The myth of "communism"

What shall we call those countries then? I've known this for years, but still refers to them as Communists or Socialists because of lack of name.

One term is "Eastern Block", which works for me in Sweden, but people living in let's say New Zealand before 1991 had the USSR to the west and the USA to the east (and both very north).

If America becomes a Pseudo-Marxian country, I'm forming a Rebel Alliance.

Pseudo-Marxian or authoritarian would be nice.

I don't think pure communism is possible just due to natural human impulses.

Exactly...

Thats why pure communism/socialism (Marx) can not be achieved. In this sense it refers to opression-free/clasless/statelss societies in wich members participate in politic and economical decisions.

Basically the idea is for everyone to be exacly equal to eachother in social and economic standing. That there are no unfairnes and everyone's on at the same level at all times. It is a really fair system in THEORY as it models some kind of utopia. Everyone should be happy, everyone's equal to each other. Perfect!....

But unfortunately greed is just one of the many little problem humans have.....

I don't know too much about these things, so forgive my ignorance. But, if everyone was on the same level financially, socially, etc, then I don't think the people would have much ambition. Why be a doctor when you can be the mail man, and still live the same quality of life?

^ Indeed my friend... and that is basically what in theory is supposed to happen in "pure" communism/socialism. But as you know in reality there is no such thing... ambition can be a powerful/deceptive thing.

Also the thing about comunism is that it works perfectly only if the individual has the desire to be just like everyone else. And, if all individuals have the same desires and the same motivation to work... again... something very difficult if not impossible to achieved.

*just a pointer*... basically, True/Pure communism is based on communal ownership and communal control. Every member of the community is as important as every other member, and every member of the community has a voice in how the community is run.
This has no relationship to communism as it was practised in Russia/China and all those things we have learned that happened in Eastern Comunist Bloc... there are different types of communism.

Please, define human impulses. Remember, early man found out that, when he worked together with other humans, he got more done. Humans are social creatures, and once existed without any hierarchy. Hierarchy is for wild animals.

Not everyone is exactly in socialism(state), ever heard the Karl Marx quote: "From each according to his ability, from each according to his need?"

Obviously, in socialism, some people need more money than others. Socialism, at least in my belief isn't about the equal distribution of wealth, but more importantly, the fair distribution of wealth.

Communism(stateless, moneyless, classless) ISN'T utopian. Utopia is impossible. Communism isn't about sunshine, pancakes, and happytime, it's about extending access to all resources to everyone, according to need. Utopia is Greek for "not place." Marx said that, like socialism, capitalism, and feudalism, communism is inevitable.

Human nature is about how you're raised.

In capitalism, you're supposed to be concerned about taking as much as possible, without regarding for your fellow man.

Do you think Africa just magically became a wasteland? Poverty-ridden areas of the world are due to uneven economic development in capitalism.

If someone is raised to only take the resources he needs, where is greed?

If someone is really greedy, go somewhere and start a capitalist society, I don't care. But let the liberated stay liberated.



It is natural to work. Everything works in some different way or another. Also, ever heard of passions? Some people want to be doctors. Some people want to be mailmen. If you're only concern is to get money in life, you're not living for passion. You're fighting in the class war.



Communism gives more powerful to individual. Without private property, money, etc. more personal accomplishments can be made. Please also take note, that communism would abolish money in it's current form.

Also, ever heard of the Paris Commune or Anarchist Catalonia? Those were stateless, classless, moneyless, but more importantly, worker-run societies.

*just a pointer* Communism never happened in Russia or China. If oppression is present in any "Communist" country, it can't be communist.

Communism isn't supposed to reproduce the stupidities of capitalism.

Perhaps we should all just be subsistence farmers, and meet for bingo on Thursdays.

...Communism is nothing more than a pipe-dream that can never be implemented successfully, and even if it was the society will never last and neither did those two examples of yours. Let's face it, life isn't fair so why build a society based on "fairness"? It's completely naive if you ask me.

Please, define human impulses. Remember, early man found out that, when he worked together with other humans, he got more done.

... ever heard the Karl Marx quote: "From each according to his ability, from each according to his need?"

... Socialism, at least in my belief isn't about the equal distribution of wealth, but more importantly, the fair distribution of wealth.

Communism(stateless, moneyless, classless) ISN'T utopian. Utopia is impossible. Communism isn't about sunshine, pancakes, and happytime, it's about extending access to all resources to everyone, according to need. Utopia is Greek for "not place." Marx said that, like socialism, capitalism, and feudalism, communism is inevitable.

*just a pointer* Communism never happened in Russia or China. If oppression is present in any "Communist" country, it can't be communist.

Seems to me, the way you describe it, Communism is nothing more than a pipe-dream that can never be implemented successfully, and even if it was the society will never last and neither did those two examples of yours. Let's face it, life isn't fair so why build a society based on "fairness"? It's completely naive if you ask me.

I fail to see how communism could provide any benefit for anyone. It's as if the "Working class" are nothing more than mindless, robotic ants who toil and reap nothing in return. And workers overthrowing the state? Certainly, more senseless war can't be good for anyone.


Has the people of North Korea profited from this great communism? I don't think so. Also, as far as Africa's concerned I don't think that place will ever be safe to live until all those militaristic societies or whatever stop killing each other for power, and just unite in some way.

Communism might've looked pretty on paper years ago, but it is utterly useless and out-dated by today's standards. It would only lead to regression, not progression.

Communism would only work for devoted communist. *Insert Captain Obvious picture here* I can see some of the pros for it. Personally, I'm pretty laid back. Not to much into material things, although I do appreciate quality goods. So If I worked A LOT less and didn't have as many "things" I wouldn't mind so much as long as my basic needs were covered. Read Animal Farm, I think it portrays the whole ideal pretty accurately.

Haha, Capitalism killing people? It doesn't magically turn the land barren when it's already been like that for centuries or make people so lazy they won't get a job so they can afford food, and if they can't find a job they should grow/find their own until they can get one.

Communism will eventually destroy itself in practice, anyway. There will inevitably be those who want to fall into power. All the nations I can think of that tried to implement communism eventually just became a fascist dictatorship in some form or another.

Of course land doesn't turn barren. With the help of imperialism, capitalism exploited Africa's people and resources. When the old tribal governments and kingdoms came crashing down to expand Western Imperialism, the land fell into chaos. Why can't you accept capitalism(and imperialism, as imperialism is the social side of capitalism) kills people?

You think jobs are just abundant in Africa? Do you really think African businesses thrive? So, those starving children there who eat dirt, that's their fault, right? Those lazy assholes should get jobs!

No nation has ever implemented communism, period. Some implemented socialism. Those countries did not fail. Although Stalin and Mao were indeed totalitarian, much of their cruelty is fudged, and the death statistics are fudged.