Pro-Choice People, please explain

  • bassman21
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    DMoney89 wrote:
    Pro-CHOICE
    /end thread

    Why I'm I not surprised ;)

    Shazbot wrote:

    It just didn't make sense to me why you would contradict yourself.


    Just me thinking too deeply as always :). I have debated this many times with people and have concluded that an outright ban wouldn't be good for anyone. So for now the morning after pill and first trimester abortions is a good compromise through a legal standpoint. Through an ethical standpoint other than the 5% (another compromise) I think it is wrong once it is confirmed the life has begun.

    Really it comes down to the fact that abortion has become so socially acceptable. Abortion is something that humans have created and we are wired as a society to accept it as not a big deal. I have found that many that support abortion also support it more for political reasons. In other words if they are against abortion they feel they are following the religious crowd. Or they feel they can not be against it because doing so also means they are against womens rights and the long list of liberal viewpoints they have.

    black_kitten wrote:
    No one else has the right to tell me what I can and cannot do with my own body, and whether or not I should be forced to accept an unwanted parasite inside me for nine months.
    You want children someday yet you view one in the womb as a parasite? So when do you think it goes from being a parasite to being a human being? This is an example of political thinking and not seeing that "parasite" as a human life without a choice to live or die.

    Maybe abortion should be banned and we should start making people be accountable for their action. If you don't want an unwanted baby then you better make damn sure it can't happen before having sex. As others have said if it does happen there are other choices besides abortion, but abortion is just the easy way out.
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    bassman21 wrote:
    DMoney89 wrote:
    Pro-CHOICE
    /end thread

    Why I'm I not surprised ;)

    Shazbot wrote:

    It just didn't make sense to me why you would contradict yourself.


    Just me thinking too deeply as always :). I have debated this many times with people and have concluded that an outright ban wouldn't be good for anyone. So for now the morning after pill and first trimester abortions is a good compromise through a legal standpoint. Through an ethical standpoint other than the 5% (another compromise) I think it is wrong once it is confirmed the life has begun.

    Really it comes down to the fact that abortion has become so socially acceptable. Abortion is something that humans have created and we are wired as a society to accept it as not a big deal. I have found that many that support abortion also support it more for political reasons. In other words if they are against abortion they feel they are following the religious crowd. Or they feel they can not be against it because doing so also means they are against womens rights and the long list of liberal viewpoints they have.

    black_kitten wrote:
    No one else has the right to tell me what I can and cannot do with my own body, and whether or not I should be forced to accept an unwanted parasite inside me for nine months.
    You want children someday yet you view one in the womb as a parasite? So when do you think it goes from being a parasite to being a human being? This is an example of political thinking and not seeing that "parasite" as a human life without a choice to live or die.

    Maybe abortion should be banned and we should start making people be accountable for their action. If you don't want an unwanted baby then you better make damn sure it can't happen before having sex. As others have said if it does happen there are other choices besides abortion, but abortion is just the easy way out.


    Technically the fetus is a parasite. It feeds off the human body. Takes what it needs without giving back. That is a technical definition of a parasite and can be applied to a fetus.
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  • adventure_of_link
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    black_kitten wrote:
    Wow... men, sitting here in their armchairs, swirling their brandy, smoking their cigars (or swilling their coke and munching on cheetos), debating what women should or should not be allowed to do with what their own bodies. Again. This has never happened before, right?

    Oh, right, it has.

    Seriously, DebrisStorm is the one saying the right thing here. This is something that women should debate, and women should decide, right up until the day that a genetically male person can get pregnant and have a child of their own. At which point, you're all welcome to join the debate.

    My personal opinion? I'd love it if I could have children, but nature has rendered that an impossibility for the foreseeable future. If that ever becomes possible for me, however? Well, as I said, I'd love to have children, but I want them on my terms, and no one else's. No one else has the right to tell me what I can and cannot do with my own body, and whether or not I should be forced to accept an unwanted parasite inside me for nine months.

    Even though I do agree with Debris, I have to ask this: since males shouldn't matter till they can conceive a child, by that logic should women that have had a histerectomy (sp?) and lesbians not get a say in the matter, since those who have been "fixed" (for a better replacement of that long H-word I can't spell right now) can no longer conceive, and lesbos, well, like only girls, and as such there's a 99.999999% chance they won't mate with a male?
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  • fistoflegend
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    bassman21 wrote:
    The abortion debate, yes! This should be interesting with the new RJ crowd (if they participate).

    I guessing you would be against an abortion in the third trimester DebrisStorm? Some people think that abortion is OK at any time during the pregnancy even days before the due date. Nine out of ten babies survive outside the womb at 23 week which means abortion (killing the baby) after 6 months is murder plain and simple.

