Pro-Choice People, please explain

  • VHSman1991
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    		 Would you please explain how or why you can be actively pro-choice and feverishly oppose pro-life people? I can respect a different opinion, but I find this specific opinion EXTREMELY difficult to comprehend.
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    		 I've never seen a pro-choice person actually kill another person over a difference of opinion. However, pro-lifers like to use force to force their opinions on others. Even kill. And there are reasons for abortion. Rape, incest, threat to the woman's life among the top 3. The life of the mother should outweigh the pregnancy.

    Yes, I refuse to call the fetus a baby or child. Because its neither until the third trimester. Abortion should and always will be the woman's choice.
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  • bassman21
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    		 The abortion debate, yes! This should be interesting with the new RJ crowd (if they participate).

    I guessing you would be against an abortion in the third trimester DebrisStorm? Some people think that abortion is OK at any time during the pregnancy even days before the due date. Nine out of ten babies survive outside the womb at 23 week which means abortion (killing the baby) after 6 months is murder plain and simple.

    The Pro-Choice people always use the rape, incest, fetal abnormality and the life of the mother as a reason for abortion. Those cases however make up a small percentage which is less than 5% and most can be done in the first trimester. Most are done as a form of birth control meaning they didn't use contraception to prevent it. Assuming abortion wasn't an option I think more women would think twice about having unprotected sex.

    I'm OK with the morning after pill and abortion for rape, incest, the life of the mother (not potential, but likely) and a few other circumstances.

    The cycle of life has begun at conception. Most pregnancies have few complications and the baby will develop if allowed to do so. So when a child is aborted you are stopping that process. Therefore you are murdering most of those babies to be.

    Look at it this way. If I went back in time to when anyone on this site was in their mothers womb, talked their mother into aborting their pregnancies......I would be guilty of murder. You could argue that the future has not been written in the present, but we know the likely outcome will be a baby with a future.

    On a side note banning abortion would be a bad move, but we should discourage it as much as we can letting people know their options.
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    		 I'm pro-freedom of the body. The government shouldn't tell a person what they can and cannot do to their body. Have an abortion or don't have an abortion. I don't give a shit. Why? I'm a man. Men cannot get abortions. Women are the only one who should be allowed to debate this. Its their body after all. And the beginning of life is such an abstract concept in this argument, that it should be null and void. Thats religion talking. Religion is another thing that doesn't belong in the governing one's body.

    It boils down to the person having it done. Its their decision.
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  • VHSman1991
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    DebrisStorm wrote:
    I've never seen a pro-choice person actually kill another person over a difference of opinion. However, pro-lifers like to use force to force their opinions on others. Even kill. And there are reasons for abortion. Rape, incest, threat to the woman's life among the top 3. The life of the mother should outweigh the pregnancy.

    Yes, I refuse to call the fetus a baby or child. Because its neither until the third trimester. Abortion should and always will be the woman's choice.

    I'm pro-life. I don't use force/hate/murder on anybody with a different opinion. I believe different opinions make the world go around. I like people of all groups and religions (Mexicans, blacks, Catholics, homosexuals, Buddhists, etc). I resent some people because I feel that they are using and abusing the political system to, in a way, force me to agree with their pro-choice views. I resent the almost-constant and vicious attacks on the pro-life groups by the media and those on Youtube that don't know any better. Civilized pro-life people don't murder because of difference of opinion. Not a single pro-life person who I know personally has done that.

    I accept your opinion as it is, though.
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  • PirateNinja6
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    		 My stance on gay marriage and abortion are the same:

    Don't like it, don't get it.
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  • Shazbot
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    bassman21 wrote:

    I'm OK with the morning after pill ...

    The cycle of life has begun at conception.


    Conception can occur in as little as an hour after sex. If the life cycle starts at that point, then the morning after pill is murdering a baby-to-be.
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  • bassman21
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    		 This comes down to valuing a human life and has nothing to do with religion. The baby can't make a choice if it should live or die. It might be the womans body, but her body can make a life. In most cases she could have prevented the pregnancy with a few precautions. If she still gets pregnant other than in cases rape or incest it should be seen as a miracle.


    Shazbot wrote:

    Conception can occur in as little as an hour after sex. If the life cycle starts at that point, then the morning after pill is murdering a baby-to-be.


    Yes, but at this point you do not know if the pregnancy will even happen for sure. It is a good compromise in cases of rape, having a condom breaking or not pulling out quick enough. Plus you are stopping the process before any real development occurs. In the late part of the first trimester the head, eyes, hand and feet are already visible. If abortion must exist I'm generally against it more, the longer the woman is pregnant.
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    DebrisStorm wrote:
    I'm pro-freedom of the body. The government shouldn't tell a person what they can and cannot do to their body. Have an abortion or don't have an abortion. I don't give a shit. Why? I'm a man. Men cannot get abortions. Women are the only one who should be allowed to debate this. Its their body after all. And the beginning of life is such an abstract concept in this argument, that it should be null and void. Thats religion talking. Religion is another thing that doesn't belong in the governing one's body.

