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bassman21 3 years 4 months ago Posts: 12793 User Mod	Wouldn't the world be a better place? I'm talking more about the New Testament, but also the Old. Even though I'm not a religious person; I'm finding with age that when people go against the teachings in the Bible, things rarely go well. Tell me how I'm wrong.

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Shazbot 3 years 4 months ago Posts: 4622	Some things in the bible are fine but: - I don't believe in slavery. - I don't believe that a rapist should be able to buy his victim from her father. - I have no moral problem with mixing wool and linen. - I don't believe a woman on her period is "impure", she's just menstruating.

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ImStillAllTheRage
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We should bring back stonings for boys that look like girls.
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DMoney89 3 years 4 months ago Posts: 3323 Account Disabled	SOME of the philosophies in the Bible are good, common-freakin-knowledge values that everyone could uphold...but that won't happen because people are stupid and take every word in that damn book as 100% truth.

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bassman21 3 years 4 months ago Posts: 12793 User Mod	You guys are quoting Old Testament stuff here. These things were the norm for that time and the Bible was written to coincide with that time period. The New Testament is Jesus' teachings and is what modern day Christians are to follow. If there is something not covered in the New Testament, then we are to follow the Old Testaments teachings. Jesus would never support slavery or stoning people. This was the whole reason he was sent down by God, to teach a new way to live our life.

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Shazbot 3 years 4 months ago Posts: 4622	"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ." Ephesians 6:5 (New Testament) The bible is just fine with slavery, New Testament or Old. It is a book written by man, for man. I appreciate the effort but I am no more apt to live my life according to it than to Dianetics or the Book of Mormon.

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thabz 3 years 4 months ago Posts: 3054	Shazbot wrote: "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ." Ephesians 6:5 (New Testament) The bible is just fine with slavery, New Testament or Old. It is a book written by man, for man. I appreciate the effort but I am no more apt to live my life according to it than to Dianetics or the Book of Mormon. Why is it when you stumble upon one 'bad' word it all of the sudden becomes a big deal? Verse 6 "Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart." Verse 7 "Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not men," Verse 8 "because you know that the Lord will reward everyone for whatever good he does, whether he is slave or free." Learn to understand the CONTEXT not just mere reading which I think is the major problem why people cannot follow the bible.
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bassman21 3 years 4 months ago Posts: 12793 User Mod	Very well put thabz! The term slavery is very broad too. I by no means support slavery as we know it to be, but not all slaves were treated badly. Also slavery as the Bible states was around long before the Europeans settle in the USA. A one point and time being a slave was probably better than starving in the streets. You had to work, but you got fed and had a place to sleep. Before modern civilization came to past slavery may have been better for some. All the Bible is saying if you were a slave you should have respected your master. If you look at the system today many people are still slaves. We just have more restriction on it and have a choice in the matter. Someone that works in the hot sun for 10 hours a day picking oranges for minimum wage isn't much different. Or ever worst how about those sweat shops in other countries that pay their workers cents a day? They still bust their asses and struggle to eat and to have a place to live. They have more freedom, but some people's lives are probably worst today than some slaves in the past. In today's world respecting your master would be respecting your boss at work. Again the Bible was written for that time period. We have a better system than slavery and don't need it anymore.

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SSPig
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No religion=free world is how I see it.
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Shazbot 3 years 4 months ago Posts: 4622	thabz wrote: Shazbot wrote: "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ." Ephesians 6:5 (New Testament) The bible is just fine with slavery, New Testament or Old. It is a book written by man, for man. I appreciate the effort but I am no more apt to live my life according to it than to Dianetics or the Book of Mormon. Why is it when you stumble upon one 'bad' word it all of the sudden becomes a big deal? Verse 6 "Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart." Verse 7 "Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not men," Verse 8 "because you know that the Lord will reward everyone for whatever good he does, whether he is slave or free." Learn to understand the CONTEXT not just mere reading which I think is the major problem why people cannot follow the bible. The context has nothing to do with it. I was arguing that slavery was as much of an accepted part of society in the New Testament as it was in the Old, it was not decried or condemned in the New Testament. Slaves are slaves. Some sold themselves into slavery, some were born into it and some were made slaves. They are all slaves though.

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Shazbot
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bassman21 wrote:

Again the Bible was written for that time period.

Precisely.
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Stickykeys09 3 years 4 months ago Posts: 809	It is nothing but an outdated myth. I don't think society should not be ruled law or religious text, it should be based on common sense.
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Doctor Serious
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The Bible aside, if more people just quit being stupid I'd be totally impressed.
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Antti 3 years 4 months ago Posts: 62 Account Disabled	If more people would read the bible, we'd destroy ourselves even faster. Just use your conscience and instincts, don't read how you should live your life. I do feel sorry for people who believe there is a god and worse, who try to live by what it says in the bible.

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DMoney89 3 years 4 months ago Posts: 3323 Account Disabled	bassman21 wrote: Very well put thabz! The term slavery is very broad too. I by no means support slavery as we know it to be, but not all slaves were treated badly. Also slavery as the Bible states was around long before the Europeans settle in the USA. A one point and time being a slave was probably better than starving in the streets. You had to work, but you got fed and had a place to sleep. Before modern civilization came to past slavery may have been better for some. All the Bible is saying if you were a slave you should have respected your master. If you look at the system today many people are still slaves. We just have more restriction on it and have a choice in the matter. Someone that works in the hot sun for 10 hours a day picking oranges for minimum wage isn't much different. Or ever worst how about those sweat shops in other countries that pay their workers cents a day? They still bust their asses and struggle to eat and to have a place to live. They have more freedom, but some people's lives are probably worst today than some slaves in the past. In today's world respecting your master would be respecting your boss at work. Please tell me this is some kind of satire. As in you don't really mean any of this. PLEASE...

