Thread: Laws, laws, laws

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    • 3 years 7 months ago
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    I'm sick of a lot of these laws that exist, like that thread said about texting while driving mentioned. We shouldn't give the cops more power over us.

    Who agrees that there should be a law restricting the use and creation of new laws against these things?
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      Wouldn't that law you're proposing make the law you're proposing against the law?
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        How? What do you mean?
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          That would surely create a paradox...a black hole if you will..I know, I'm a scientist.
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            Interesting concept. The Grandfather paradox comes as a possible conclusion according to my calculations. Lemme just clean my safety goggles for a sec... yes the values are quite consistent.
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              *holds beaker up to the light* "Concur.."
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                Indeed my fellow. Lets grab a beer.
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                  Latest polls show that about 50% Americans feel the government is a direct threat to our freedoms and rights as citizens, with most citing government being too big, having too many laws, and that there's too much government involvement in people's private lives.

                  http://www.gallup.com/poll/185720/half-continue-say-gov-immediate-threat.aspx
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                    People say this, but then they support social justice laws that give certain groups special privileges. They also support program after program that gives people something that someone else has to pay for.

                    America is becoming more and more liberals as more foreigners move in and more children are being raised without fathers to give them a conservative view of the world. Part of this mindset is big government and more entitlements.

                    Women overwhelmingly vote democrat and have a liberal progressive view of the world. Turn on daytime TV and look at how liberal and jaded these shows are. This is indoctrination for women. The only men they see are gay men acting like women on these shows. A good percentage of these women don't have men in their life and their children are being raised with little to no masculinity. For the poor their role models are thugs, in the nicer areas the boys are weak, girly and emotional, just like women. The women become spinsters that are lead to believe they don't need men, mainly because of entitlements that act as their provider. Many of these mothers don't work. They are either getting government assistance and/or child support. They are going to vote to keep those entitlements coming with promises for more. This new generation of children raised by this will also vote this way, especially if they go into college which is also very liberal.

                    So get used to it. Get used to more taxes, more rules, more regulations, more lawsuits, less value on the dollar, more lazy adults, more student loans......basically more of what we have now.

                    I warned you guys 8 years ago......
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                      So, when do you conservatives plan on leaving people alone about marriage, abortion, immigration, religion, recreational drugs, ...?
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                        Quote by stake
                        So, when do you conservatives plan on leaving people alone about marriage, abortion, immigration, religion, recreational drugs, ...?


                        Eh... lemme see here...

                        ... Big hand on the 6... carry the 1... round to the hour...

                        ... yeah, never.

                        I jest. But seriously... there really are too many regulations. Now, that isn't to say that there SHOULDN'T be regulations... oh yes, you MUST have them. I see the need in my own line of work. I also see where it's gone overboard. If we actually followed every regulation as specified in the numerous handbooks we're supposed to adhere to, there would be so many people freezing their butts off in the winter that government would just turn the phones off from all the complaints about us. But then, of course, if something happens and it is determined that a regulation was not followed, we're screwed. So it's all about choosing the ones that actually MATTER, and following those.

                        Last time I sat through a DOT audit (mind you, the guy was actually quite friendly), I was told that we needed to make some changes. Changes like: Write down on the outside of each truck file the tire sizes. WHY??? What purpose could that possibly serve? None whatsoever, considering you can just OPEN THE FILE and look there. It's ridiculous. People sit around in lush government offices writing up things to make into regulations with no experience in any of the jobs it will affect, and no regard for how it will affect the consumer or the business. This is why people develop such an aversion to regulation. You get so fed up with all the stupid stuff, that the stuff that is actually helpful gets lumped in with it as "bad".

                        So are we overregulated? Oh absolutely. But we still need regulations. We just do. It's too bad we can't appreciate how helpful the important ones are, because we are so blinded by hatred for the ones that are ludicrous.
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                          Did you know Mexican truck drivers that come to the USA don't have to follow our rules and regulations? In a state like Texas that means a lot of the truckers are not up to code. Basically you get punished by being a citizen.

