Thread: Roger Ebert Has Passed away

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    Quote by eddstarr88
    One of the most fun episodes of "Siskel & Ebert" I ever saw was a tutorial on Film Plot Types.

    I've been trying to find that clip on YouTube, but the show went something like this:

    The Idiot Plot: A plot that requires all the characters to be idiots. If they weren't, they'd immediately figure out everything and the movie would be over.

    The Buddy Cop Plot: two people, usually opposites of each other with conflicting personalities, are forced to work together.


    Those are the two I can remember. Maybe other members can find the rest of the list because according to Roger Ebert every movie ever made falls into one of these universal movie plot types.


    Is Rush Hour considered a Buddy Cop

    The main characters didn't get along at first, but they did later on in the movie.
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      The buddy movie is usually what Ebert called a "wunza movie."

      Quote by Roger
      Any film using a plot which can be summarized by saying "One's a..." For example, "One's a cop. One's an actor." Or "One's a saint. One's a sinner."
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        Quote by stake
        The buddy movie is usually what Ebert called a "wunza movie."

        Quote by Roger
        Any film using a plot which can be summarized by saying "One's a..." For example, "One's a cop. One's an actor." Or "One's a saint. One's a sinner."



        YES! A funny take on the promo line used in the 80's.

        And the "Buddy Cop" formula can be action/adventure or a comedy.
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          Quote by stake
          It's an interesting concept. Depending on who you ask, the number of plot types varies greatly. When I was in grade school, I was taught there are three:
          Man vs Man - conflict between people
          Man vs Nature - conflict between a person and the world or environment (i.e., monster movies, or climbing a mountain)
          Man vs Himself - internal conflict or struggle
          It's the unique elements that make a story interesting and new, but all stories can be reduced down to one of these simple styles.


          Other schools of thought extrapolate this basic framework and say there are seven:
          Man vs Man
          Man vs Nature
          Man vs Environment
          Man vs Machines and Technology
          Man vs The Supernatural
          Man vs Himself
          Man vs God/Religion

          I don't agree with this. All of those can be put into the three containers, although combinations are possible (and again, are what makes things interesting.) 'vs God/Religion', for instance, could be seen as 'vs Man' and/or 'vs Nature'.

          Yet more categorizations count more types of plot, with themes such as:
          Quest
          Adventure
          Pursuit
          Rescue
          Escape
          Revenge

          (and more.) This is from Ronald Tobias's 20 Master Plots. Again, while deeper studies may use this classification system to reveal intricate ideas of story construction, I see a lot of overlap between these.

          or:
          Deliverance
          Crime Pursued by Vengeance
          Vengeance taken for kindred upon kindred
          Pursuit
          Disaster
          Falling Prey to Cruelty of Misfortune
          Revolt

          (and more.) Georges Polti's The Thirty-Six Dramatic Situations.)


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            Hello friends. It's me. Thank you for all of your kind words. I'm watching movies in Heaven now.

            I'll be happy to answer any questions you might have for me.
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              Quote by Roger
              Hello friends. It's me. Thank you for all of your kind words. I'm watching movies in Heaven now.

              I'll be happy to answer any questions you might have for me.

              So disrespectful.
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                Quote by Roger
                Hello friends. It's me. Thank you for all of your kind words. I'm watching movies in Heaven now.

                I'll be happy to answer any questions you might have for me.


                Tell me your favorite non disney cartoon movies from the 90's
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                  Yeah, that's what I'm talking about retroman. On "Siskel & Ebert" there was an entire episode on movie plots and the idea was that there are no completely new film ideas anymore. Every movie falls into one of those plot categories you listed.

                  My personal favorite is what Roger Ebert called,

                  The Fish Outta Water Plot: the main character is placed in a world totally foreign to the one he or she is accustomed to.

