• 2 years 1 month ago
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    Romnesia, romnesia, are you kidding me?

    While Mitt Romney presents himself well in debates, the President's campaign gurus come up with name calling, this is both sad and uncalled for.
    The Eldorado is dead. Long live the Eldorado.
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      • 2 years 1 month ago
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      Latest polls show Romney up despite most saying Obama won the last debate. According to Rasmussen, Romney and Obama are only 2 points apart in Electoral points.

      http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/archive/2012_electoral_college_scoreboard

      Gallup also has Romney up.
      http://www.gallup.com/poll/election.aspx
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        • 2 years 1 month ago
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        And to think that just two weeks ago the electoral map was tilted in favor of President Obama by a wide margin.

        The President needs to show competence and clarity when responding to Romney, not grade school name calling. I can't imagine swing voters liking the way the President is campaigning now.
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          • 2 years 1 month ago
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          Yea it's weak compared to the powerhouse it was in 08.
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            • 2 years 30 days ago
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            I definitely understand where conservatives come from on the issue of welfare. Every person who has lived in poverty or worked in poor communities have their stories about the people, myself included. And I have been on both sides. And it can be frustrating to be around these people, especially when you are doing everything right. Completely. The problem is not that these people have no interest in changing, though there are some, it is that they are completely ignorant of how to do so. They think they have a lot to offer the world, when they have so little in the grand scheme. Eliminating disabilities and mental health issues, a lot of them have the ability, just not the right kind of knowledge or attitudes. I know this is possible. I teach their kids. It is my job to reach these kinds of people.

            Poverty is so ingrained into the culture, it is absolutely toxic. One of the worst experiences I ever had was working at a fast food restaurant. I worked alongside my neighbors from the projects, and their attitudes and abilities were disgusting. They spent more effort on their smiles for “whitey” than they did on learning how to make their tasks more efficient, so they wouldn’t have to fake being in a good mood. Good skills to have, but misses the point entirely. After a long day of not working smartly, they would go home, massage their sore, smiley cheeks, and drink/party their problems away because they have no idea how else to live life. They watched their single parents do the same and that’s good enough for them.

            Education and social programs are a key factor to combating this kind of poverty. I don’t mean things like job training- I mean real classes where they can learn, not just how to balance their checkbooks, but to use their money to their advantage like business men do. Why should that information cost you so much money? It should be public knowledge. An even playing field. They can learn to pay down their debts and build up a nest egg through savings and investments. Learn how to PROPERLY search for work and conduct interviews- not fumbling around and making fools of themselves like I have seen some of them do, and then have them throw a tantrum because they can’t get or keep any jobs, and subsequently stop trying.

            Most importantly, they need to be exposed to networking events where they can meet managers and owners of local businesses that are expanding and looking to hire people they can invest in. Not fly by night companies that fire you for sneezing at the wrong time and play the paycheck game to withhold benefits from you.

            Neither unemployment, nor welfare… Not even college prepares you for these types of scenarios. I wish I could say that all life takes is hard work and dedication, but that has not gotten me or most of my friends anywhere in life. That is my biggest beef with the Republican party- they are still living in 1960s America when every man, regardless of background, was making equal salary and jobs were plentiful and costs were low. Times change, the government needs to change with it. And it needs to make sure that these people do not slip between the cracks of society. And if, at the end of the day, they are content with their lives, then just let them live that way. I do not believe in leaving people and their children out in the cold simply because they are stubborn assholes. Especially when there are good people who need a break, too. The health and welfare of every citizen is in our best interests as a nation and as a race. We are only as good as the least among us. Give them menial jobs and basic needs, and they can be happy with that. No complaints.

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              • 2 years 30 days ago
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              And my problem with the Democrats is that they address the problems, but go about it the wrong way. If I ever ran for office I would focus on some of these simple things- bringing government systems up to date and hiring more people to make sure things are running efficiently, at least initially, then we can maybe talk about cutbacks. Some of my friends oversee systems for major banks and the horror stories they tell me about outdated software and the implications that failures have on the financial welfare of the country. It’s scary. And I do not want the public sector to go the same way. Get those crabby old ladies out of their jobs and bring in new people who know how to run public offices well. I would also invest government money in social programs that actually help people get ahead in life vs. the current programs that only help them maintain the status quo. Creativity in this country has all but died. The students in my upper grade classes have such low goals in life- all they want is to get a decent job in some cubicle or hospital. None of them aspire to invent new technologies or start their own business. No more astronaut dreams. The most they hope for is a career in Hollywood or the NBA. That needs to change, or we are in danger of losing some of the best minds.

