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    When grunge music appeared on TV, and on mainstream radio. Nothing against grunge .. Some great songs came out of that era.
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      stake n sheak wrote:
      Now we are getting somewhere. Official. We just need to find out which authority said that and when, and then the answer will be truly decided. This thread can be pointed to, should anyone try to ask this question again. And we will know for sure, that Nirvana is indeed officially responsible for killing the 80s.


      What? Am I not authority enough for you? ;)
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        thecrow174 wrote:
        chokeslam wrote:
        The 80s officially ended when the "Smells Like Teen Spirit" video premiered on MTV.

        LOL what?! :lol: It premiered in 1991! :lol:


        Yeah, that was kind of a joke and of course I did not mean that literally. However, grunge is the first form of music that was considered distinctly 90s, and Nirvana is considered my most to be the flagship of grunge music, and "Smells like Teen Spirit" was their first mega-hit. The truth is that alot of 80s culture, including the music, persisted well into the chronological 90s. You still had a lot of what I call bubble gum rap with bands such a Bel-Biv-Devo, Another Bad Creation and Chris-Cross and of course DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince were still going strong. Also many of the classic 80s hair bands were still filling stadiums through the early 90s and few new ones such as Slaughter and Firehouse even popped up in the early 90s and did very well. Maybe it would be more accurate to say the the cultural 90s began with the premier of "Smells Like Teen Spirit" and that the two cultures coexisted for a few years (with is usually the case early in a decade). Honestly, I think the 80s persisted to at least 1993 and maybe into 1994 but I remember 80s culture being pretty much gone by 1995.
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          TombbaP wrote:
          80's as a decade ended 12/31/89 and 90's as a decade ended 12/31/99 but culturally it's not so easy to say. I was born in 1992 and when I look at pictures from that time when I was born my mom and everybody else's clothes and hairstyles still look to be very much in 80's style and when you compare clothing styles for example from 91 to 97 there seems to be a difference. Then when you compare styles from early 00's they have more in common with styles from late 90's than the styles from early 90's has.
          So I'd say that 80's ended culturally in the early 90's and then 90's culturally ended in the early 00's
          These cultural transitions between decades can often be seen from movies from those times. It seems that 80's started 81-83 but between 80's and 90's the transition seems to have been slower so it's really hard to put a year on it but it was probably sometimes between late 91 to early 93. And same way it seems to me that 90's ended around 01-03 so I guess you could consider any decade culturally ending couple years after it has actually ended...


          A lot of people forget that there is more to a decade than just clothing and electronics. The Disney Renaissance lasted the whole 90s (with Tarzan coming out in 1999) but was definitley a thing of the past by 2003 and then there's 9/11 and reality shows blew up in the early 2000s. Point is, with the exception of maybe 2000, the early 00s just couldn't be in the same boat as even the late 90s.
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            TheEducator wrote:
            Laddersnake wrote:
            donnie darko wrote:
            Decades don't really suddenly end but rather there is just a point where the old paradigm is eclipsed by the new one. There tends to be a mixing period of a few years. For the 80s/90s that would be 1989-93, for the 90s/00s that would be 1998-2005 and for the 00s/10s maybe 06-11 or so.

            The decades since the 90s have been less markedly different so the transitions are much longer and blurrier, I think. The only thing that continues to change rapidly is technology. I think all of the years since 1992 only count for one 70s or one 80s to be honest.




            2005? YouTube, Facebook and Wikipedia were all around then. It's hard case to consider 2005 in the same boat as 1998. As for your "longer transitions", apart from fashion...just no.


            Eh, Youtube was nothing in 2005...same with wikipedia. Fledgling stages for those.

            Facebook was a phenomenon with the college students in 2005, and they were the only ones allowed on at that point.

            The problem with this sort of topic is it's subjective and everyone is just trying to speak in generalities.

            I can definitely recognize an "80s sound" in music, though. Even if I've never heard a song before, I can tell within the first few bars it's an 80s song. Well, the one exception to this is "What I Am" by Edie Brickell. That doesn't sound 80s.


            Eh, YouTube was part of my life in the mid-00s...same with Wikipedia. Good memories with those.

            Facebook was used by college students in 2005, and although they were the only ones allowed on at that point, they still participated in this phenomenon.

