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vkimo
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What are your thoughts on the Travon Martin/George Zimmerman verdict?
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yellow_submarine
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Haven't read the details, but his lawyer must be a real scumbag.
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thecrow174 1 year 4 months ago Posts: 9806	The parents must be throwing a fit.
	There is a battle between two wolves inside us all. One is evil and the other one is good. Which wolf will win? The one you feed the most. http://unbelievableyou.com/a-native-american-cherokee-story-two-wolves/
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Derk 1 year 4 months ago Posts: 1471	I'm not completely clear on what's against the rules/isn't when it pertains to this, so I'll just say that this verdict was disgusting and pathetic. I honestly didn't expect to be so crushed/angered over it, but I was. It was/is just a sad situation. A kid was shot and killed for walking home and nothing was done. What made it even worse was the scumbag defense attorneys at their press conference. It was absolutely sickening to watch them try to pretend like they remotely cared about Treyvon Martin. Some of their other quotes were also maddening. Also in Florida? A black lady fired a gun into a ceiling (http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/11/justice/florida-stand-ground-sentencing) and got 20 years. Zimmerman killed a 17-year-old kid and walked away a free man. I'm thinking it's time to do this for real:

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thecrow174 1 year 4 months ago Posts: 9806	Separate Florida from Georgia and Alabama?
	There is a battle between two wolves inside us all. One is evil and the other one is good. Which wolf will win? The one you feed the most. http://unbelievableyou.com/a-native-american-cherokee-story-two-wolves/
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Derk 1 year 4 months ago Posts: 1471	thecrow174 wrote: Separate Florida from Georgia and Alabama? More like (as Bugs says in the actual cartoon), "South American, take it away!"

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RomanBlade86 1 year 4 months ago Posts: 289	Trayvon is not the only one dead. Just look at this forum. It looks like a damn wasteland as it once had a lot of activity and now there aren't many people left and I'm left looking through old forums and articles. I got here way too late.

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Alyssa Branen 1 year 4 months ago Posts: 2171	I think it's sad. The jury did their job though. They had to use the facts they were presented with and not focus on emotions, hearsay and media speculation. I'm sure it sucks to be a juror. You can't just convict someone because you feel in your heart it's true.

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retroman 1 year 4 months ago Posts: 702 Globally Banned	vkimo wrote: What are your thoughts on the Travon Martin/George Zimmerman verdict? I find the verdict scandelious
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thecrow174 1 year 4 months ago Posts: 9806	There have been protests regarding the verdict in places like L.A. and New York. Some of the protests have been peaceful, from what I've heard.
	There is a battle between two wolves inside us all. One is evil and the other one is good. Which wolf will win? The one you feed the most. http://unbelievableyou.com/a-native-american-cherokee-story-two-wolves/
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bklynbren 1 year 4 months ago Posts: 868	When talking with co-workers about this case I said he would walk, and sure enough... I thought this would happen because the witnesses testified that Travon was on top of Zimmerman pummeling him, everything else was speculation and we only had Zimmerman’s side of the story. What I find ridiculous is Al Sharpton and all these protesters. Where is all this outrage when innocent kids in the ghetto get shot playing in playgrounds? I read about it almost every day in the paper, who’s protesting for them? I don’t hear a peep from big Al or Jesse Jackson unless the story has the whole countries attention. Why don’t they protest the gang violence, or is it only outrageous when it’s a police officer or non-black pulling the trigger? Most of these people protesting are gang members themselves just looking to get some free shit and cause a little destruction. I know if I was a hard working man supporting my family (which I am), I wouldn’t be out there protesting shit. Now I really hate the fact that there are so many teenagers running around with illegal guns; most of the shootings I read about involve some teen gang member shooting at rivals and hitting everyone but their intended target. I really feel bad for the victims and their families, and rage towards these teens with guns. Travon had been texting about guns and being a gangster, so if that’s true I say good riddance. I'd rather it be him than some innocent child cought in his cross fire.

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retroman 1 year 4 months ago Posts: 702 Globally Banned	thecrow174 wrote: There have been protests regarding the verdict in places like L.A. and New York. Some of the protests have been peaceful, from what I've heard. I should not be talking about this anymore it's over and done with
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Derk 1 year 4 months ago Posts: 1471	bklynbren wrote: Travon had been texting about guns and being a gangster, so if that’s true I say good riddance. I'd rather it be him than some innocent child cought in his cross fire. He was a 17-year-old kid. Much like the kids you've described, that was someone's son walking home, only to be stalked, profiled, and killed. Perhaps you were perfect when you were seventeen, but most of us weren't. I can personally say I did/said tons of stupid shit at seventeen that I cringe at now. Most don't deserve to be shot for making these adolescent mistakes. I understand everyone has an opinion on everything, and while I respect that, yours makes you sound painfully ignorant.

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bklynbren 1 year 4 months ago Posts: 868	Derk wrote: bklynbren wrote: Travon had been texting about guns and being a gangster, so if that’s true I say good riddance. I'd rather it be him than some innocent child cought in his cross fire. He was a 17-year-old kid. Much like the kids you've described, that was someone's son walking home, only to be stalked, profiled, and killed. Perhaps you were perfect when you were seventeen, but most of us weren't. I can personally say I did/said tons of stupid shit at seventeen that I cringe at now. Most don't deserve to be shot for making these adolescent mistakes. I understand everyone has an opinion on everything, and while I respect that, yours makes you sound painfully ignorant. Oh so you want to indirectly call me ignorant? That makes you sound painfully like a pussy! Regarding Travon, I'll admit I didn't like how it all went down. There were mistakes made on both sides; Zimmerman should not have been following Travon, and when confronted Travon shouldn't have tried to beat him up. When was the last time you tried to kick a neighborhood watches ass just because they approached you? I would be more likely to answer the question and maybe even thank them for trying to help the neighborhood. And yes I was almost perfect when I was a teen and I'm proud of that. If you did stupid shit when you were a teen that's your own fault, I don't relate nor tolorate all the bullshit these kids are doing now. This is how you sound to me...he's a good boy, I mean I know he's a gangster now and deals with guns and stuff but he's only seventeen, after he gets all the gangbanging out of his system he'll eventually become a contributing member of society....rediculous, if he was my son I would have raised him right and he would have never been shot that day!