                          Imagine how it will be 20 years, 50 years or 100 years from now. People fight these regulations because they know it will never stop.

                          Everyone has an agenda. When the next generation becomes of age, they will want even more changes. They will grow up with all these rules and they won't remember a time when they didn't exist.

                          Lets go over some rules in recent years. You not only can't buy most incondesent bulbs anymore, you also can't buy mercury vapor ballast. Your toilet must be under a certain GPM, the same with shower heads. A/C units can't have R22 refrigerant anymore. R22 keeps going up in price because it will not be made anymore. Because the alternative runs at a higher pressure, the unit must be larger. Also they must have a certain SEER rating to meet government energy efficiency standards. All of these things have tripled the cost of A/C units. Even worst the lines and evaporator are not comparable and must also be replaced. These added cost hurt poor people that can't afford 7 to 10 thousand dollars for a new unit. New cars are costing more because they must have certain features and meet MPG standards. So poorer people keep driver these older cars that are not only unsafe, but worst for the environment. If you want to start a business you must meet a bunch of standards including wheelchair accessibility regardless what kind of business it is. There are so many rules you will probably violate one and not even know it. If you get caught you will be fined. You must hire some women and minorities too regardless of the location of type of business. If none qualify you must do it anyway. In colleges you must have an equal number of female sports. If you have too many males and no females to meet the number, you must drop some male sports. Never mind there are more females in college today. In some places you can get fined for washing your car in the driveway. You can be sued if some kid comes on your private property and gets hurt. You can be prevented from building on your own land if you have any endangers species on your property, even bugs. You have to get permits for just about everything. They can come back and make you tear something down if you don't get one.

                          These are democrats that are making most of these rules. Go to the conservative towns and it's old school.
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                            Quote by stake
                            So, when do you conservatives plan on leaving people alone about marriage, abortion, immigration, religion, recreational drugs, ...?


                            Drugs not only hurt the people that use them, they also hurt families and the community. When these losers fuck their lives up, we have to flip the bill. We also have to deal with the damage they do. Even weed has its faults including making people lazy and aggravating mental health issues. Very few pot head can work a full time job. It isn't so much older people that is the problem, it's the kids that use these drugs because people like you have a passive attitude about them.

                            Immigration isn't the issue, it's millions of illegals that are taking over this country. Come here to Texas and you'll see what I mean. They are not bad people, but there comes a time when we have to say enough is enough. White people worldwide are becoming the minority. Sorry but none whites are not exactly doing a better job running things. Why do Hispanics get to skip the line when others have to go through the proper channels because they don't live on the boarder. Countries like Mexico would change if the people were forced to stay there. Because they can leave they don't fight for change. When was the last time you saw Mexicans protesting in Mexico? Their country isn't that great, that is why they want to come here.

                            Abortion is murder. You can make an argument for rape and incest, but there is a problem when millions of babies are killed, some days before birth because some woman will not take responsibility for her actions and wants to take the easy way out.

                            This country was founded on Christian ideas. Very few had issue with it till atheist spread their hate. I can see stopping new monuments from being put up, but tearing old ones down is just being vindictive. No one is forcing anyone to be a christian. However people are attacking those that want to practice it including trying to convince them they are praying to something that doesn't exist.

                            As I stated in my other comment, we wouldn't mind gay marriage if it stopped with that. The problem is it will not. It will growing into something else. And if you don't think there are more homosexual behavior from youths because of this passive view on homosexuality you're delusional. It's really bad in some areas. Some schools have to keep the restrooms locked because of gay intercourse in the bathrooms. Also a lot of people don't want their weaker kid because hit on by more aggressive homosexuals. I personally had gays try and play with my mind and get me to do something when I was young.

