• thecrow174
    • 8 months 1 day ago
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    		 There was.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0453556/
    There is a battle between two wolves inside us all.

    One is evil and the other one is good. Which wolf will win? The one you feed the most.

    http://unbelievableyou.com/a-native-american-cherokee-story-two-wolves/
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    • bklynbren
      • 8 months 1 day ago
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      vkimo wrote:
      Wasn't there a CGI TMNT movie a little while back that was all trumped up?


      I think I saw that one and thought it was alright.
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      • thecrow174
        • 8 months 1 day ago
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        bklynbren wrote:
        vkimo wrote:
        Wasn't there a CGI TMNT movie a little while back that was all trumped up?


        I think I saw that one and thought it was alright.

        Likewise.
        There is a battle between two wolves inside us all.

        One is evil and the other one is good. Which wolf will win? The one you feed the most.

        http://unbelievableyou.com/a-native-american-cherokee-story-two-wolves/
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        • Derk
          • 8 months 15 hours ago
          • Posts: 1471
          stake n sheak wrote:
          Derk wrote:
          Oroku Saki.


          *ahem* His name is Eric Sachs now.


          Ugh. Of course that's his name.
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          • Fuzz
            • 8 months 14 hours ago
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            yellow_submarine wrote:
            Fuzz wrote:
            yellow_submarine wrote:
            He may not be directing it personally, but his style (or lack thereof) is being heavily fitted onto the TMNT property. It's basically a Michael Bay movie.

            For the sake of argument, can you elaborate with some specific examples?


            Bad Boys, Armageddon, The Rock, The Island. All flashy, popcorn flicks built around special effects over anything else. In fact there are couple sequences from The Island that were recycled straight into one of the Transformers movies.

            Unfortunately, "flashy, popcorn flicks built around special effects" isn't really specific examples. That could be said for a lot of movies nowadays, not just Michael Bay films. We've only seen a few moments of the new TMNT film so far. How can you possibly says that how it's going to be?
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            • stake n sheak
              • 8 months 14 hours ago
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              bklynbren wrote:
              Wow, stuff like that makes you think, are they trying to piss people off??
              I know, right?

              Fuzz wrote:

              Unfortunately, "flashy, popcorn flicks built around special effects" isn't really specific examples.
              Bad Boys, Armageddon, The Rock, The Island?

              Fuzz wrote:
              That could be said for a lot of movies nowadays, not just Michael Bay films. We've only seen a few moments of the new TMNT film so far. How can you possibly says that how it's going to be?
              How many chances are we supposed to give to a certain person or studio? There comes a point where you've been disappointed so many times, you stop expecting to like what they do.
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              • Echidna64
                • 8 months 13 hours ago
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                Derk wrote:
                stake n sheak wrote:
                Derk wrote:
                Oroku Saki.


                *ahem* His name is Eric Sachs now.


                Ugh. Of course that's his name.


                Sachs, like Goldman Sachs, SYMBOLISM! *facepalm
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                • Fuzz
                  • 8 months 12 hours ago
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                  stake n sheak wrote:
                  Fuzz wrote:
                  Unfortunately, "flashy, popcorn flicks built around special effects" isn't really specific examples.
                  Bad Boys, Armageddon, The Rock, The Island?
                  I asked for specific examples of his filming style that are unique to his movies. Nobody ever seems to be able to come up with anything besides explosions and CGI. Lots of movies have explosions and CGI effects. That's a poor agrument, and is no different as saying his films suck because people speak in them.

                  stake n sheak wrote:
                  Fuzz wrote:
                  That could be said for a lot of movies nowadays, not just Michael Bay films. We've only seen a few moments of the new TMNT film so far. How can you possibly says that how it's going to be?
                  How many chances are we supposed to give to a certain person or studio? There comes a point where you've been disappointed so many times, you stop expecting to like what they do.

                  But what chances does he need? Not many of Bay's films, if any, are financial failures, which is perfectly obvious by the number of people that continue to go see them. They may not be winning any Oscars, but they are always entertaining. If a movie is entertaining, than I'd hardly call that failure.

