• donnie darko
    • 1 year 7 months ago
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    		 I was born at the beginning of 1990, and I'm 23 years old, and from what I remember, the 90s definitely didn't end right in the year 2000. The year 2000 was pretty much identical to 1999, and the early 2000s still had a lot of 90s flavor. I have no problem considering the year 2000 part of the 90s when it comes to the pop culture. It wasn't measurably different whatsoever. I'd say the 00s started in 2001 in a political sense and maybe 2003 in a cultural sense, when crunk and emo got popular and blogging became a popular hobby.

    Even 2005 had a lot of 90s artists hit the charts. I don't think the 90s felt like a distant time until maybe '06.

    Was it similar for the 80s into the early 90s? 1990 still seems pretty 80s to me, aside from the fact that was the year that hip hop music and culture really exploded in my opinion. But other than that, I don't think the 90s really began until 1991, and the 80s weren't totally dead by any means until 93/94.

    And since the mid 90s to late 00s in many ways, forms a distinct "Millennial Era", you could practically induct the whole early 90s as part of the "greater eighties" when compared to the 15 years or so afterwards. But then again I wasn't really around then - am I dead wrong?

    I don't think you can just draw a line at 12/31/89 and say "this is 80s culture" on one side and then "this is 90s culture" on the other. Even though I was born in 1990, I've always felt like I was born in the 80s, since I was born so early that I can actually remember the 90s quite well. I relate to people born in the 80s moreso generationally than I do to people born well into the 90s. People born from 82-91 are "90s kids" primarily while people born from 92 onwards would have nostalgia for the early 00s that I do not.
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    • stake n sheak
      • 1 year 7 months ago
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      		 Time is a stream, not a series of little boxes. You cannot categorize cultural movements as things that begin and end on a specific day, except in the presence of huge events like the burial of Pompeii. Rolling over the clock is not such an event. One day will almost always be very similar to the previous day. We can say that a-ha is strictly a 80s band, but we cannot say that the 80s is a block-like mass that contains the entirety of this thing and that and was not touched by and did not touch anything else. Cultural movements evolve. And while one aspect (such as music) might be said to move on by a certain date, another aspect (for instance, fashion) might not move at the same time. If trying to delineate decades in the general sense, all that really matters is things that are squarely in one, like beatboxing. With the rise of popular culture it is impossible to avoid some trends or fads straddling multiple decades even in their initial period of popularity.

      That said, the 1980s, by definition, absolutely did end on December 31 1989.

      In conclusion, Ozzy rules.
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      • donnie darko
        • 1 year 7 months ago
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        stake n sheak wrote:

        That said, the 1980s, by definition, absolutely did end on December 31 1989.

        Literally speaking, yes. But to me, the 80s is more than just a span of 10 years on the calendar, it's an entire zeitgeist, an entire way of doing things. The 2000s, on the other hand, just seem like a span on a calendar to me since they don't really have an identity distinct from this decade or from the last couple years of the 90s.

        There's a common "80s-ness" that 1981 and 1989 share, moreso than either year does with say 1978 or 1993. It's an intangible essence but I don't think it's strictly limited to exactly 1980-89.

        I mean, 1960 is technically part of the "60s" but it's definitely not the hippie and woodstock 60s that the word "sixties" conjures. 1960-62 is much closer to what people think of when they hear "fifties" than it is to the stereotypical, swinging sixties of 63-69.
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        • stake n sheak
          • 1 year 7 months ago
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          donnie darko wrote:
          I mean, 1960 is technically part of the "60s" but it's definitely not the hippie and woodstock 60s that the word "sixties" conjures.


          You are saying the same thing I am. I think there needs to be a different way of terming periods. This is the 13,205th thread on retrojunk forums claiming that decades don't end when the calendar says they do. Obviously, the multiples of ten are not doing the jobs that people want them to do. Again I think movements are more useful to talk about times. Let's use the the punk era, or the old school rap scene as examples. By their nature, they don't begin and end at the same time. You can't say the 80s completely encompasses them because they started in the 70s. Meanwhile the original run of punk lasted longer than the breakdancing and grafitti scenes that went along with that early rap. So if you try to say the 80s started in 1977 because of that, then you have to include disco into the 80s because it was also around in 1977. Is that right?

          You can say that A Thing, Whatever It Is has an "80s-ness" even if it continued until 1994, if you want to. But that doesn't pull everything else along with it.