                            Very few people think the USA is better off today, yet we have just what you progressives want. The rules, regulations, diversity, tolerance, social justice, equal rights and all the other things you want. I wonder how it would be if it was still predominate white conservative Christians? How it would be if we had alpha males in charge that had a backbone and kept people in line? That made them get off their ass and work? The most happiest countries are those with a culture. The USA doesn't have a culture anymore. The culture we do have is sex, drugs, autotuned music, celebrity gossip with gays hosting it and social media that spreads false narratives and attacks people in mobs they disagree with. Look at the half time at Superbowl today and the ones from 20+ years ago. Look at daytime TV today and look at it 20+ years ago. Look how people dressed in years pass and look today. How can you say things are better?
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                              I think there are certain things that are better, and certain things that aren't. I agree that our culture is suffering, and our morals are declining pretty quickly. By the time we realize these things matter, it will be too late. All we can do is our best to instill something better in our children and protect them from negative influences as much as possible (example... we homeschool). I see what is becoming of the other children in the age groups of mine. I watch them go from innocent and joyful kids to zombified and disaffected teens addicted to technology and with no foundation for morality. It's really sad and painful to watch. While other 9 year old girls have their noses buried in phones chatting with their friends about *insert terrible modern music artist here* and their exploits on and off the stage, mine only knows that she likes that Final Countdown song and the name of pretty much every Pokemon that exists. Who would she be if she was being molded under the pressures of modern public school? It gives me an ulcer just imagining it.
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                                Quote by bassman21
                                Did you know Mexican truck drivers that come to the USA don't have to follow our rules and regulations? In a state like Texas that means a lot of the truckers are not up to code. Basically you get punished by being a citizen.

                                If this is true then enforcement needs to step up and apply the rules equally; or the rules should change. Never think I am against that. Plenty of things need to be reevaluated. But i'm not a fan of your nihilistic approach.

                                Imagine how it will be 20 years, 50 years or 100 years from now. People fight these regulations because they know it will never stop.

                                Just an example, Clean Air Act, 1970.

                                (Thanks, Nixon!)

                                Regulations. I see below you mention how the environment and safety are important. People aren't going to protect the environment by themselves. As for safety, may I recommend some reading on the topic?


                                The auto industry would never have improved without the kind of outcry (and legislation) generated by this book.


                                The meat industry would never have improved without the kind of outcry (and legislation) generated by this book.

                                Everyone has an agenda. When the next generation becomes of age, they will want even more changes. They will grow up with all these rules and they won't remember a time when they didn't exist.

                                You also have an agenda. Since you are so against changes, you want no changes. You're on the wrong side of history. No change = straight white men are the only people who matter.

                                Lets go over some rules in recent years. [stuff costs money]

                                It's unfortunate, but all of that is, again, for the environment.

                                So poorer people keep driver these older cars that are not only unsafe, but worst for the environment. If you want to start a business you must meet a bunch of standards including wheelchair accessibility regardless what kind of business it is. There are so many rules you will probably violate one and not even know it. If you get caught you will be fined. You must hire some women and minorities too regardless of the location of type of business. If none qualify you must do it anyway. In colleges you must have an equal number of female sports. If you have too many males and no females to meet the number, you must drop some male sports.

                                Look, I think that sounds ridiculous too. I haven't heard about it happening though. Can you tell me about some cases?

                                You have to get permits for just about everything. They can come back and make you tear something down if you don't get one.

                                I don't like this either. At its core is safety. Some cronyism (the part I don't like), but also safety.

                                These are democrats that are making most of these rules.

                                Believe me, I am pretty disappointed in the Democratic party myself.

                                Go to the conservative towns and it's old school.

                                Some peoples' pictures of old school aren't so savory. The klan is still active in some places, which are definitely conservative towns. I'd like to see how this lack of rules works out for somebody who doesn't fit in, opening a business there.
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                                  Drugs not only hurt the people that use them, they also hurt families and the community. When these losers fuck their lives up, we have to flip the bill. We also have to deal with the damage they do.

                                  Never mind the damage caused by the drug cartels, kept in business by illegality. As long as you can tell Joe Schmoe what to do. Drug policy in Norway, Netherlands, etc works better for functional society by being more permissive. Prohibition doesn't work.

                                  White people worldwide are becoming the minority.

                                  The problem with this is...?