                  A prime example is Eddie Murphy and Dan Aykroyd in "Trading Places" from 1983.
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                    Well retroman, there unfortunately weren't many that I enjoyed. But here are a few: Bebe's Kids. The Tune. The Wrong Trousers. And Beavis and Butt-Head Do America.
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                      Quote by eddstarr88
                      Yeah, that's what I'm talking about retroman. On "Siskel & Ebert" there was an entire episode on movie plots and the idea was that there are no completely new film ideas anymore. Every movie falls into one of those plot categories you listed.

                      My personal favorite is what Roger Ebert called,

                      The Fish Outta Water Plot: the main character is placed in a world totally foreign to the one he or she is accustomed to.

                      A prime example is Eddie Murphy and Dan Aykroyd in "Trading Places" from 1983.


                      Or Enchanted since i think i remembering hearing Ebert was a fan of that movie and he praised Amy Adam's performance
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                        Quote by Roger
                        Well retroman, there unfortunately weren't many that I enjoyed. But here are a few: Bebe's Kids. The Tune. The Wrong Trousers. And Beavis and Butt-Head Do America.


                        I saw your review for Thumbelina and i disagreed with both of you, it was a great movie and i became a fan of Jodi Benson because of that movie
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                          Quote by eddstarr88
                          ...there are no completely new film ideas anymore...

                          I'll always remember learning in film class, that both Star Wars and Rashomon are "westerns".
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                            Quote by Roger
                            Well retroman, there unfortunately weren't many that I enjoyed. But here are a few: Bebe's Kids. The Tune. The Wrong Trousers. And Beavis and Butt-Head Do America.


                            Meanwhile i agreed with your Little Princess review since it was one of the best movies of the 90's period
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                              Quote by stake
                              Quote by eddstarr88
                              ...there are no completely new film ideas anymore...

                              I'll always remember learning in film class, that both Star Wars and Rashomon are "westerns".


                              We all want something fresh once in a while
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                                I'll be happy to answer any questions you might have for me.

                                What was your opinion of Ralph Bakshi?
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                                  thecrow174, I have great respect for everyone here. If my presence makes you uncomfortable, I am very sorry. Perhaps this was not the right place for me to reach out to a community of film lovers in my rest.

                                  Thank you retroman. I'm glad you enjoyed A Little Princess too.

                                  stake n sheak, I found Mr. Bakshi to be quite provocative and original in his earlier years. Some of his later work, however, was surprisingly incompetent.
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                                    Quote by stake
                                    Quote by eddstarr88
                                    ...there are no completely new film ideas anymore...

                                    I'll always remember learning in film class, that both Star Wars and Rashomon are "westerns".



                                    That's cool! Steven Spielberg often compares sci-fi films as "westerns with a weapon upgrade".
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                                      Quote by Roger
                                      thecrow174, I have great respect for everyone here. If my presence makes you uncomfortable, I am very sorry. Perhaps this was not the right place for me to reach out to a community of film lovers in my rest.

                                      Thank you retroman.

                                      stake n sheak, I found Mr. Bakshi to be quite provocative and original in his earlier years. Some of his later work, however, was surprisingly incompetent.


                                      Farewell mr Ebert you were an inspiration for all of us
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                                        Quote by Roger
                                        thecrow174, I have great respect for everyone here. If my presence makes you uncomfortable, I am very sorry. Perhaps this was not the right place for me to reach out to a community of film lovers in my rest.

                                        Thank you retroman.

                                        stake n sheak, I found Mr. Bakshi to be quite provocative and original in his earlier years. Some of his later work, however, was surprisingly incompetent.


                                        By the way let's talk some more next time
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                                          Quote by eddstarr88
                                          Quote by stake
                                          Quote by eddstarr88
                                          ...there are no completely new film ideas anymore...

                                          I'll always remember learning in film class, that both Star Wars and Rashomon are "westerns".



                                          That's cool! Steven Spielberg often compares sci-fi films as "westerns with a weapon upgrade".


                                          I don't do Westerns
                                          Hoping to explore pop culture from the 20th Century with you
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