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vkimo 1 year 4 months ago Posts: 2323 Forum Mod Editor	Why was this locked? I'm opening it back up for discussion. Just ease up on the name calling and carry on debating like big people!

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retroman 1 year 4 months ago Posts: 702 Globally Banned	vkimo wrote: Why was this locked? I'm opening it back up for discussion. Just ease up on the name calling and carry on debating like big people! I'm not going to debate anymore
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bassman21 1 year 4 months ago Posts: 4553	I honestly don't think most people understand this case. Most of the anti Zimmerman people I have spoke with know very little about it. They're just jumping on the bandwagon. The general consensus is if you're black and/or you're a liberal you don't think justice was served. Here are some facts. This case wasn't about Zimmerman following Martin. It wasn't even IF he confronted him. It was about rather or not he feared for his life when Martin was on top beating the crap out of him. Zimmerman had cuts on his head consistent to having it smashed into the sidewalk. There was eye witness that saw Martin on top doing this as well as punching "MA style". Zimmerman had a broken nose, Martin only had a small abrasion on his hand. Zimmerman's back was wet indicating he was on the ground on his back. The jury's job was to determine if Zimmerman was justified in shooting Martin while he was on top beating him. The answer to that is yes. When you get into a fight with someone you're supposed to stop hitting them once they hit the ground. Martin was on top beating him. At what point does a person say enough is enough as their head is being smashing into the concrete and they are being repeatedly punched? People have died from being beaten and under these circumstances it was justified under Florida law to shoot Martin if he fear for his life. The media has created this. They portrayed Martin as a innocent child by showing pictures when he was 14 years old. Martin was much older, bigger and meaner when he was shot. The pictures of Zimmerman was when he was much larger. At the time of the confrontation he was much thinner and was shorter than Martin. Martin had the "gansta" mentality. He was on suspension from school when he was shot for being in possession of marijuana. There are pictures online of him smoking it. He sent text about wanting to get a gun. There is a video of him refereeing a street fight. His girlfriend admitting he called Zimmerman a "creepy ass cracker". None of this was known at first and the public already formed an opinion of Zimmerman and Martin. This is enough for now.

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bassman21 1 year 4 months ago Posts: 4553	Derk wrote: bklynbren wrote: Travon had been texting about guns and being a gangster, so if that’s true I say good riddance. I'd rather it be him than some innocent child cought in his cross fire. He was a 17-year-old kid. Much like the kids you've described, that was someone's son walking home, only to be stalked, profiled, and killed. Perhaps you were perfect when you were seventeen, but most of us weren't. I can personally say I did/said tons of stupid shit at seventeen that I cringe at now. Most don't deserve to be shot for making these adolescent mistakes. I understand everyone has an opinion on everything, and while I respect that, yours makes you sound painfully ignorant. I've been hearing this "stalked, profiled, and killed" language a lot. Zimmerman was a neighborhood watchmen. There had been burglaries in their complex from young black males that resembled Martin. Martin was staying with his dad due to the suspension from school. Zimmerman never saw him there before. In Zimmerman's eyes Martin was acting erratic. We don't know in which way if at all. During the 911 call Martin had 5 minutes to get home when Zimmerman said "he's running now" Running, Martin could have been home in two minutes. At the time of the confrontation 5 minutes later Martin was only a few hundred feet from where he started running 5 minutes before. Why did he stick around while that creepy ass cracka was follwoing him? When and if Zimmerman confronted him (we don't know), why didn't Martin just tell him who he was and where he lived? Why didn't Martin call 911 if he was so scared or call his dad? On a side note why in the hell was he out of the house anyway? If he was my kid he would be in his bedroom writing sentences or something for getting in trouble at school? Did Martin maybe sneak out? Was this why he was acting so suspicious to Zimmerman? So much we don't know. Like I said about this trial was about rather or not Zimmerman had the right to shoot him while being beaten by Martin and I and the jury thinks it was.

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Ghost of Vapor 1 year 4 months ago Posts: 360	I didn't follow this story AT ALL. I will never understand it's importance to those of us not involved with it. Especially in light of so many other, far more horrific actions taken around this time. When we were traveling home from Florida, we stayed one night in Brunswick, Ga. That very day, two teens had approached a woman with her 13 month old child for money, before shooting her child in the face from point blank range. Where is the media outrage for this child and it's mother?
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SuperRainCheck 1 year 4 months ago Posts: 366	How do you know Martin wasn't acting in self-defense? Every self-defense course I've taken has emphasized that you strike towards the face and take the fight to the ground. Once you're on the ground, you need to get on top in order to control the situation. The injuries to the back of Zimmerman's head were the same injuries I've seen from someone falling wrong and hitting their head onto concrete. The first thing the courses teach is how to fall correctly so you don't end up hurting your head like that, because your head strikes twice (once on the initial impact and then after the neck springs back). I've done it before and it was painful and disorienting for at least a minute. Sadly, you're out of luck if the attacker has a gun.

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