            The problem with this sort of topic is that people don't tend to analyze the years very deeply and a lot of people even confuse one cultural period with another.

            I can definitley recognize distinct sounds in 80s, 90s and 00s music though. Even if I've never heard a song before, I can usually correctly predict whether it's from the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s or 10s. One possible exception is "Knowledge Me" by Original Concept. It's amazing to think that it's from 1986, which is before "Everywhere" by Fleetwood Mac was released.
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              Boomerang Bro wrote:
              Probably in mid-late 1991. The 80s were killed by Nirvana (I'm not saying that Nirvana is bad, but that was when 80s culture ended and 90s culture began in my opinion. Nirvana was a very good group that will never be forgotten).


              Home Alone was released in 1990 and although it certainly does have 80s-like aspects to it (apparently it was at least partly filmed in the 80s anyway) it does have a 90s vibe, especially when you couple it with the second film.
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                chokeslam wrote:
                thecrow174 wrote:
                chokeslam wrote:
                The 80s officially ended when the "Smells Like Teen Spirit" video premiered on MTV.

                LOL what?! :lol: It premiered in 1991! :lol:


                Yeah, that was kind of a joke and of course I did not mean that literally. However, grunge is the first form of music that was considered distinctly 90s, and Nirvana is considered my most to be the flagship of grunge music, and "Smells like Teen Spirit" was their first mega-hit. The truth is that alot of 80s culture, including the music, persisted well into the chronological 90s. You still had a lot of what I call bubble gum rap with bands such a Bel-Biv-Devo, Another Bad Creation and Chris-Cross and of course DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince were still going strong. Also many of the classic 80s hair bands were still filling stadiums through the early 90s and few new ones such as Slaughter and Firehouse even popped up in the early 90s and did very well. Maybe it would be more accurate to say the the cultural 90s began with the premier of "Smells Like Teen Spirit" and that the two cultures coexisted for a few years (with is usually the case early in a decade). Honestly, I think the 80s persisted to at least 1993 and maybe into 1994 but I remember 80s culture being pretty much gone by 1995.


                By 1994, there was Power Rangers and Kurt Cobain was dead for the majority of the year. No way is 1994 like the 80s.
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                  When did 2011 actually end? I think it lasted until March 2012.

                  When did Friday May 24 2013 actually end? I was up til 3 last night, so 3:30 AM May 25.
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                    stake n sheak wrote:
                    When did 2011 actually end? I think it lasted until March 2012.

                    When did Friday May 24 2013 actually end? I was up til 3 last night, so 3:30 AM May 25.


                    I usually go to bed before midnight so I can be ready for the morning. I don't recommend that you stay up til 3 am because you'll miss the sunrise.
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                      Not if I stay up til 6 am.
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                        When you think about it cultural trends are almost a paradox. I mean 1989 was similar to 1988 which was similar to 1987 which was similar to 1986 which was similar to 1985 which was similar to 1984, and yet 1984 was not that similar to 1989. So we have a chain of things that are all very similar but end up being very different.
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                          Cultural shifts are gradual. This seems to be a high-level concept for some people. It's much like age. A 20 year old is not much different from a 19 year old, from 18, 17, 16, 15, 14 etc. But 20 is vastly different from 14.

                          When I was about 26, I saw some teenagers on the street. I don't see teens very often, so I was stricken by the notion, "people born in the 90s are having sex!" That was my first and only "omg I'm getting old" moment. Going by the headlines I see on pop culture websites these days, many people are not able to get past this. Yeah, time is fucking passing. That's how the world works. It's really very simple.

                          Decade descriptors are sometimes good for describing a particular trend, be it in film or fashion or music. Taking it any more seriously than that and applying it to everything and dictating that some massive, all-encompassing shift was this day or that is something I just cannot understand. Respect the calendar rollover. Decades do not overlap. Nor do they act like walls that keep everything here and there, or bulldozers that push everything along.
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                            stake n sheak wrote:
                            Cultural shifts are gradual. This seems to be a high-level concept for some people. It's much like age. A 20 year old is not much different from a 19 year old, from 18, 17, 16, 15, 14 etc. But 20 is vastly different from 14.

