Guy arrested for calling cops nazi's.

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    JCU wrote:
    The moron in the video is a clear representation of what's wrong with our country. No where does the Constitution give you the right to say ANYTHING you want yet far too many uneducated fools seem to think otherwise. There are consequences for actions.

    Besides obstruction and disorderly, I'd consider tacking on harassment (provided Arkansas has that on the books).


    Are you reading the same Constitution that the rest of the country ? Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. It says "freedom of speech" not "freedom of speech......except this, this, and this. Oh, and you can't say this until after this time and can't say this at this place"

    You have an odd idea of what freedom means.
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    VHSer wrote:
    JCU wrote:
    The moron in the video is a clear representation of what's wrong with our country. No where does the Constitution give you the right to say ANYTHING you want yet far too many uneducated fools seem to think otherwise. There are consequences for actions.

    Besides obstruction and disorderly, I'd consider tacking on harassment (provided Arkansas has that on the books).


    Are you reading the same Constitution that the rest of the country ? Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. It says "freedom of speech" not "freedom of speech......except this, this, and this. Oh, and you can't say this until after this time and can't say this at this place"

    You have an odd idea of what freedom means.


    ya might wanna rethink your comment.

    Freedom of Speech is guaranteed by the First Amendment. It does not provide the right to defame people and it must be balanced against the national interest. (For example yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.) But it does guarantee the right to speak on issues of public concern

    aka calling cops nazi is not freedom of speech!
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    True, freedom of speech doesnt mean you can start hate speeches where ever and get away with it(somewhat inciting a riot most of the time.)


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    Not much pity for this guy.
    After all, Seems like he must have got himself into a situation to begin with prior to him calling them Nazis.
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    kingborg wrote:
    VHSer wrote:
    JCU wrote:
    The moron in the video is a clear representation of what's wrong with our country. No where does the Constitution give you the right to say ANYTHING you want yet far too many uneducated fools seem to think otherwise. There are consequences for actions.

    Besides obstruction and disorderly, I'd consider tacking on harassment (provided Arkansas has that on the books).


    Are you reading the same Constitution that the rest of the country ? Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. It says "freedom of speech" not "freedom of speech......except this, this, and this. Oh, and you can't say this until after this time and can't say this at this place"

    You have an odd idea of what freedom means.


    ya might wanna rethink your comment.

    Freedom of Speech is guaranteed by the First Amendment. It does not provide the right to defame people and it must be balanced against the national interest. (For example yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.) But it does guarantee the right to speak on issues of public concern

    aka calling cops nazi is not freedom of speech!


    Yes in fact the freedom of speech is subjected to limitations... one of them being hate speeches. So VHSer you are the one with the "odd idea of what freedom means".

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    Dyzfunk7ional has a point. Even though we have "freedom of speech", you can't just go around saying anything and will be punished in some situations.
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    Serves the guy right, the police aren't nazis.
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    We should all respect cops in the same way we should all have respect for rabid pitbulls. If a person has the authority and inclination to totally screw you over, you should have a little respect, at least ostensibly anyways.

    Cops are different in different cities and departments. The cops we have in my city are pieces of sanctimonious power-weilding garbage but i have met cops in small towns in Oregon and Washington who were helpful, respectful and genuinely friendly.
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    That's true, police are there to serve and protect. But in Saint's Row 2 or Grand Theft Auto or other games where you had to take over a city, that's a much different story.
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    There's always going to be a cop that abuses power. It's inevitable. However, generalizations shouldn't be made. If you don't have respect for any type of authority you aren't making anything easy on yourself.
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    I have to admit that me and my friends need to grow up and get off the "cop hate" express.

    Law enforcement is important to any organized society and police officers deserve respect from the public they serve.
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    marvel wrote:
    There's always going to be a cop that abuses power. It's inevitable. However, generalizations shouldn't be made. If you don't have respect for any type of authority you aren't making anything easy on yourself.


    The problem is when there is only "a" cop who doesn't abuse power.
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    Shazbot wrote:
    marvel wrote:
    There's always going to be a cop that abuses power. It's inevitable. However, generalizations shouldn't be made. If you don't have respect for any type of authority you aren't making anything easy on yourself.


    The problem is when there is only "a" cop who doesn't abuse power.