                  The only people that seem to be complaining nowadays are the Transformer fanboys, and now the TMNT fanboys, because they're "childhoods have been raped." That such a stupid statement. Nothing from your childhood has changed. Bay hasn't magically gone back in time and change anything. Everything that you remember from back then that was awesome is still awesome.

                  These new turtles are just a modern re-imaging of a 30 year old franchise. I really can't understand the hate for the way the turtles look. People complaining that they have lips and nostrils now. Well why the hell wouldn't they? They're humanoids. Humans have lips. Humans have nostrils. Turtles have nostrils? If they were CGI versions of their comic book/cartoon counterparts, they would look ridiculous on film. I remember this same exact arguments about the Transformers movies.
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                  • Fuzz
                    • 8 months 11 hours ago
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                    		 He apparently is giving people what they want to see.


                    http://i.onionstatic.com/avclub/3856/01/original/620.jpg
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                    • SuperRainCheck
                      • 8 months 11 hours ago
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                      		 I think that because Michael Bay's films make money (and are popularly known) is the reason CGI and explosions are attributed to his name. It doesn't matter that other films do those things, those are the things people recognize as "his style". The problem you're stuck on is being "unique".

                      M. Night Shyamalan, Wes Anderson, Jim Henson, Steven Spielberg, Uwe Boll, Nolan, Hayao Miyazaki, Walt Disney, Don Bluth, and Tim Burton movies all have "stylistic elements" that people recognize like a movie signature.

                      Remember the movie Coraline? The ads said, "From the Director of the Nightmare Before Christmas." People were thinking of Tim Burton, but Henry Selick was the Director. The more popular name is attributed to movies that look similar, whether or not they are.

                      Michael Bay made Transformers (an 80s action cartoon) into a live-action/CGI action-packed summer blockbuster. When the Ninja Turtles (an 80s action cartoon) get a similar treatment, and includes Megan Fox (an actress from the Transformers series) and is being produced by a company that is owned by Bay, people connect dots and see what they expect. Even if Bay is not the director, people say they wouldn't be surprised if it was a movie he directed, hence the comment where the Turtles could be replaced with Transformers.
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                      • stake n sheak
                        • 8 months 9 hours ago
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                        Fuzz wrote:
                        ...That's a poor agrument...
                        Ah, now I understand your meaning.

                        Fuzz wrote:
                        The only people that seem to be complaining nowadays are the Transformer fanboys, and now the TMNT fanboys, because they're "childhoods have been raped."
                        I don't care. I don't think I've never seen any of Michael Bay's movies. Maybe The Rock but I think I remember it being boring. And honestly, I liked the 1990 and 1991 TMNT movies at the time but watching them now, they are mostly garbage. I'll stick to the Mirage comics which as you say, still exist and are not affected by ANY of the shitty movies or TV shows* that have been made.

                        Also, back in about 1992, I saw on the comic book store stands a TMNT comic, the cover of which was painted by a guest artist, and depicted them with noses similar to the design in this new movie. My best friend and I thought it looked stupid as hell then so it's hardly surprising (to me at least) that people don't like it now.

                        Anyway I probably won't be seeing this new movie, but not because explosions. Because, same reason I didn't watch the 2007 movie, it looks like it has a lot of really terrible jokes and doesn't take the characters seriously.

                        *excludes 2003 series and Fast Forward, which were both pretty good
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                        • vkimo
                          • 8 months 8 hours ago
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                          		 I liked Pain & Gain which Michael Bay directed. There were hardly and explosions and no CGI. Unless by CGI you're referring to calves, glutes and innuendo.
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                          • yellow_submarine
                            • 7 months 29 days ago
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                            Fuzz wrote:
                            stake n sheak wrote:
                            Fuzz wrote:
                            Unfortunately, "flashy, popcorn flicks built around special effects" isn't really specific examples.
                            Bad Boys, Armageddon, The Rock, The Island?
                            I asked for specific examples of his filming style that are unique to his movies. Nobody ever seems to be able to come up with anything besides explosions and CGI. Lots of movies have explosions and CGI effects. That's a poor agrument, and is no different as saying his films suck because people speak in them.