                            When I was about 26, I saw some teenagers on the street. I don't see teens very often, so I was stricken by the notion, "people born in the 90s are having sex!" That was my first and only "omg I'm getting old" moment. Going by the headlines I see on pop culture websites these days, many people are not able to get past this. Yeah, time is fucking passing. That's how the world works. It's really very simple.

                            Decade descriptors are sometimes good for describing a particular trend, be it in film or fashion or music. Taking it any more seriously than that and applying it to everything and dictating that some massive, all-encompassing shift was this day or that is something I just cannot understand. Respect the calendar rollover. Decades do not overlap. Nor do they act like walls that keep everything here and there, or bulldozers that push everything along.


                            I would've said that long ago but tell that to the people who keep acting as if the core 00s was 2006/07/08!
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                              Someone once referred to the lead singer and guitarist of the 2000s group Puddle of Mudd as a Kurt Cobain knockoff, because he has the same blonde hair and voice as he did.
                              There is a battle between two wolves inside us all.

                              One is evil and the other one is good. Which wolf will win? The one you feed the most.

                              http://unbelievableyou.com/a-native-american-cherokee-story-two-wolves/
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                                donnie darko wrote:
                                Would you consider house music and new jack swing more of an 80s thing or a 90s thing? Stuff like Black Box, Technotronic, Neneh Cherry, Paula Abdul, Dee-lite, Milli Vanilli, C+C Music Factory, etc. That kind of music was cool for a few years there from 1989 to '93 but was pretty outdated after that.


                                I tend to see most of these as 80s holdovers. Paula Abdul was a fashion driven female solo artist and therefore clearly an offshoot of Tiffany and Debbie Gibson. C&C and Technotronic had a hip-hop sort of feel and were the final branch on the family tree that Run DMC started in the mid 80s. Sure they had evolved quite a bit since then, but they were an evolutionary dead end that was outcompeted by Grunge and Gansta Rap. Dee-lite was pure 70's retro and as 70s retro was big in the 90s I would call them 90s. And Milli Vanilli, well I'll just say woe be to the decade that would claim them.

                                So what about McHammer, Young MC, Bel-Biv-Devo, DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince? 80s or 90s?
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                                  TheMusicdewd18 wrote:
                                  The 80's ended in 1991. The Big Hair was faded out, Hair Metal faded out, and Grunge took over the charts.

                                  The 90's ended when shitty boy bands, teen pop, and nu-metal took over the music scene in the late 90's/early 2000's.


                                  Yes, but I don't remember boys band lasting very long into the 2000s. Its as thought crappy boy bands are harbingers of the end of a decade. I mean the late 80s had NKOtB, the late 90s had Back Steet Boys and N-Sync. They are like the stinky waste product that is expelled at the end of a decade.
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                                    Sometimes It's hard to judge for some people to tell what decade there from....
                                    As for me well i was born in the late Summer of 1989 and me personalty i love most all of the 70's 80's 90' and 00's but not today Gen it kinda really sucks. I feel bad for what the kids are watching these days on TV and plus i get very sad and lonely in my room just listening and playing all 70's 80' 90's and 00's stuff.
                                    It's like if something die in your room or a ghost telling you crazy stuff. If i just started playing my old Sega Genesis or N64 or even a Game Boy Advance. Hell even Atari 2600. It Will really sound scary from just playing them all....:shock:
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                                      The first Home Alone began filming in 1989? Anyways I don't think the first Home Alone has a super 80s or 90s vibe, overall it's definitely seen as a 90s thing but I see it somewhat in between myself. It looked very old during the mid/late 90s, the first one anyways.
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                                        donnie darko wrote:
                                        The first Home Alone began filming in 1989? Anyways I don't think the first Home Alone has a super 80s or 90s vibe, overall it's definitely seen as a 90s thing but I see it somewhat in between myself. It looked very old during the mid/late 90s, the first one anyways.


                                        Of course it's not really going to have a strong 80s or 90s vibe. It was at least partly filmed at the end of one decade and released at the beginning of another. As you can probably guess, the most 90s-ish films would probably be filmed around 1994 and released around 1995.
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                                          Dyzfunk7ional wrote:
                                          Technically from 1980-1989. In practice/reality from 1980-1991.


                                          The 1980s:

                                          Literally? 1980 - 1989
                                          Culturally? 1982-1990
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