actually shed a tear or two when he died. He was such a fucking cool guy.
    Are you sure you want to delete this post? Yes | No
  • avatar
    • 2 years 7 months ago
    • Posts: 4622
    thabz wrote:
    Shazbot wrote:
    thabz wrote:
    Shazbot wrote:
    thabz wrote:

    That doesn't change the fact those ass-holes had to make something up to fool everyone.


    Quoted for epic, intergalactic, super irony.


    ... :? meaning?

    Shazbot wrote:
    The complexity and "accidents" may just be a result of time and space. However DNA was first introduced on Earth it has had millions and millions and millions of years to change, complexity may just be a result. Here's a loose analogy: let's say there is a giant inland glacier that melts into streams that create beautiful and complex-looking valleys and serpentine tributaries. The visual design that results is a product of eons of time, gravity, temperature, etc. It did not, necessarily need divine intervention to create its specific geological structures.


    Even the way rain, hurricanes, tornadoes, etc, are formed are also complex Eco-systems put in place by God which sustains our planet. Its like saying saying a car engine is 'magical' (all you do is turn a key and voila!). But someone had to make that way so it appears so, right?


    Actually, to me that is more like saying, "i don't know how this was put together, so it must be proof that God exists."


    Yup, that's why man is curious through science to further prove His existence. If you're car won't start are you going to straight to a mechanic/garage or first see what's the problem before you spend some bucks?


    Science still hasn't proven God's existence any more than it has disproven it. Besides, if i don't understand it, it must be divine.
    Are you sure you want to delete this post? Yes | No
  • avatar
    • 2 years 7 months ago
    • Posts: 3054
    Shazbot wrote:
    thabz wrote:

    As for Adam & Eve? All I can say is that scientists are able to separate a water molecule in Hydrogen and Oxygen but can't do the reverse to back that molecule.


    How does that relate to Adam and Eve? Science has its limitations because it is always progressing with our combined knowledge. If you asked someone in the year 1200, they would have told you that God made the world flat. Evenually we knew better, the planet is not flat. We even know why it is not flat. Not having an answer to something now does not make it utterly and ultimately unknowable.


    I agree there still things we don't fully know till we investigate them. The Adma & Eve thing you asked earlier; Some things when broken can't be fixed was the point I trying to put across. They werre made from dust but you can't get back that dust. How was it possible they were made from dust?

    Shazbot wrote:
    Science has its limitations because it is always progressing with our combined knowledge.


    Same thing with religion.
    Tell me how I'm supposed to breathe with no air?
    Can't live, can't breathe with no air
    Are you sure you want to delete this post? Yes | No
  • avatar
    • 2 years 7 months ago
    • Posts: 3054
    Shazbot wrote:
    Science still hasn't proven God's existence any more than it has disproven it. Besides, if i don't understand it, it must be divine.


    Are you going to say the same things about what David Copperfield, David Blaine, and Darren Brown do and accept it as magic (with the latter preferring the term Psychological Illusionist)?
    Tell me how I'm supposed to breathe with no air?
    Can't live, can't breathe with no air
    Are you sure you want to delete this post? Yes | No
  • avatar
    • 2 years 7 months ago
    • Posts: 4622
    thabz wrote:
    They werre made from dust but you can't get back that dust. How was it possible they were made from dust?


    I don't believe that it is possible that they were made directly from dust.
    Are you sure you want to delete this post? Yes | No
  • avatar
    • 2 years 7 months ago
    • Posts: 4622
    thabz wrote:
    Shazbot wrote:
    Science still hasn't proven God's existence any more than it has disproven it. Besides, if i don't understand it, it must be divine.


    Are you going to say the same things about what David Copperfield, David Blaine, Darren Brown do and accept it as magic as magic (with the latter preferring the term Psychological Illusionist)?


    No, what i meant was that using the excuse that we don't understand how something came to be is not necessarily proof in itself that there is a sentient God who created it.
    Are you sure you want to delete this post? Yes | No
  • avatar
    • 2 years 7 months ago
    • Posts: 3054
    Well put, 'dust' here can refer to DNA strands or Carbon molecules that made them. Remember, back then words were limited.

    But hey, thats just me.
    Tell me how I'm supposed to breathe with no air?
    Can't live, can't breathe with no air
    Are you sure you want to delete this post? Yes | No
  • avatar
    • 2 years 7 months ago
    • Posts: 4622
    thabz wrote:

    Shazbot wrote:
    Science has its limitations because it is always progressing with our combined knowledge.


    Same thing with religion.


    That is probably true too, sice religion was created by man.
    Are you sure you want to delete this post? Yes | No
  • avatar
    • 2 years 7 months ago
    • Posts: 4622
    thabz wrote:
    Well put, 'dust' here can refer to DNA strands or Carbon molecules that made them.

    But hey, thats just me.


    Right, but those strands may have taken millions of years to evolve and change. From single cells, to plankton, to animals, to us. As opposed to the idea that two people sprang to life already as adults.
    Are you sure you want to delete this post? Yes | No
  • avatar
    • 2 years 7 months ago
    • Posts: 3054
    Shazbot wrote:
    thabz wrote:

    Shazbot wrote:
    Science has its limitations because it is always progressing with our combined knowledge.


    Same thing with religion.


    That is probably true too, sice religion was created by man.


    ...Who misunderstands God.
    Tell me how I'm supposed to breathe with no air?
    Can't live, can't breathe with no air
    Are you sure you want to delete this post? Yes | No
  • avatar
    • 2 years 7 months ago
    • Posts: 3054
    Shazbot wrote:
    thabz wrote:
    Well put, 'dust' here can refer to DNA strands or Carbon molecules that made them.

    But hey, thats just me.


    Right, but those strands may have taken millions of years to evolve and change. From single cells, to plankton, to animals, to us. As opposed to the idea that two people sprang to life already as adults.


    It only took a week, as opposed to the millions science refers to.
    Tell me how I'm supposed to breathe with no air?
    Can't live, can't breathe with no air
    Are you sure you want to delete this post? Yes | No
  • avatar
    • 2 years 7 months ago
    • Posts: 4622
    thabz wrote:
    Shazbot wrote:
    thabz wrote:

    Shazbot wrote:
    Science has its limitations because it is always progressing with our combined knowledge.


    Same thing with religion.


    That is probably true too, sice religion was created by man.


    ...Who misunderstands God.


    ...which may just be, in essence, the very DNA we talked about, with no actual intelligence or sentience to speak of.

    Like i said, the belief in a higher power of some kind is not necessarily unreasonable, it just seems incredibly improbable and unlikely to me that God is as the religions say; male, sentient, omnipresent, omnipotent, jealous, vengeful, forgiving, etc.
    Are you sure you want to delete this post? Yes | No
  • avatar
    • 2 years 7 months ago
    • Posts: 4622
    thabz wrote:
    Shazbot wrote:
    thabz wrote:
    Well put, 'dust' here can refer to DNA strands or Carbon molecules that made them.

    But hey, thats just me.


    Right, but those strands may have taken millions of years to evolve and change. From single cells, to plankton, to animals, to us. As opposed to the idea that two people sprang to life already as adults.


    It only took a week, as opposed to the millions science refers to.


    Well, according to the Bible, it didn't really take a week. He was not working on us as a project over those days, he basically snapped his fingers and we appeared instantly once the seas and sky and everything were made. It is simply too ludicrous, in my opinion, to be taken literally.
    Are you sure you want to delete this post? Yes | No
© Retro Junk | Contact | Report a Bug | Privacy Policy | Advertise