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| VHSer wrote: bassman21 wrote: VHSer wrote: PirateNinja6 wrote: The voting age limit is such a waste of time. Voting is a waste of time. Politicians will do what ever they have to do to get elected, then they'll break every single promise and do whatever they want anyways. Voting is one of the most pointless things in the world. Right up there next to freedom of speech. Sure, you have freedom of speech, but then the government says that you can't say certain things until certain times, or that you can't say certain things ever. Some freedom ! So I guess the 1000s of people that voted for the first time had nothing to do with Obama getting elected? Your attitude is common of the middle class and is why the wrong people keep getting elected. Yeah, my attitude is the reason that the wrong people get elected ? It doesn't matter who you vote for, they'll all lie and fail miserably. People only voted for Obama because they heard people like Oprah said that they liked him and people have such low self esteem that they think going along with what some loser on tv says makes them cool, too. Goddamn. |
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| PirateNinja6 wrote: VHSer wrote: bassman21 wrote: VHSer wrote: PirateNinja6 wrote: The voting age limit is such a waste of time. Voting is a waste of time. Politicians will do what ever they have to do to get elected, then they'll break every single promise and do whatever they want anyways. Voting is one of the most pointless things in the world. Right up there next to freedom of speech. Sure, you have freedom of speech, but then the government says that you can't say certain things until certain times, or that you can't say certain things ever. Some freedom ! So I guess the 1000s of people that voted for the first time had nothing to do with Obama getting elected? Your attitude is common of the middle class and is why the wrong people keep getting elected. Yeah, my attitude is the reason that the wrong people get elected ? It doesn't matter who you vote for, they'll all lie and fail miserably. People only voted for Obama because they heard people like Oprah said that they liked him and people have such low self esteem that they think going along with what some loser on tv says makes them cool, too. Goddamn. No shit. I think we're all a lot dumber for reading that. Thank you for killing braincells, VHSer. |
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I guess I'll answer the topic first- yes, he should have gotten in trouble (or more accurately, the people who allowed him to vote should), and yes they're making a big deal about it. One incident out of thousands shouldn't make people run for hills. PirateNinja6 wrote: fistoflegend wrote: PirateNinja6 wrote: This is a bad thing? The only reason children are uneducated about politics is because adults refuse to teach them about mature things from an early age. He made an effort to vote, rather than the lazy 40% of eligible voters in the UK. And he got in trouble from this? The voting age limit is such a waste of time and effort to enforce. Any limit on voting is. Sorry,but I have to disagree. Lets be real. Adults can try and educate children about politics,but most people at that age are to young to make a real informed choice. Most would just vote however their parents vote. Not to mention that a child's brain at that age in no were near being fully developed. I say a voting age limit is a good idea. That being said it's not a major incident. I wonder who really wasted all that time reporting this to the police? Then, with adults and their properly developed brains, explain how many of them do not vote, despite the fact that they had not only the right, but the brainpower to do so? Wouldn't voting be smartest thing to do? Voting doesn't require a full-developed brain, sir. And you forgot to mention, once the brain fully developed, it goes downhill from there. I agree that children shouldn't vote. (And some of these comments aren't directed at any of the quoted posters, I just wanted to address all the topics.) Having a developed brain is extremely important when it comes to politics because you don't begin to acquire mature reasoning skills until about 16. Good decisions for the wrong reasons are still wrong decisions. Not to mention they can't read body language accurately, so how would they be a good judge of character? Let's not forget that the adolescent brain changes more over a shorter period of time than an adult brain, so saying that adults loose their wit is like saying everyone is going to die; it will happen eventually, but not for a very long time. What they lack in youthful ingenuity, they make up for in experience. The elderly are the biggest voting group 1. because they understand the importance, unlike the younger generation, and 2. it effects them more immediately than most other groups. Adults who don't vote are more often jaded by politics than anything. Countries with one or two leading parties tend to have lower voter turnout because people feel their candidate won't win. Other factors include the inability to vote due to disability/transportation, work (despite the provided services/hours to accommodate), and some abstain from voting because they're ignorant about politics, which I understand. No reason to vote if you don't know what you're doing. And let's be real- the reasons people don't vote are a combination of: they are less educated, poor, unmarried, young (voting increases with age), and their parents don't vote or they have a history of not voting. People turn out to the polls more often if there is political turmoil. If people are content, they tend not to care. |
