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    I've developed an interest in this. Space and time are one in the same. If we travel faster than the speed of light or travel through a worm hole we could possibly travel back in time. If we traveled back in time, would we alter this universe or would we create a new one? Does every situation have many possibilities that exist in another dimension?

    There is something know as the string theory. From How Stuff Works......

    "String theory was originated by the Japanese-American physicist Michio Kaku. His theory says that the essential building blocks of all matter as well as all of the physical forces in the universe -- like gravity -- exist on a subquantum level. These building blocks resemble tiny rubber bands -- or strings -- that make up quarks (quantum particles), and in turn electrons, and atoms, and cells and so on. Exactly what kind of matter is created by the strings and how that matter behaves depends on the vibration of these strings. It is in this manner that our entire universe is composed. And according to string theory, this composition takes place across 11 separate dimensions.

    Like the Many-Worlds theory, string theory demonstrates that parallel universes exist. According to the theory, our own universe is like a bubble that exists alongside similar parallel universes. Unlike the Many-Worlds theory, string theory supposes that these universes can come into contact with one another. String theory says that gravity can flow between these parallel universes. When these universes interact, a Big Bang like the one that created our universe occurs."

    Here are two great documentaries on this?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnLC4f2nSLc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clFxzfutKR0

    A lot of it seems too crazy to be real, but there is strong evident to back up many of these claims. What do you think?
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        These are fascinating theories indeed. I believe strongly in the possibilities. Physicists don't fuck around, if this was just some stupid, impossible thing then it wouldn't stick around. Quantum physics is no joke.

        I have a hard time imagining what it would be like to experience these phenomena (time travel, visit other worlds, etc) but I bet it would be pretty wild.
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          Ah, welcome to the club my friend!

          I've always sided with Carl Sagan - all of our knowledge and theories of space/time hold up well except under two conditions:

          A) you get really small, or

          B) you move really fast.

          Nothing we have experienced or can experience is applicable to the realm of the sub-atomic or what happens as you approach the speed of light.

          New theories, like string theory, are attempts to account for the unbelievable data that experiments in particle research are revealing.
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            What I thought was interesting was listening to Coast to Coast AM a few years back and the host, dont recall which one, refused to discuss the issue pointing out that everyone who was into it seemed to disappear or die under unusual circumstances.

            My thoughts? Either it would be banned outright and kept a secret like in the film Timecop or if you believe in the notion of a God who controls the universe, he would stop it from being developed. After all, I don't think anyone could resist changing the past "for the greater good". Think how many thousands of people would have their lives changed if not written out of existence with world events such as disasters and major wars undone?
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              I wasn't aware there was a Coast to Coast host other than Art Bell. But then, I haven't listened much. Mainly, I know about the Shadow People, and that's only because I have a friend who interacts with them in dreams.

              Anyway, it's interesting to think about undoing things and how many lives 'written out of existence.' On the other hand, how many lives would be saved in exchange? Hitler was responsible for ending the lives of over six MILLION people. If you want to save lives period, 6,000,000 to 1 is a pretty damn good ratio. On the third hand, do we need to save lives? We're overpopulated as it is, how much more would the population be if 6mil were saved 60 years ago? Would things be even more screwed? Would the drastically higher population have driven us to solutions sooner? Would another dictator rise instead?


              Then there is another question of how else the world could be different. If someone could stop MLK, JFK, RFK, Malcolm X, etc., from assassination, how could that be a bad thing? I'm not saying it couldn't, but I have a hard time picturing that. Really interesting questions. I wouldn't mind having such power, plus save files of the world to restore or delete if I make a mistake. What if the whole world was a video game for you or me or anybody?
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                  I don't believe that our three dimensional membrane is the only one in the whole galaxy. Sorry but I think is plain dumb to believe otherwise just because it can't be experienced by our senses. We are not tech advanced enough to perceive and give solid evidence of other dimensions so both possibilities should be considered.