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Shazbot 3 years 4 months ago Posts: 4622	I don't think there's anything wrong with the Bible per se, but i am of the opinion that people who think it is the unerring word of God are confused. It is a book that was written by men, and although it has a lot of good lessons in it, so do many novels. Organized religion has become completely focused on ceremony and symbolism. Even the valuable lessons and stories in holy books end up being overshadowed by the practices of the religion's followers rather than on the lessons of its founders.

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bassman21 3 years 4 months ago Posts: 12793 User Mod	DMoney89 wrote: bassman21 wrote: Very well put thabz! The term slavery is very broad too. I by no means support slavery as we know it to be, but not all slaves were treated badly. Also slavery as the Bible states was around long before the Europeans settle in the USA. A one point and time being a slave was probably better than starving in the streets. You had to work, but you got fed and had a place to sleep. Before modern civilization came to past slavery may have been better for some. All the Bible is saying if you were a slave you should have respected your master. If you look at the system today many people are still slaves. We just have more restriction on it and have a choice in the matter. Someone that works in the hot sun for 10 hours a day picking oranges for minimum wage isn't much different. Or ever worst how about those sweat shops in other countries that pay their workers cents a day? They still bust their asses and struggle to eat and to have a place to live. They have more freedom, but some people's lives are probably worst today than some slaves in the past. In today's world respecting your master would be respecting your boss at work. Please tell me this is some kind of satire. As in you don't really mean any of this. PLEASE... Not satire, but read it again and give me the benefit of the doubt that I'm not in support of slavery. And don't listen to the history books in school as they only tell you one side of it. The truth is slaves or servants as they were sometimes called were not all beaten into submission and kept in chains. There was lots of abuse by many "masters", but not all abused their servants or slaves. YES THEY WERE STILL TREATED AS SECOND CLASS PEOPLE, AS PROPERTY AND IT WAS WRONG. Some actually lived under the same roof as their owners and were considered to be part of the family. Even their children would often times play together. Most middle class in the south had 1 to 2 slaves and the rich had far more. Did you know after slavery was abolished that many people stayed living with their former owners even a generation later? Did you know in the USA that many if not most Blacks took their masters last name? Again it was a different time and you can't compare it to today. Just try and think outside of the box and mindset modern man has instilled into you. The White men were not all the devils that the history books make them out to be.

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Shazbot 3 years 4 months ago Posts: 4622	bassman21 wrote: The truth is slaves or servants as they were sometimes called were not all beaten into submission and kept in chains. There was lots of abuse by many "masters", but not all abused their servants or slaves. YES THEY WERE STILL TREATED AS SECOND CLASS PEOPLE, AS PROPERTY AND IT WAS WRONG. Some actually lived under the same roof as their owners and were considered to be part of the family. Even their children would often times play together. it was a different time and you can't compare it to today. Just try and think outside of the box and mindset modern man has instilled into you. The White men were not all the devils that the history books make them out to be. Ok, they weren't all kept in chains, but many American slaves were captured like animals and kidnapped, then forced into labor. A prisoner can still be a prisoner with no chains or beatings. Like i said, a slave is a slave. I think i was the one who brought up slavery, it's not really a very relevant part of the discussion, we're kinda going off on a tangent. My point was similar to yours, the Bible was written for a different time and place, just like the Qu'ran was. (which is why i tried to point out that slaves are always addressed as a group of people, like addressing all children, or all of the elderly. they were simply a demographic.) Because of this, most of it can be taken with a grain of salt as an ancient collection of anecdotes with the purpose of giving the reader some perspective of the meaning of life as seen trough the eyes of holy men of centuries past, as well as giving some insight into how they thought there can be a God without there being any real and verifiable evidence other than our own existence. [/quote]

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bassman21 3 years 4 months ago Posts: 12793 User Mod	I was just making the point that people's point of view was different in those days and the concept of slavery wasn't viewed as being so bad back then. Also that all slaves were not treated as people today make it out to be. You're right though Shazbot the intent of this thread was about the Bible in general and think we have covered the slavery part enough. I do wonder if antti and stickykeys09 have actually read the Bible or are they just spouting off what the main stream atheist say. The Bible has a lot of powerful messages and most people do not know all of the lessions in the Bible. If they did and followed them I think we would all be better off as a society. I also wonder how we would "destroy ourselves even faster" by following it?

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madcatter 3 years 4 months ago Posts: 366 Account Disabled	The Bible (sigh). My life improved a great deal when I stopped thinking I was a Christian, due to parental brain-washing, and moved on to better things. The New Testament is pretty clear on one thing- do as Christ says, or come Judgement Day you'll be damned to eternal suffering! Yay, that's peace and love! Other religions, like Buddhism, have a better slant on how people should behave and it has a coda on what happens to 'good and bad' people. In the US you have states which have their school programs sponsored by either a corporate entity or a Christian group. Mixing religion into the decision process of learning academia and politics is dangerous because it turns people into neo-conservatives. Italy improved greatly when Papal powers were curbed and government took over. Look at the disaster that is Israel. The Torah is the original version of the Old Testament. Taking the message of the Bible or Torah and transferring it to real life has completely failed there (although Israelis would no doubt dispute this). If more people followed the Bible, like they used to before the Renaissance, we could very well end up in a new Dark Ages when the Church held all the power and the people has none. Oh yeah, and the Bible's pretty crap for women. The major religions seem to treat us like those slaves you've been discussing.

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