          "1991 is part of the 1980s." "The 1980s continued until 1992." I don't think those would be valid statements to make.
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          • Kamen Rider RX
            • 1 year 7 months ago
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            		 I was born in 1991, to me the 90's ended after 2001 since it seems like things after 2001 changed. Most popular 90's music like pop music were dieing out and replace by music like nu metal and Hip hop. Most Nick shows were coming to a end and Pokemon's main popularity was replace by Yu-Gi-Oh. I also think 9/11 truly killed it off as it dampened the atmosphere of everything.

            As for the 80's, I notice a lot of people say that the 80's died out by 1991 since music like Nirvana's "Nevermind" was released and changed everything. Most popular 80's shows at the time like Cosby and Cheers was ending at the time.
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            • Ghost of Vapor
              • 1 year 7 months ago
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              		 The 80's and their cultural influences ended whenever OrangeJuice90s say they ended.

              That being said, I agree with the sentiments expressed here. I would add that a great deal of what made the 80's special for me continued on until my graduation from high school in '92.
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              • bassman21
                • 1 year 7 months ago
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                		 We've covered this topic several times on here over the years. A lot of what defines a decade is perception and personal experience. Most associate a decade with music and television, but really its much more.

                Things in the 80s changed very rapidly. The early 80s was a lot like the 70s, but the late 80s was much different and more like the 90s. Today if you wear clothing from 2003 no one will think much of it, but if you wore clothing from 1975 in 1985 you would most definitely be made fun of.

                Children's toys, animation, music, television, movies, clothing, technology and more all progressed very rapidly in the 80s. Something just a year old was often times seen as being old and outdated. I can watch a movie from the 80s and guess the date 9 times out of 10, even if I never saw it. The clothing, music and even the color tone of the film gives it away. Because of this no one thing defined the 80s, but a very long list, possibly the largest of any decade define them.

                1982 was a major transition period for the 80s and by 1983 things were very well defined. Several movies, the introduction of several TV shows and icons like Michael Jackson shaped the era. This had died out by the late 80s. So for me the 80s as we know them were from 1983 to around 1990. Here is how I define each decade. Keep in mind that tragic event had an effect of when a decade ended.

                50s 1952 to 1962
                60s 1963 to 1972
                70s 1973 to 1982
                80s 1983 to 1990
                90s 1991 to 2000
                00s 2001 to 2008
                10s 2009 to present
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                • donnie darko
                  • 1 year 7 months ago
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                  stake n sheak wrote:
                  donnie darko wrote:
                  I mean, 1960 is technically part of the "60s" but it's definitely not the hippie and woodstock 60s that the word "sixties" conjures.


                  You are saying the same thing I am. I think there needs to be a different way of terming periods. This is the 13,205th thread on retrojunk forums claiming that decades don't end when the calendar says they do. Obviously, the multiples of ten are not doing the jobs that people want them to do. Again I think movements are more useful to talk about times. Let's use the the punk era, or the old school rap scene as examples. By their nature, they don't begin and end at the same time. You can't say the 80s completely encompasses them because they started in the 70s. Meanwhile the original run of punk lasted longer than the breakdancing and grafitti scenes that went along with that early rap. So if you try to say the 80s started in 1977 because of that, then you have to include disco into the 80s because it was also around in 1977. Is that right?

                  You can say that A Thing, Whatever It Is has an "80s-ness" even if it continued until 1994, if you want to. But that doesn't pull everything else along with it.

                  "1991 is part of the 1980s." "The 1980s continued until 1992." I don't think those would be valid statements to make.


                  I think you could say there are two different "60s" or two different "80s" - one strictly of the calendar, another somewhat more liberally marking an era with a lot of distinct, often intangible things holding it together. Yes things change gradually, but history tends to follow a punctuated equilibrium.

                  Maybe we could linguistically make the distinction this way: The "Nineteen sixties" refers to 1 January 1960 to 31 December 1969, while the "Swinging Sixties" refers to a more ambiguous time beginning roughly in 1963 and ending roughly in 1970, or perhaps even as late as 1973 in some contexts.

                  For example the slow crumbling and rapid fall of the Eastern Bloc, and along with it the world order dating back to the '40s, is politically speaking what defined the 80s. Politically speaking, the political era the entire 1980s falls into ended around the autumn of 1990, with the preparation for Desert Storm, Thatcher's resignation (RIP), and Bush Sr.'s renege on "read my lips". Though the political 90s wouldn't really begin until Clinton took office.

                  I think it's no coincidence that 80s culture crumbled around the same time. The 90s is defined by that soul-searching after the autumn of nations, the 80s is defined by the Cold War, or in the case of 1989-91, the end of it. The Cold War IMO ended with the August Coup of 1991 - that was really that the last straw, the nail on the coffin that sealed the USSR's demise.