    It boils down to the person having it done. Its their decision.

    hate to say this, but Debris has a good point here...
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  • Shazbot
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    bassman21 wrote:
    Plus you are stopping the process before any real development occurs.


    Then why does anyone ever bother saying that life begins at conception?

    bassman21 wrote:
    In the late part of the first trimester the head, eyes, hand and feet are already visible.


    Basically if it's cute it's murder, if it's not attractive-looking it's okay. Sounds like PETA.
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  • DMoney89
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    		 Pro-CHOICE

    /end thread
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  • bassman21
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    Shazbot wrote:
    bassman21 wrote:
    Plus you are stopping the process before any real development occurs.


    Then why does anyone ever bother saying that life begins at conception?

    bassman21 wrote:
    In the late part of the first trimester the head, eyes, hand and feet are already visible.


    Basically if it's cute it's murder, if it's not attractive-looking it's okay. Sounds like PETA.


    :roll:

    Abortion is wrong and I don't want it at all, but I try to find a middle ground for those that want it. Just saying the longer the woman waits the move developed the fetus is. So are you saying you are aginst all abortions or are you for them? Are you pulling a Miss Piggy on me so I'll have to write a 2000 word reply with these open end responses?
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  • black_kitten
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    		 Wow... men, sitting here in their armchairs, swirling their brandy, smoking their cigars (or swilling their coke and munching on cheetos), debating what women should or should not be allowed to do with what their own bodies. Again. This has never happened before, right?

    Oh, right, it has.

    Seriously, DebrisStorm is the one saying the right thing here. This is something that women should debate, and women should decide, right up until the day that a genetically male person can get pregnant and have a child of their own. At which point, you're all welcome to join the debate.

    My personal opinion? I'd love it if I could have children, but nature has rendered that an impossibility for the foreseeable future. If that ever becomes possible for me, however? Well, as I said, I'd love to have children, but I want them on my terms, and no one else's. No one else has the right to tell me what I can and cannot do with my own body, and whether or not I should be forced to accept an unwanted parasite inside me for nine months.
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    Pro-Choice people - "The fetus is too early in development to be considered a human life, and should be looked at as nothing more than a clump of cells."

    Pro-Life people - "The fetus is a human life, and should be treated as such."


    It all comes down to whether you believe the fetus is a human life, or whether you believe it is nothing more than just a "clump of cells". I believe it is a human life, which is why I am pro-life.
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  • black_kitten
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    		 Show me evidence that this cluster of non-differentiated cells can think, react, observe, learn, listen, respond, or do anything except go *glomf glomf glomf* and subdivide for six months straight, at the very least, then I will give this further thought. Can't promise I'd come to a different conclusion, though.
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    black_kitten wrote:
    Show me evidence that this cluster of non-differentiated cells can think, react, observe, learn, listen, respond, or do anything except go *glomf glomf glomf* and subdivide for six months straight, at the very least, then I will give this further thought. Can't promise I'd come to a different conclusion, though.


    Well, you're also describing 95% of the users here. So, if someone killed them, it would a very late term abortion?
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    black_kitten wrote:
    Show me evidence that this cluster of non-differentiated cells can think, react, observe, learn, listen, respond, or do anything except go *glomf glomf glomf* and subdivide for six months straight, at the very least, then I will give this further thought. Can't promise I'd come to a different conclusion, though.


    Seeing that I was never out to change your mind on abortion in the first place, I shouldn't have to give you any evidence. I gave my reason for personally being pro-life...so why should I have to prove anything to you?
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  • black_kitten
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    		 And in some cases, even one the pro-lifers would support.
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  • Shazbot
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    bassman21 wrote:
    Shazbot wrote:
    bassman21 wrote:
    Plus you are stopping the process before any real development occurs.


    Then why does anyone ever bother saying that life begins at conception?

    bassman21 wrote:
    In the late part of the first trimester the head, eyes, hand and feet are already visible.


    Basically if it's cute it's murder, if it's not attractive-looking it's okay. Sounds like PETA.


    :roll:

    Abortion is wrong and I don't want it at all, but I try to find a middle ground for those that want it. Just saying the longer the woman waits the move developed the fetus is. So are you saying you are aginst all abortions or are you for them? Are you pulling a Miss Piggy on me so I'll have to write a 2000 word reply with these open end responses?


    It just didn't make sense to me why you would contradict yourself.

    I am pro-choice but not pro-abortion.
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