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| Sunriser wrote: Good decisions for the wrong reasons are still wrong decisions. Not to mention they can't read body language accurately, so how would they be a good judge of character? Explain the bolded statement. My under-developed brain doesn't understand what you're trying to say. Sunriser wrote: some abstain from voting because they're ignorant about politics, which I understand. No reason to vote if you don't know what you're doing. If they are adults- why are they ignorant of politics,voting, and related subjects? As adults it's their responsibility to improve a country, especially in times like these. They should know these things, unless of course their country does not have the resources to teach them, while the US clearly does, and many don't even try to change anything. |
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| PirateNinja6 wrote: Sunriser wrote: Good decisions for the wrong reasons are still wrong decisions. Not to mention they can't read body language accurately, so how would they be a good judge of character? Explain the bolded statement. My under-developed brain doesn't understand what you're trying to say. Sunriser wrote: some abstain from voting because they're ignorant about politics, which I understand. No reason to vote if you don't know what you're doing. If they are adults- why are they ignorant of politics,voting, and related subjects? As adults it's their responsibility to improve a country, especially in times like these. They should know these things, unless of course their country does not have the resources to teach them, while the US clearly does, and many don't even try to change anything. I understand how you feel PN6. My point and the point of some others here is that most kids have a different perception of things than adults. The beliefs of kids are always changing as they are always introduced to new ideas. I remember not long ago you were a libertarian and before that you were pretty conservative. When I was teenager I was very liberal, but now I'm an independent conservative leaning more toward Libertarian. Most of the kids I went to school around were also liberals and I realize now that my surroundings was why I felt the way I did. Young people are under a lot of pressure to be cool and it is cool to be a liberal when you are young in most places. The reason why is because liberals tend to be more passive about things that young people are generally forbidden to do. Well as least that is what most young people think anyway. I see your point that there are many adults that know less than you about politics and that who is elected has an effect on young people. However most devoted voters do know about politics and if allowed to vote most young people would vote democratic. If minors were allowed to vote in general elections that would severely skew the numbers. We would never have another republican in office and the democrats would have the majority in everything. remember as it is the country is almost 50/50. Even if you like the democrats trust me you do not want them to be undefeated in every vote. Also despite the young people vote independents would still have a hard time being elected. |
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| bassman21 wrote: PirateNinja6 wrote: Sunriser wrote: Good decisions for the wrong reasons are still wrong decisions. Not to mention they can't read body language accurately, so how would they be a good judge of character? Explain the bolded statement. My under-developed brain doesn't understand what you're trying to say. Sunriser wrote: some abstain from voting because they're ignorant about politics, which I understand. No reason to vote if you don't know what you're doing. If they are adults- why are they ignorant of politics,voting, and related subjects? As adults it's their responsibility to improve a country, especially in times like these. They should know these things, unless of course their country does not have the resources to teach them, while the US clearly does, and many don't even try to change anything. I understand how you feel PN6. My point and the point of some others here is that most kids have a different perception of things than adults. The beliefs of kids are always changing as they are always introduced to new ideas. I remember not long ago you were a libertarian and before that you were pretty conservative. When I was teenager I was very liberal, but now I'm an independent conservative leaning more toward Libertarian. Most of the kids I went to school around were also liberals and I realize now that my surroundings was why I felt the way I did. Young people are under a lot of pressure to be cool and it is cool to be a liberal when you are young in most places. I still am a libertarian. Just not a conservative libertarian. It's very hip to be conservative where I live, but hey. |
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