                  Until Einstein's fable 'theory of everything' (unification of gravity and quantum theory) is cracked many things on this topic will pass over our heads even if they are actually in front of us. Time travel is consistent with the known laws of physics and has been tested in labs for traveling forward in time. Going backwards is more challenging and probably impossible. Using wormhole as a device for time travel seems possible but one problem is how to deal with radiation which will kill you in a jiffy. Again, until the theory of everything unites all four forces of the universe all this will make us kick our own ass.
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                    The problem with time travel is even a small change can cause a domino effect.

                    Imagine how different the world would be if any one of us never never existed. If I didn't buy the house I live in today someone else would have bought it. This means the house they bought would have be bought by someone else and so on. The same with the cars I've owned. If I didn't have the job I have someone else would have it meaning someone else would their job and so on.

                    All of us are probably responsible indirectly for at least one person living or dying. That guy you pissed off on the road today may have went home and took it out on his child. The child slipped, hit his head and died. The father will get sent to prison which created a who set of changed in several people's lives which you unintentionally caused. Or maybe you saved his child in some way.

                    Just think about it. We have all inadvertently changed the world in many ways. Would 9/11 still happen if any of us were never born? Could the many butterfly effects we've created by being alive allowed 9/11 to happen? I know it sounds crazy, but really think about it. We are all separated supposedly by six degrees. The many butterfly effects we create probably extend world wide.

                    I'll post more later, but wanted to touch on time travel and how dangerous it would be. Of course its possible it might just create a new universe as time according to Isaac Newton is absolute. This means time can't be changed and the future is already written.
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                      Those things are called time paradoxes like in Back to the Future. But since no one has ever travelled in time.."that we know about", there's no way to tell for sure if the effect would be that a parallel world would split off from the point of the change or if that other time would just be erased.
                      In all the movies they say not to speak to anyone or do anything to change the outcome of history but by you simply just being there physically can cause a ripple effect. The only way really would be to observe history in the making such as being like a ghost or virtual reality.. where you can watch what's happening but you are invisible and not able to manipulate anything around you.
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                        I wasn't aware there was a Coast to Coast host other than Art Bell. But then, I haven't listened much. Mainly, I know about the Shadow People, and that's only because I have a friend who interacts with them in dreams.

                        Anyway, it's interesting to think about undoing things and how many lives 'written out of existence.' On the other hand, how many lives would be saved in exchange? Hitler was responsible for ending the lives of over six MILLION people. If you want to save lives period, 6,000,000 to 1 is a pretty damn good ratio. On the third hand, do we need to save lives? We're overpopulated as it is, how much more would the population be if 6mil were saved 60 years ago? Would things be even more screwed? Would the drastically higher population have driven us to solutions sooner? Would another dictator rise instead?


                        Then there is another question of how else the world could be different. If someone could stop MLK, JFK, RFK, Malcolm X, etc., from assassination, how could that be a bad thing? I'm not saying it couldn't, but I have a hard time picturing that. Really interesting questions. I wouldn't mind having such power, plus save files of the world to restore or delete if I make a mistake. What if the whole world was a video game for you or me or anybody?


                        I think others have answered better then I, but yes, "good" changes would still be drastic changes. Plenty of people and changes to the world map that just weren't meant to be. Joseph Stalin would have certainly had twice the territory as well. The other leaders I think, became even more iconic after their deaths.
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                            The issue is there is just too much we don't know about time travel. As shown in the 2002 film The Time machine the inevitable will happen is one of many effects of trying to change time. In the movie he went back in time to save his girlfriends life and each time she just died a different way. The grandfather paradox is similar. If you went back in time to kill your grandfather no matter what you did you couldn't kill him. Because if you killed him you wouldn't exist to kill him. The gun would jam, someone would stop you and so on. There is one theory that such a paradox would destroy the universe.

                            Looking into the future can be equally dangerous. If we look into the future wouldn't the future we see include us seeing into the future? That alone would create a paradox.