              I would definitely reinstate and re-do some lost job placement programs. They wouldn’t just consider experience and background, people would be taking aptitude tests to determine the best job for their temperament and natural abilities. Things that current society doesn’t offer. People only follow the money, they don’t put enough into finding jobs that best suit them anymore. The best waiters can make great money and I know a lot of them that love what they do, even on the toughest days. If we spent more effort on pursuing actual happiness, the world would be a better place.
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                • 2 years 30 days ago
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                Wow, the edit function totally screwed up my posts, so I had to repost them. But hopefully my rant on that issue is over. Don't get me started on overseas jobs. Or polling.

                Also, I agree Obama's campaign has lost its spark. I don't know what happened. Is he just that busy/tired? Did he get a new campaign staff? Did they advise him to lay low and coast through re-election? I look forward to him taking off the reigns if he does. No more 4 year campaigning- just getting shit done.

                Don't get me started on campaigns and 24/7 media!
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                  • 2 years 30 days ago
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                  Anyone hear about the CEO who sent an email out to his over 7000 employees threatening layoffs if Romney does not win the election, absolutely dispicable this guy should be thrown in jail. Makes me sick to my stomach knowing idiots like this are in charge of the livelihood of so many people. Heres the link to the story.

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                    • 2 years 29 days ago
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                    The Ronin Identity wrote:
                    Anyone hear about the CEO who sent an email out to his over 7000 employees threatening layoffs if Romney does not win the election, absolutely dispicable this guy should be thrown in jail. Makes me sick to my stomach knowing idiots like this are in charge of the livelihood of so many people. Heres the link to the story.

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                    Yeah, I wish I could say this is uncommon, but it is so hard to find good leadership in business. Good leadership in general. This country is so obsessed with producing leaders that they ignore all the idiots who need to be held back from their own ambitions. Who only luck into their success. But even some unions are putting political pressure on its members, who are forced to join.
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                      • 2 years 29 days ago
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                      I'm voting for Obama. I have my reasons.
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                        • 2 years 29 days ago
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                        I think ultimately we need to ask ourselves the following question. Will we be any worst off with Romney than Obama? The short answer for me is no. Romney is a moderate. If you really look at them they are more alike than they are different. They have pretty much the same views on foreign policy. Where they differ is government spending and the taxing of the rich. Also Romney wants to cut Obamacare.

                        The economy is slow to recover and has been Obama's weak point. Our debt has grown to over 16 trillion. Romney has a plan that may or may not work. Worst case scenario with Romney is things will be the same. Best case is things will improve. I can not find one economist that thinks that Romney's plan will make things worst. So if you're not happy with the economy what do you have to lose in giving Romney a shot?
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                          • 2 years 29 days ago
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                          bassman21 wrote:
                          I can not find one economist that thinks that Romney's plan will make things worst.


                          Then I can't imagine you're looking very hard for one
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                            • 2 years 29 days ago
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                            I'll chime in, cautiously. :lol: I'll be voting for Romney. I will be up front and admit I am one of the so-called "bitter clingers", shaped by my religion, family, and desire to uphold the constitution and it's original intent as revealed to a certain extent in the Federalist Papers.

                            I am also a father of three and a small businessman (soon to be small business owner). So, for me there really is no other viable choice but Romney. I appreciate his business acumen and success, and feel that this is exactly the type of experience our economy needs right now.

                            Being in an oil related industry (propane), my business is greatly affected by overregulation, government inefficiencies and inept bureaucracies, over-penalization in the form of fees and licenses, extreme taxation, and a general disdain for our existence coming from this administration. Thankfully, our Governor (Mr. Kasich) is doing what he can to relieve some of the burdens placed on us, our employees, and our customers. Keep in mind, any financial burdens placed on us by our government are passed on to our customers.

                            There is alot of talk regarding who is actually fighting for the "middle class". The fact of the matter is that a healthy economy resulting from near full employment and low tax rates FOR ALL is what we need to firm them up. But this is never going to happen while we continue to drown ourselves in debt and yearly deficits.

                            As has been stated, simply taxing the "rich" more is not a solution. What we need is REAL cutting and gutting of bureaucracies, agencies, and safety nets. Without this, nothing is going to change.

                            With regard to "safety nets", big problems exist within them that result in the waste of billions of our dollars. Even a business as small as ours, in a community as small as ours, is affected by this. For example, State and Federal dollars are doled out annually to low income individuals to assist with heating expenses. But at least one of these "benefits" is so inefficient and unmanaged that many can simply request these benefits back in the form of a check to spend on beer and cigarettes. The reason? "It's their money." It's NOT their money. It's OUR money.