                                  Sorry but none whites are not exactly doing a better job running things.

                                  What is this about? Examples?

                                  Why do Hispanics get to skip the line when others have to go through the proper channels because they don't live on the boarder. Countries like Mexico would change if the people were forced to stay there. Because they can leave they don't fight for change. When was the last time you saw Mexicans protesting in Mexico? Their country isn't that great, that is why they want to come here.

                                  Build a wall lol

                                  Abortion is murder.

                                  No, it's not. I assume you've seen or at least heard about this, if not check it out:


                                  Can you counter that argument?
                                  Followup question, should we celebrate conceptiondays instead of birthdays?

                                  some woman will not take responsibility for her actions and wants to take the easy way out.

                                  Some woman. OK, how about the man? In case you haven't heard, it takes two.

                                  This country was founded on Christian ideas.

                                  NO. The founders were extremely clear on this. Religion is to have no bearing on law. If you want religious law check out Iran or Pakistan, I hear they are lovely this time of year. Actually, maybe you would prefer UAE. Rich from oil, keeps women down, few regulations. I'm sure you'll get along just fine.

                                  As I stated in my other comment, we wouldn't mind gay marriage if it stopped with that. The problem is it will not. It will growing into something else.

                                  Like what?
                                  And what do you care how people willingly interact with each other? Why do you want this restriction and not that?

                                  Some schools have to keep the restrooms locked because of gay intercourse in the bathrooms.

                                  I looked for info about this and could only find a whole lot of stuff about straight sex in schools.

                                  Very few people think the USA is better off today, yet we have just what you progressives want. The rules, regulations, diversity, tolerance, social justice, equal rights and all the other things you want.

                                  Not really. We obviously don't have tolerance when someone thinks of the kind of things you write here. Some people talk about social justice but I hear more about it from people who are making fun of it. Rules mainly enforced on the poor don't help much. We have been going all in on Reaganomics for 30 years now. The result of this is middle class shrinks, more people lose their homes and jobs, and CEO pay increases 5000% while wages stagnate. You're right, USA is not better off today. But it's not because of some moral failing on the part of the masses.

                                  I wonder how it would be if it was still predominate white conservative Christians?


                                  Would it be that way? I don't know. Can you say it wouldn't? It most definitely was.

                                  The most happiest countries are those with a culture. The USA doesn't have a culture anymore.

                                  USA doesn't have a culture. Mexico does, right? Culture = happy. So why do all those brown people want to come over to unhappy here and take our jerbs?

                                  Look at the half time at Superbowl today and the ones from 20+ years ago. Look at daytime TV today and look at it 20+ years ago. Look how people dressed in years pass and look today. How can you say things are better?
                                  Halftime in 1995 had Miami Sound Machine (vocals by Gloria Estefan). Daytime TV, really? Jerry Springer? I mean, I like him, but his show is trashy as anything. Donahue, Sally Jesse Raphael, Morton Downey Jr, Jenny Jones? Maybe you meant soap operas.

                                  How people dress??? You hate rules and you're concerned about how people dress? This is what I'm talking about. You don't want to be told what to do, you don't want companies to be told what to do (just in case you own one someday), but gay people talking about famous people hurts you somehow and real men need to keep everybody else in line.
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                                    I admit I'm right of center on average so I'm more of a paleo-libertarian/conservative. For the most part, we did not need laws to keep society polite, it was just something you didn't do. Some ways we are better off, other ways we are not. I guess it is up to your views to see where you fall on the spectrum. I'm more fiscal conservative than socially conservative on most things although in my heart I do have social conservative values I understand that beyond basic Mosaic laws (do not kill, steal, etc.) it should not be the government's job, it is the job of the person and maybe society on it's own. I just advocate we all take responsibility and accountability for our actions when things go right or wrong. It is a shame that compromise has been lost at times where we can talk about things and work out a solution where all can agree.