                            Sniffles learned the hard way why you don't try to change the past. :)
                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmWdwK7uEqE
                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCkTK2Z3LBM

                            Unless they're being very careful there is no indication that anyone in the future has traveled back in time. Now if the theory of parallel universes is true we could possibly go back in time and create our own altered universe. I could live with that. We just don't know. I would just like to live in the past for a few days.
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                              The problem I had with the 2002 The Time Machine was that everything was being built around the "bubble" of the machine. Was the machine moving so fast that it was isolated from time, or did it remain there and people just ignore it... ? Regardless, the time machine never left that spot. They made it seem like the Earth was the center of the universe -- they didn't account for the Earth's position around the sun. Time is an Earth-centric measure, not a dimension or a destination. The universe doesn't have a definite "March 29th, 1990 3:30:01pm on Earth" that someone can just visit. I'm more inclined to follow Presentism than to say that one person can rewind every molecule in the universe and undo all natural forces and chemical change by themselves. Some chemical processes cannot be undone in the present, such as digesting food or burning fuel. It's a very egotistical idea.
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                                The problem I had with the 2002 The Time Machine was that everything was being built around the "bubble" of the machine. Was the machine moving so fast that it was isolated from time, or did it remain there and people just ignore it... ? Regardless, the time machine never left that spot.

                                The 1960 movie was the same.
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                                    Who would've known that Newton's Laws were going to have a good hump after the creation of quantum theory/general relativity. Those laws were untouchable.
                                    Prominent physicists such as Lord Kelvin declared that 'heavier than air' objects like the airplane were impossible. X rays were a hoax and that radio has no future. Lord Rutherford (who discover the nucleus of atoms) dismissed the creation of atomic bomb comparing it to 'moonshine'... even Einstein wrote a paper in 1939 that 'proved' that black holes could never form.

                                    As you may know all this is common playground right now. Is a matter of time though probably we will not be here to travel in time and spank Marylin Monroe's ass or have a smell-o-television.
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                                      People have long accepted status quo and resisted questioning conventional wisdom Dyzfunk7ional. The problem is some people take changing things too far and assume everything old is wrong.

                                      Anyone ever see the 1990 made for TV movie Running Against Time with Robert Hayes? Despite its many plot holes it wasn't a bad movie. I watched it on youtube again some time back, but originally saw it in prime time back in 1990.

                                      In this movie he discovers that a professor at the college he teaches at is testing a time machine. He befriends him and goes back in time to try and stop the assassination of JFK. In doing this he hopes it would prevent the Vietnam war where his brother was killed from happening. He ends up getting accused of being the killer and his girlfriend and later the professor ends up having to go back to undo things. His child self becomes very ill as a result of him existing in the same time. This ends up changing the course of time and his brother ends up not going to war.

                                      This leads me to the question if the same matter from two time periods can exist together? Our cells divide and the old ones eventually die so I guess technically we are not the same matter as we were say 20 years ago. I'm sure some traces may remain. Would one or both of us die, would we merge or could we co exist if we went back say last week?
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                                        Thats yet another question that baffles scientist right now. At a cellular/molecular level is practically impossible to know what will happen to our bodies during a long period of time traveling. In theory it might work but what nature dictates is another story.

                                        Still time travel conforms to the known laws of physics. Stephen Hawkins tried to dismiss it in his "chronology protection conjecture" to no avail. He was unnable to prove his principle.
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                                          Dyzfunk7ional wrote:
                                          Thats yet another question that baffles scientist right now. At a cellular/molecular level is practically impossible to know what will happen to our bodies during a long period of time traveling. In theory it might work but what nature dictates is another story.

                                          Still time travel conforms to the known laws of physics. Stephen Hawkins tried to dismiss it in his "chronology protection conjecture" to no avail. He was unable to prove his principle.


                                          Like most things the test would start with none living objects, then animals and then humans.

                                          Traveling to the future will likely happen before travel to the past though. Time essentially stops with anything that is traveling the speed of light while times will go on as normal here on earth. So what seems like a short flight on a ship going the speed of light could be several days, weeks, months or even years here on earth. Without being able to relay back the future (which probably can't be changed) there would be no benefit other than to understand science better.

                                          To go back in time you would have to travel faster than the speed of light and its unknown if this is even possible. A wormhole is probably our best chance, but like you said the radiation would be an issue. Plus there is no telling where the wormhole would take us and again nothing can probably (or should) be changed.
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