Super Admin: Vertex
|Rap music smells|
|Except Beastie Boys.. they are not counted|
|Teens should know right from wrong and if they dont by the time they are old enough to be called a teen, thier parents are to blame. Its convenient to blame something else rather than look at what the real problem is. I think if anything rappers can be inspirational to some children. Look at the Three 6 Mafia. Do you think they ever thought they would be accepting an award at the Oscars? They probably made alot kids think "Whoa, maybe I can be that successful someday." Rappers are telling a story, just like an author of a book, yet authors are congratulated for getting kids to read, they are never blamed for corrupting them! People are successful in convincing kids that books arent real, why cant they just say the same about lyrics. I let my son (7 yrs old) listen to whatever floats his boat (he listens to a range from Shakira, UB40, Jay-Z, Mystikal, to Drake Bell!) I'm confident in my parenting that he will let me and other real life role models guide him. He will also know the differant between entertainment and reality.|
That is a brilliant argument....I've never thought about it that way before. The only difference is that authors tend to be recluse and don't live a public life reflecting their work. It's apparant that their work is product of imagination, whereas it's less apparant in the lyrics of (most) rap, as the rappers(most of them) tend to write lyrics reflecting their lifestyles (which are generally anti-law, anti-societal, anti-moral, and wrought with greed).
|As a teenager I can honestly say that it's not rap that makes us do what we do. It's purely entertainment(to those who listen to that crap) and it shouldn't be blamed for our actions. Yeah, our parents have everything to do with discipline. Where the heck does personal responsibility come in,though? Shouldn't teenagers be held responsible for their actions and not the music they listen to? Alot of kids I know listen to that stuff without their parents even knowing, so stop blaming mom and dad.|
That's all fine and dandy, but kids in their preteens and early teens aren't just listening to Barney....hell, I was listening to 2 live crew at that age.
|i'm not blaming mom and dad for letting them listen to rap...they should let them. they just need to make sure their kids understand that what they are listening to is entertainment and not an example to live by. And anyway, its not like rap is the only genre that writes about drugs, sex, and violence. Doesnt just about every genre write about it in thier own way? Its the media who decides what to play the most!|
|I think that some rappers rap about what they want you to think thier lifestyle is like, not necessarily what it is. Look at Vanilla Ice and when Hammer tried to get more ghetto! Alot of rappers still rap about the struggle when more than half thier lives they've been rich! Many rappers have said that its just music, dont take it literally.|
|Not all rap is dirty, and not all rock is clean.|
"I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I'm not." -Kurt Cobain
that was deep. =) |
I think you just settled the debate!
Where in my post did I say that kids listened to innocent stuff? I was just saying it's not right to blame the music or the parents for someone's actions.
Okay, time for granpappy Mad-Mikey to sit upon his rocking chair and rant some more........(warning, rant ahead)|
To me, it's a chain cycle, I'm with naught, it's more the parenting, but yes it has poisoned the youth, but it's because THE PARENTS don't care or even endorse the lifestyle, and what do kids run to when their parents don't care or endorse something, they tend to go along with it, and alltogether it's frightening, but not new, I know people who are as old as 30 with the same darn
It all comes down to two things, marketing and parents who don't care or were never raised to be a good parent. Leaving your kids to be raised by the TV or by your own immaturity is like letting the kid sit alone in a playpen before a band of gypsies or worse.
Besides, we can't blame the rap music itself, it's the sheep that believe it's the way to be. And we all know sheep, they are like lemmings, they'll just follow J-lo and 50 cent off the cliff of idocy, eventually to leave me alone, and I can already see a backlash against modern stuff. This will just go away and be replaced by something three times as worse, and by that time, I hope to have found an empty island for myself.
Exactly. Wish I had seen this post sooner.
Watch your tone with me, lil missy.
I was responding to your comment that 'teenagers should be responsible for their own actions'. With kids in their preteens and early teens the responsiblity lies with their parents more often than with themselves.
Wasn't meaning to be snappy,sorry. Yeah, I was referring to older teenagers, rather than pre-teens and young teenagers.
I voted yes, however, I do believe that rap is more an effect of a changing society rather than a cause. At least, that's how it was in the beginning. There's no denying it's had an effect since then, but it may not necessarily be a bad one. It gave the urban youth a voice. |
I dunno, my feeling is that it brought out things/feelings that already existed, but made them more powerful/exaggerated. Trust me, if you took rap music away, it wouldn't change anything. After all, "you have not converted a man because you have silenced him."
PS- Hope I haven't re-stated anything, I haven't read all of the replies.
Immortal Technique - The message and the money|
I agree on everything but referring to them as "musicians" or "artists" |