    True. I think you're right in saying that it depends on the area. I know plenty of cops in Harlem that are extremely abusive in power but if you go into the nicer areas of Manhattan, they are kind and not power hungry at all. That's understandable.
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    I can understand that the type of people they deal with a lot are pieces of shit but so are customers at coffee shops and yet, most of us wouldn't put up with a power trip from a barista. Cops sometimes seem to forget that they are supposed to be public servants.
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    I sometimes wonder if the school bullies that don't end up dead, in jail or on drugs become police officers. I have talked to more than one cop that seemed like they enjoyed beating people up. Those cops give the rest a bad rap.
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    kingborg wrote:
    VHSer wrote:
    JCU wrote:
    The moron in the video is a clear representation of what's wrong with our country. No where does the Constitution give you the right to say ANYTHING you want yet far too many uneducated fools seem to think otherwise. There are consequences for actions.

    Besides obstruction and disorderly, I'd consider tacking on harassment (provided Arkansas has that on the books).


    Are you reading the same Constitution that the rest of the country ? Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. It says "freedom of speech" not "freedom of speech......except this, this, and this. Oh, and you can't say this until after this time and can't say this at this place"

    You have an odd idea of what freedom means.


    ya might wanna rethink your comment.

    Freedom of Speech is guaranteed by the First Amendment. It does not provide the right to defame people and it must be balanced against the national interest. (For example yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.) But it does guarantee the right to speak on issues of public concern

    aka calling cops nazi is not freedom of speech!


    liukangx wrote:
    True, freedom of speech doesnt mean you can start hate speeches where ever and get away with it(somewhat inciting a riot most of the time.)

    marvel wrote:
    Dyzfunk7ional has a point. Even though we have "freedom of speech", you can't just go around saying anything and will be punished in some situations.


    So, it's not really freedom of speech then. I don't recall the Constitution saying there are any limits. It says freedom of speech, not freedom of speech except for certain words or ideas that other people don't like.

    You can call anyone whatever you want. That IS freedom of speech. Where in the Constitution does it say you can't call people names, huh ? Freedom Of Speech means that you can say whatever you want about anyone you want. That's what freedom means. Hate speech, no matter how disgusting or vile, is still FREE speech. Yes, free speech is guaranteed by the Constitution. It doesn't provide the right to defame people ? Which parts says that ? You can say whatever you want. Your "argument" about yelling fire in a crowded theater has no standing. Of course, you can't say Fire ! in a crowded place when there isn't one. It could get people hurt. But no person who uses their brain can see how calling someone names is anywhere close to the same thing. People are far too sensitive lately. So, someone calls someone else names. Big deal. Do people forget that there are people that kill other people ? And you people are so up in arms about someone getting their feelings hurt ? Please. Get over it and get on with life.
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    VHSer, you're a moron.

    Yeah, some guy can express his opinion by calling the police Nazis repeatedly while they're doing their jobs, but that's still slander and defamation of character, which, by law, is generally not allowed. So when you're calling the people who enforce such laws things like "Nazis" (and yelling it very loudly outside in a rural neighborhood), you're pretty much breaking the law right in their faces.

    If the man wanted to call the police in general Nazis, or even the specific officers, he's allowed to. But when he's yelling it at them in public while they're trying to do their jobs, that's a whole different story.

    Seriously, how can you be so stupid and blindly patriotic to think that free speech allows people to say whatever horrible things they want about certain people or groups, regardless of where they are or how obnoxiously they're doing it? Do you think it was wrong for Michael Richards to get in trouble for using a racial slur repeatedly during one of his performances referring to members of the audience? Do you really think our society is so backward that we should have absolutely no limits on how far you can go?

    This is how a democracy works, people are free to express themselves, but when they go too far like this they're punished. Instead of whining about it, accept it, and if you really don't like these necessary limitations, perhaps you'd be happier living under an anarchy.
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    What you've just said is completely one of the most insanely awesome things I have ever heard. At that point, in your coherent, functional response, did you come close to what is considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now smarter for having listened to it. I award you a hundred points, and may God bless your soul.
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    This is a thread that should be moved to the Real World Forum...I'll take care of it now.
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    Xe-A-Thoul wrote:
    What you've just said is completely one of the most insanely awesome things I have ever heard. At that point, in your coherent, functional response, did you come close to what is considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now smarter for having listened to it. I award you a hundred points, and may God bless your soul.


    I completely agree.
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