                  Without the August Coup, believe it or not I think there would still be a USSR today, though the Baltics and perhaps a couple other member states probably would have exited. The Coup is what caused Ukraine to declare their independence. They definitely could have continued to liberalize their economy though, and would continue to have multi-party elections. They would probably be like a less authoritarian version of the PRC, except more socialistic, just not truly communist.
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                  • mlauzon
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                    		 IMHO, the '80s -- at least the styles, and music -- ended around '91/'92.
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                    • Robert Long
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                      mlauzon wrote:
                      IMHO, the '80s -- at least the styles, and music -- ended around '91/'92.

                      I agree. I was in college around that time when I realized all music seemed to be "alternative", gangsta rap or grunge.
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                      • donnie darko
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                        		 Would you consider house music and new jack swing more of an 80s thing or a 90s thing? Stuff like Black Box, Technotronic, Neneh Cherry, Paula Abdul, Dee-lite, Milli Vanilli, C+C Music Factory, etc. That kind of music was cool for a few years there from 1989 to '93 but was pretty outdated after that.
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                        • stake n sheak
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                          • Robert Long
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                            		 I would tend to say 90's as well.

                            Incidently, Shouldn't a guy named Donny Darko really hate 1989? That's when you were smooshed by a jet engine, after all. :D
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                            • Laddersnake
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                              		 So many errors in the original post.

                              1. You could argue that 1998 and 1999 were almost identical too.
                              2. There were "80s artists" in the charts in 2005 too. Madonna anyone?
                              3. Millenial era would be more like 1998-2002. 1993-1997 would be more core 90s and I highly doubt people were still having new millenium parties in 2009. You'd also be putting 1995 (a pre-DVD era) in the same boat as 2009 (a year when YouTube was well-established).
                              4. You pretty much can draw a line in the sand. 1989 will have similarities and differences to 1988 just like it will have similarities and differences to 1990. But at least 1989 is numerically the 80s, unlike 1990.
                              5. At least those born in the first half of 1992 (January, February, March, April, May or June) would be 90s kids. Since when did 1999 not become the 90s. Millenium culture may have started in 1998 (not 1997 like the propaganda sometimes goes) but they were five in 1997, which is still a good age to soak up some life.
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                              • Laddersnake
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                                Laddersnake wrote:
                                So many errors in the original post.

                                1. You could argue that 1998 and 1999 were almost identical too.
                                2. There were "80s artists" in the charts in 2005 too. Madonna anyone?
                                3. Millenial era would be more like 1998-2002. 1993-1997 would be more core 90s and I highly doubt people were still having new millenium parties in 2009. You'd also be putting 1995 (a pre-DVD era) in the same boat as 2009 (a year when YouTube was well-established).
                                4. You pretty much can draw a line in the sand. 1989 will have similarities and differences to 1988 just like it will have similarities and differences to 1990. But at least 1989 is numerically the 80s, unlike 1990.
                                5. At least those born in the first half of 1992 (January, February, March, April, May or June) would be 90s kids. Since when did 1999 not become the 90s? Millenium culture may have started in 1998 (not 1997 like the propaganda sometimes goes) but they were five in 1997, which is still a good age to soak up some life.
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                                • stake n sheak
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                                  • System
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                                    		 The 80's ended in 1991. The Big Hair was faded out, Hair Metal faded out, and Grunge took over the charts.

                                    The 90's ended when shitty boy bands, teen pop, and nu-metal took over the music scene in the late 90's/early 2000's.
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                                    • Nickelodeoninthe90s
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                                      		 When She-Ra dolls stopped selling.
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                                      • Laddersnake
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                                        TheMusicdewd18 wrote:
                                        The 80's ended in 1991. The Big Hair was faded out, Hair Metal faded out, and Grunge took over the charts.

                                        The 90's ended when shitty boy bands, teen pop, and nu-metal took over the music scene in the late 90's/early 2000's.


                                        I think the passing of time has clouded people's memories.

                                        Literally, every year in a decade has the same digits (except the last one) and goes from the year that ends in a 0 to the year that ends in a 9.

                                        But culturally:

                                        80s: 1983-1990
                                        90s: 1991-1997
                                        00s: 1998-2007
                                        10s: 2008-now
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                                        • Guild_Navigator
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                                          		 In 1988 when Miami Vice was cancelled,boy bands started to appear and (igh) pre-washed jeans went out of style.
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