                            stake n sheak wrote:
                            Fuzz wrote:
                            That could be said for a lot of movies nowadays, not just Michael Bay films. We've only seen a few moments of the new TMNT film so far. How can you possibly says that how it's going to be?
                            How many chances are we supposed to give to a certain person or studio? There comes a point where you've been disappointed so many times, you stop expecting to like what they do.

                            But what chances does he need? Not many of Bay's films, if any, are financial failures, which is perfectly obvious by the number of people that continue to go see them. They may not be winning any Oscars, but they are always entertaining. If a movie is entertaining, than I'd hardly call that failure.

                            The only people that seem to be complaining nowadays are the Transformer fanboys, and now the TMNT fanboys, because they're "childhoods have been raped." That such a stupid statement. Nothing from your childhood has changed. Bay hasn't magically gone back in time and change anything. Everything that you remember from back then that was awesome is still awesome.

                            These new turtles are just a modern re-imaging of a 30 year old franchise. I really can't understand the hate for the way the turtles look. People complaining that they have lips and nostrils now. Well why the hell wouldn't they? They're humanoids. Humans have lips. Humans have nostrils. Turtles have nostrils? If they were CGI versions of their comic book/cartoon counterparts, they would look ridiculous on film. I remember this same exact arguments about the Transformers movies.


                            It's not a poor argument, when it's universally understood as a shorthand. "Explosions and CGI" may as well be a subgenre by now and it's mainly because of dudes like Michael Bay sucking out any form of nuanced characterization that make one care about the outcome of a film. I've seen all of his movies. Sometimes a shitty action movie is okay (and the Texas Chainsaw remake he produced is really good), unfortunately he got a hold of a few things he shouldn't have gotten near.

                            For your argument that "only fanboys are complaining", I was not a Transformers fan as a kid. But what I did like about them were the iconic designs. The one identifying aspect of the franchise, he managed to screw up. Would they look ridiculous on screen? Not nearly as stupid as the versions we got, which were over-detailed, bland and indistinguishable.

                            The point is, if you're going to change something that much, why adapt it at all?
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                            • vkimo
                              • 7 months 29 days ago
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                              		 These quote trains are getting a little out of hand. If you want to respond to a point made by another user, please just quote that sentence and not the whole post.
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                              • Pinface
                                • 7 months 16 days ago
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                                		 But The Rock, Armageddon, The Island and Bad Boys were damned good movies and Pain and Gain was fun.

                                Who thinks the turtles's faces in this movie fall in the uncanny valley?
                                "Nobody wants to see vampire killers or vampires either! apparently all they want are demented madmen running around in ski-masks hacking up young virgins"-Peter Vincent from Fright Night.
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                                • Guild_Navigator
                                  • 7 months 1 day ago
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                                  Wow... You went beyond the call of duty,Bay. You officially exceeded my expectations of crappiness.
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                                  • thecrow174
                                    • 7 months 1 day ago
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                                    		 Here's trailer #2. Not much to show in this one.

                                    There is a battle between two wolves inside us all.

                                    One is evil and the other one is good. Which wolf will win? The one you feed the most.

                                    http://unbelievableyou.com/a-native-american-cherokee-story-two-wolves/
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                                    • thecrow174
                                      • 7 months 1 day ago
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                                      Guild_Navigator wrote:


                                      Wow... You went beyond the call of duty,Bay. You officially exceeded my expectations of crappiness.

                                      Must be Donatello's victory yell.
                                      There is a battle between two wolves inside us all.

                                      One is evil and the other one is good. Which wolf will win? The one you feed the most.

                                      http://unbelievableyou.com/a-native-american-cherokee-story-two-wolves/
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                                      • stake n sheak
                                        • 7 months 10 hours ago
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                                        		 Shredder is April's father and he created the turtles to be heroes. Alrighty then.
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                                        • DoctorRyanB1
                                          • 6 months 28 days ago
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                                          		 You know the remakes over the last few years just keep on coming and coming and coming. I wonder what the next train wreck reboot will be?
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