                                    I certainly don't want a libertine society coupled with over-regulation by government and a weak country as to where we seem to be headed now, but I don't want a restrictive society where you get an American version of the Taliban either, there has to be some happy medium somewhere, again compromise. Even so, compromise means that all get some or most of what they want although many times it is not 100% but people are happy enough. We lost that. I also believe that no matter what, we all should have the oppportunity to access the American Dream, whatever you believe it to be, however, it has to be on your own merits and abilities.

                                    I got into a huge fight with fellow conservative on another forum on the same sex issue. A basic Cliff Notes version, they all called them monsters among other things. I jumped in and said basically, "they are not, most of them just want to be left alone and live their lives in peace. Anyhoo, some of my best friends are gay." I got toss off because of that. The guy who ran the board claims "he is on a mission from God." I shudder when I hear that. I believe in God and pray to Him but when people claim things like that, be careful. Let me add that I lost my mother to imflammatory breast cancer two years ago, some of my best supporting friends were gay and they were very helpful during that time. As long as people are not hurting each other, they should be left alone. I guess I would make a good South Park Republican or a Barry Goldwater type.
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                                      Quote by Ghost
                                      I think there are certain things that are better, and certain things that aren't. I agree that our culture is suffering, and our morals are declining pretty quickly. By the time we realize these things matter, it will be too late. All we can do is our best to instill something better in our children and protect them from negative influences as much as possible (example... we homeschool). I see what is becoming of the other children in the age groups of mine. I watch them go from innocent and joyful kids to zombified and disaffected teens addicted to technology and with no foundation for morality. It's really sad and painful to watch. While other 9 year old girls have their noses buried in phones chatting with their friends about *insert terrible modern music artist here* and their exploits on and off the stage, mine only knows that she likes that Final Countdown song and the name of pretty much every Pokemon that exists. Who would she be if she was being molded under the pressures of modern public school? It gives me an ulcer just imagining it.


                                      Yeah, I do think there are times the internet and cellphones are more negative at times than postitve, then again they are just tools. Blaming the tool is not the answer, a tool can be used for good or bad. I think we as a society want our tools and want to use them but we reject the morals, ethics and so on when and how to use them and so on. I'm just as guilty a the next guy. Overall, I think we place too much of our eggs into the internet and cellphone basket. What if, God forbid, something happens where the power grid and/or the system goes down, people will be lost. I see this, being an amateur radio operator. At least with ham radio, CB and so on, all you need is a radio, antenna and a battery/generator to run it and you're good to go. It would be nice to have a solar panel or whatever to recharge your batteries too. Even if you only have an AM/FM radio, all you need is the radio and batteries and hopefully you can get info that way. It is like we are building a modern day Tower of Babel.
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                                        Let me add that overall,back in the day, we needed the Progressive Movement for things like basic food and drug laws, a few sensible environmental regulations, correcting inequality, some labor laws and so on, but over the years, the goal posts kept on moving. Some call it "The Overton Window," especially if your a Glenn Beck listener (I listen to him) or I prefer this term from the Vietnam War, "mission creep." We went from the time of needed reforms and they were needed to being more overbearing.
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                                          Quote by stake

                                          Can you counter that argument?
                                          Followup question, should we celebrate conception days instead of birthdays?


                                          Bill Nye... LOL. Ahem... okay.

                                          I didn't hear an argument that hasn't been repeated a thousand times in a thousand ways in there. Typical "woman's reproductive rights-it's not a baby-why do you hate women" mumbo jumbo. I also have a right. A right to disagree, and to push for legislation that makes the right to murder a baby a right no longer.

                                          I really get a kick out of the "why don't you want women to have contraception?" strawman. Uh... duh... let's see, you can get it at Walmart for less than $10 bucks. The whole argument has nothing to do with contraception. None. Period.

                                          If someone can't look at what happened in Kermit Gosnell's murder shop or at these Planned Parenthood videos and feel anything but disgust and anger, then I really have to wonder why that's the case. I posit that it's a result of the degradation of morals in our society. If it is actually that I'm just not "enlightened" enough to understand why it's no big deal, then so be it. I don't have to go to sleep at night feeling like I failed people like this:

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