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flamepanther
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Evil Dr. Spears
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So flamepanther, you a Nintendo fan or a Sony fan?
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System 8 years 5 months ago Posts: 74809	Evil Dr. Spears wrote: So flamepanther, you a Nintendo fan or a Sony fan? My allegience is for sale. Whoever makes the best games, wins.

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mr.funky 8 years 5 months ago Posts: 1620	Reaper wrote: Evil Dr. Spears wrote: So flamepanther, you a Nintendo fan or a Sony fan? My allegience is for sale. Whoever makes the best games, wins. What if all consoles mysteriously fail and we have to go back to board games?

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flamepanther 8 years 5 months ago Posts: 948	Evil Dr. Spears wrote: So flamepanther, you a Nintendo fan or a Sony fan? I'm a fan of whoever really understands and cares about a quality game experience and actively works to give the best of that to the consumer. Usually that's Nintendo. In the past it's also been Sega. Lately it's also been Microsoft, to a lesser degree. It has almost never been Sony. When SCE sees quality as more important than marketing, when features that benefit gamers are more important than expensive superfluous nearly-useless features that get a "foot in the door" for proprietary Sony formats (Blu-Ray, UMD), when they make hardware that isn't notorious for breaking, when they don't penalize developers for making 2-D games, and when they stop blatantly lying to the public abuot their hardware, then I'll be a Sony fan too. Does that answer your question?

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System 8 years 5 months ago Posts: 74809	mr.funky wrote: Reaper wrote: Evil Dr. Spears wrote: So flamepanther, you a Nintendo fan or a Sony fan? My allegience is for sale. Whoever makes the best games, wins. What if all consoles mysteriously fail and we have to go back to board games? If that happened, I'm sure the living would envy the dead.

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System 8 years 5 months ago Posts: 74809	mr.funky wrote: Reaper wrote: Evil Dr. Spears wrote: So flamepanther, you a Nintendo fan or a Sony fan? My allegience is for sale. Whoever makes the best games, wins. What if all consoles mysteriously fail and we have to go back to board games? If that's what the future is, I'm sure the living will envy the dead.

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System 8 years 5 months ago Posts: 74809	I'm a nintendo fan, regaurdless of this, but now you see how sony takes care of their customers...... Personally, I like the 2-D consoles better. My favorite is a tie between Sega Genesis and Super Nintendo, but DS comes a close second, and the wii looks really nice.

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adventure_of_link 8 years 5 months ago Posts: 9769	Well you guys have to consider that the DS is all executing code off a PCB... The PSP is as well (to a degree.) The PSP uses UMD media, and we all know how insane the load times are.

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flamepanther 8 years 5 months ago Posts: 948	All that says is that Sony didn't choose the medium for the system wisely. Handheld gaming devices need to be suitable for short bursts of gaming on the go. Optical media of any kind is ill-suited to that for multiple reasons. For one, all of the time spent loading is time not spent playing, and the window of time available to the player to be playing and not doing whatever he or she is out and about for may be very limited. It's also time that's still spent draining the battery. Not only that, but the battery actually drains significantly faster while the disk is being read. There's a reason that PDAs use solid state media instead of something like Sony's UMD. Sony chose the UMD because they wanted to make the most "tricked out" portable, and because they were hoping to launch the UMD into popularity and use it in a number of other devices (hence the name "Universal Media Disk". Neither of these are at all in the interest of gaming, but rather a way of trying to use a gaming device to advance their interests in other markets.

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System 8 years 5 months ago Posts: 74809	flamepanther wrote: All that says is that Sony didn't choose the medium for the system wisely. Handheld gaming devices need to be suitable for short bursts of gaming on the go. Optical media of any kind is ill-suited to that for multiple reasons. For one, all of the time spent loading is time not spent playing, and the window of time available to the player to be playing and not doing whatever he or she is out and about for may be very limited. It's also time that's still spent draining the battery. Not only that, but the battery actually drains significantly faster while the disk is being read. There's a reason that PDAs use solid state media instead of something like Sony's UMD. Sony chose the UMD because they wanted to make the most "tricked out" portable, and because they were hoping to launch the UMD into popularity and use it in a number of other devices (hence the name "Universal Media Disk". Neither of these are at all in the interest of gaming, but rather a way of trying to use a gaming device to advance their interests in other markets. It almost comes down to greed vs. gaming, I guess then.