                            Anyway, these are the reasons I'll be casting my vote for Romney.
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                              • 2 years 28 days ago
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                              Everyone is so quick to point out the growing defecit but isn't that a result of the 2 wars that were started before Obama even had a whiff of the oval office, if anything George Bush and Dick Cheney are responsible for the debt being where it is not Obama. Why is it Republicans are so against the wealthiest of americans paying a little more in taxes to help there nation and fellow countrymen? They are only able to have as much as they have because of the economic oppurtunities they were provided in America yet instead of being thankful and feeling blessed they want to horde even more money while the burden falls to those who make considerably less. Yeah lets cut social programs and foreign aid because god forbid we don't want Mitt or any of his rich buddies to have to pay maore than 13 percent in tax i mean the guy only made 23 million last year how's he gonna get by if he has to pay a little more in taxes to the country he loves so much. Gimme a break.
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                                The Ronin Identity wrote:
                                Everyone is so quick to point out the growing defecit but isn't that a result of the 2 wars that were started before Obama even had a whiff of the oval office, if anything George Bush and Dick Cheney are responsible for the debt being where it is not Obama. Why is it Republicans are so against the wealthiest of americans paying a little more in taxes to help there nation and fellow countrymen? They are only able to have as much as they have because of the economic oppurtunities they were provided in America yet instead of being thankful and feeling blessed they want to horde even more money while the burden falls to those who make considerably less. Yeah lets cut social programs and foreign aid because god forbid we don't want Mitt or any of his rich buddies to have to pay maore than 13 percent in tax i mean the guy only made 23 million last year how's he gonna get by if he has to pay a little more in taxes to the country he loves so much. Gimme a break.


                                Your synopsis is typical talking points from the left, but is flawed on so many levels.

                                The total cost of all of the wars since 2001 is around 1.3 trillion. With this we got Saddam and Bin Laden. The current Debt is 16.2 trillion. While I agree that we have spent too much of these wars, they still make up less than 7% of our total debt.

                                Assuming taxing the rich does not hurt the middle class with job cuts and higher prices, it alone will still not fix the debt. Remember we have a debt increase of about $3.88 billion per day! With this spending the wealthy "paying a little more in taxes to the country" alone will not put a dent in it. The only way we can solve the debt crisis is to have massive cuts across the board. Sadly even Romney will not cut enough. However at least Romney has a plan to at least slow its growth. With Obama even if he taxed the rich as he has proposed, his administration will just spend even more with more government programs. We need a president that will cut spending.
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                                  • 2 years 28 days ago
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                                  Don't get me wrong I do think some cuts are a necessity but I also think the wealthiest Americans could probably handle a modest tax increase without feeling the need to fire their employees or not send food to starving nations. It's massively greedy for Romney to want to cut foreign aid rather than pay a bit more in taxes, he'd rather take the food out of a starving persons mouth instead of purchasing 1 less rolls royce per year. I don't know how this does not infuriate everyone, including the right.
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                                    • 2 years 28 days ago
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                                    I don't want anybody to raise taxes. Just collect the ones we already have. Capital gains deductions? Not if you make six figures plus. Federal income tax? Sorry Bank of America, General Motors, General Electric, AIG and friends...you might have to start paying some of that again. If the govt would stop giving so much money away to people and corps who don't need it, nobody would have to worry about spending. Basically I'm saying Romney is right about closing loopholes in theory (I don't believe he actually would) and never mind the cuts. Let's take this shit one step at a time and see what really happens. Cause his magic 12 million jobs absolutely will not.

                                    As for the amount of the debt, do republicans really, honestly, need to be reminded that the freaking national debt clock reached all nines in 2008? Rising debt is not this new thing around here that Obama introduced. Anybody who grew up poor should understand that once you're in a financial hole it takes a lot more money to get out.
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                                      • 2 years 25 days ago
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                                      I went to early vote today and the line was wrapped around the building. I'm going back Monday early afternoon.
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                                        With the potential super storm hitting the east coast, it might hurt voter turnout and throw off election results!
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                                          • 2 years 25 days ago
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                                          I think some people mistake a disagreement with current fiscal policy as an endorsement of prior fiscal policy. This is not always the case. I was not pleased with the Bush administrations spending either. Even so, Obama has managed to make Bush look like an amateur when it comes to creating debt.
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