    The Pro-Choice people always use the rape, incest, fetal abnormality and the life of the mother as a reason for abortion. Those cases however make up a small percentage which is less than 5% and most can be done in the first trimester. Most are done as a form of birth control meaning they didn't use contraception to prevent it. Assuming abortion wasn't an option I think more women would think twice about having unprotected sex.

    I'm OK with the morning after pill and abortion for rape, incest, the life of the mother (not potential, but likely) and a few other circumstances.

    The cycle of life has begun at conception. Most pregnancies have few complications and the baby will develop if allowed to do so. So when a child is aborted you are stopping that process. Therefore you are murdering most of those babies to be.

    Look at it this way. If I went back in time to when anyone on this site was in their mothers womb, talked their mother into aborting their pregnancies......I would be guilty of murder. You could argue that the future has not been written in the present, but we know the likely outcome will be a baby with a future.

    On a side note banning abortion would be a bad move, but we should discourage it as much as we can letting people know their options.


    Pretty good post. I'd say I pretty much agree with this. However it is kind of funny that people fought for the right to kill their own children. At one point it was not legal to get an abortion. Usually we fight for rights that make people lives better,not so in this case. I can't think of a woman who said they were happy about getting an abortion. I hear that many have some guilt about getting it done. Just my two cents,but it' it's kind of funny to see humans kill their own children when a lot of other mamals die protecting theirs
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  • DMoney89
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    		 I was actually on another site and this one girl made some pretty good points to remember while having this discussion. spoiler: it's a myyearbook.com forum posting...IDK if you have to log in to see it or not, so let me know if ya'll can't and I'll just repost it.


    bassman21 wrote:

    Why I'm I not surprised ;)


    Is that supposed to be some sly backhanded insult or something?

    "Oh that silly little DMoney at it again! HARDY HAR HAR HAR HAR!! *smokes British bubblepipe*"

    Don't pussy-foot around it. You got something to say, then say it.


    bassman21 wrote:
    black_kitten wrote:
    No one else has the right to tell me what I can and cannot do with my own body, and whether or not I should be forced to accept an unwanted parasite inside me for nine months.
    You want children someday yet you view one in the womb as a parasite? So when do you think it goes from being a parasite to being a human being?


    As Debris said, during the whole time it's in the womb it's TECHNICALLY a parasite...
    And would you call an embryo a person? Because that's exactly what it is before the 9 week stage, the time most abortions are usually performed.

    BTW, that whole "LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTIONNNNNN *sunshine* bullshit is exactly that. Bullshit. The first couple of days/weeks is what's commonly known as the "Germinal Stage" which is basically just how it sounds. All that's happened is that the sperm and the egg have united and basically going "Hey what's up, you're cute, we should do somethin later *wink*" Nothing's actually going on. It's just a buncha germs floating around figuring out what the hell is going on before the embryo is even thought of.
    WHICH BEGS THE QUESTION: are we considering scrambling spermicides people now? Because as I just explained, that's all they are before they start developing into a fetus.

    bassman21 wrote:
    Maybe abortion should be banned and we should start making people be accountable for their action. If you don't want an unwanted baby then you better make damn sure it can't happen before having sex. As others have said if it does happen there are other choices besides abortion, but abortion is just the easy way out.


    Yea, because we ALL know that there's no WAY accidents happen such as condoms tearing or pills no working or other lame excuses like rape and incest. And who cares if the woman with the baby is in no condition to care for the child, whether she be physically, mentally, financially, etc. unable to give the baby the care it needs. No we just need to lump everyone into a group of irresponsible liberal jerks and make them ALLLLLLLL pay!!

    ....

    You really do scare me with your paranoia. You honestly believe that this is some "liberal movement" to remove responsibility from our culture starting with "murdering" barely formed embryos. Because all the MASSIVE amounts of proof that CLEARLY shows that the early stages of pregnancy proves that those embryos/fetuses CLEARLY aren't people just must be the made up Liberal Devil propaganda and that the Conservative Jesus version of the truth means that before you even have time to remove your dick from a vagina, you have a living child and halting the pregnancy in its earliest stages makes you a cold-blooded murderer.

    [P.S. Way to ignore our resident kid-Einstien PirateNinja6 again. No wonder the poor guy's on "strike" :?:( )
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  • VHSman1991
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    DMoney89 wrote:

    bassman21 wrote:

    Why I'm I not surprised ;)


    Is that supposed to be some sly backhanded insult or something?

    How the hell did you think it's an insult? I don't get it.
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  • SSJ Jup81
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    		 I'm a Pro-choice person. I believe that the people in the actual situation should have the CHOICE to do what's best for their situation. I don't feel that it should be dictated as to what that person should do...that person and anyone else directly involved (partner) should make the decision.

    I prefer it if people didn't get abortions, but I don't feel I have a right to tell a person, "No, don't get one." I know that for myself, I couldn't even fathom getting one, but at least I have the choice to even make that decision.

    IMO, that's the bottom line of most people who are pro-choice.
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