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flamepanther 8 years 5 months ago Posts: 948	Reaper wrote: It almost comes down to greed vs. gaming, I guess then. Pretty much. It's the exact same reason there's a Blu-Ray player in the PS3, jacking the price up to $500-600. Blu-Ray is not even close to necessary for a game system.

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System 8 years 5 months ago Posts: 74809	flamepanther wrote: Reaper wrote: It almost comes down to greed vs. gaming, I guess then. Pretty much. It's the exact same reason there's a Blu-Ray player in the PS3, jacking the price up to $500-600. Blu-Ray is not even close to necessary for a game system. See this is why I don't like how Microsoft and Sony have taken control of the market from Nintendo and Sega. Nintendo/Sega were built on their gaming and creativity while Microsoft and Sony are simply out to capture the gaming market so they can whore their latest electronic doodads (DVDs, TVs, PC's etc.). Not saying that they haven't created good games occasionally but if your purpose in the gaming field is purely profit driven, Creativity and quality is definetly going to suffer. That's why I try and support Nintendo/Sega and smaller gaming companies as much as I can but Sony/Microsoft are such corporate monsters that they literally crush everything in their path like Wal-Mart and in effect hurt the gaming industry as a whole.

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flamepanther 8 years 5 months ago Posts: 948	Reaper wrote: See this is why I don't like how Microsoft and Sony have taken control of the market from Nintendo and Sega. Nintendo/Sega were built on their gaming and creativity while Microsoft and Sony are simply out to capture the gaming market so they can whore their latest electronic doodads (DVDs, TVs, PC's etc.). Not saying that they haven't created good games occasionally but if your purpose in the gaming field is purely profit driven, Creativity and quality is definetly going to suffer. That's why I try and support Nintendo/Sega and smaller gaming companies as much as I can but Sony/Microsoft are such corporate monsters that they literally crush everything in their path like Wal-Mart and in effect hurt the gaming industry as a whole. I agree, but between the two, I see Microsoft as the lesser evil. Sony's tactic is to make the consumers and developers conform to what they want. Microsoft's tactic is to conform to what the consumers and developers already want. It makes a big difference, and the massive changes between the Xbox and the Xbox 360 show it.

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System 8 years 4 months ago Posts: 74809	flamepanther wrote: Reaper wrote: See this is why I don't like how Microsoft and Sony have taken control of the market from Nintendo and Sega. Nintendo/Sega were built on their gaming and creativity while Microsoft and Sony are simply out to capture the gaming market so they can whore their latest electronic doodads (DVDs, TVs, PC's etc.). Not saying that they haven't created good games occasionally but if your purpose in the gaming field is purely profit driven, Creativity and quality is definetly going to suffer. That's why I try and support Nintendo/Sega and smaller gaming companies as much as I can but Sony/Microsoft are such corporate monsters that they literally crush everything in their path like Wal-Mart and in effect hurt the gaming industry as a whole. I agree, but between the two, I see Microsoft as the lesser evil. Sony's tactic is to make the consumers and developers conform to what they want. Microsoft's tactic is to conform to what the consumers and developers already want. It makes a big difference, and the massive changes between the Xbox and the Xbox 360 show it. I'm especially interested in the results this time around. I honestly don't see consumers buying a $600 console (Or at least enough to make a profit off it) so I think its going to be mainly between Nintendo and Microsoft for the next generation. I don't think the GC had a very strong launch last time (in terms of games) but I'm proud to say they have arguably the best line-up of the next gen consoles this time around.

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flamepanther 8 years 4 months ago Posts: 948	Reaper wrote: I'm especially interested in the results this time around. I honestly don't see consumers buying a $600 console (Or at least enough to make a profit off it) so I think its going to be mainly between Nintendo and Microsoft for the next generation. I think there's a very good chance of that. Reaper wrote: I don't think the GC had a very strong launch last time (in terms of games) but I'm proud to say they have arguably the best line-up of the next gen consoles this time around. I'd say they have easily the best lineup of launch games this generation, and arguably the best in history, but I won't know for sure until I play them. Zybex wrote: Personally, i'm a fan of the gp2x. http://www.gp2x.com/ Then again, I am geekier than the average bear. I've been interested in that for awhile. It's designed to do exactly what most of the PSP owners I know have (and hack) their PSP for, but without all the hassle. It's a shame that major retailers in the USA don't sell it.

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System 8 years 4 months ago Posts: 74809	The Wii's got a great mix of classic and new titles which is good. Plus its got innovation and the old DL's going for it. Looks like this year will be "Revenge of the Wii".

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