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    With the recent debates, and election day drawing closer it begs the question, who's getting your vote?
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      Obama, because I'm not rich or a moron.
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        I am voting [u]against[/u] Romney and Ryan. I think you know what I mean.
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          Yeah, yeah . . . this black guy's voting for Obama again but I agree with Tavis Smiley, the president has to start fighting for his principles because his opposition always fights to win.
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            Verily, well said edd.
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              Mezase Master wrote:
              Verily, well said edd.



              Thanks MM, almost everyone I know is stunned at how easily Obama caved to the GOP majority led Congress. To loose a fight is better than giving up at the start.
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                eddstarr88 wrote:
                Yeah, yeah . . . this black guy's voting for Obama again but I agree with Tavis Smiley, the president has to start fighting for his principles because his opposition always fights to win.


                A lot of "black guys" have died on his watch but they have had Arab names, so the infoentertainment media here barely mentions this fact, as if they weren't really people. Like, how racist America views blacks at home.

                What exactly are Obama's principles? Or, what principles do you think he has that you want him to fight for? He had four years to fight, why didn't he go for it then?
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                  One of his principles was to reverse the rise of student loan debt by increasing the number and limits of various grants while revising the Federal Student Loan program. The administration made a half-hearted pitch to congress then did nothing as the House relaxed rules allowing private lenders more room to compete with government backed loans.

                  Private lenders can market directly to students now while bypassing college student financial aid offices using lowered underwriting standards that look like "subprime loans" from the housing foreclosure disaster.

                  Defaults on private student loans are now over $8 billion. How convenient that student loans are exempt under bankruptcy laws. The Dems have no stomach to take on any revisions to student loan laws, even to aid returning veterans!
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                      I would like to vote for Jill Stein of the Green Party. I agree with Green Party principles and I feel they are the biggest party who truly represents my views. But they need to either step it up more, or take smaller steps and go for smaller offices and get a lot of people in office around the country and let people see what they are about. You can't go from never winning an election on any level to president. I mean, has anyone on this site even heard of Jill Stein? I only know one person in real life who might have. So I will probably vote for Obama instead. On the other hand, I live in a blue state so maybe I will vote Stein with my real choice and voice.

                      How they can get more attention without looking like nutjobs is a difficult question because the media won't bother with them otherwise. On the other hand, maybe looking like nutjobs isn't such a bad thing. Tea Party is legitimized and having effects on the Republican platform.
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                        Jill Stein was interviewed on KUOW Seattle last week and I was very impressed by her answers. If only there was Green Party pressure on the Democrats.

                        Our two party system seems more like a one party system to me.
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                          The Green Party helped get Bush elected. I'm never voting third-party unless they actually have a marginal chance of winning (especially given that I'm in the swing state of Virginia), which probably won't happen in my lifetime. Rocky Anderson of the Justice Party would be my ideal choice for president, though.

                          eddstarr88 wrote:
                          Our two party system seems more like a one party system to me.
                          I don't like this attitude that "both parties are identical." Sure, neither of them are really asking for major reform, but they do represent two very different ideologies. If you think Romney and Obama are the same, you are out of your fucking mind.
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                            Obama, going to rescue the middle class. Not much was done for the middle class before the GOP 2010 takeover of the House. Not even Sen. Arlen Specter switching from Republican to the Democratic Party in 2009 helped with Obama's stimulus extension for "Main Street" after the massive stimulus for "Wall Street".

                            It's amazing how many Bush administration policies were adopted by the Obama administration, especially the conduct of the war in Afghanistan. Somehow the guy in the White House is irrelevant. There is no push back to the ever more conservative goals from the extreme right wing in congress.

                            Yes, we do have two parties, Republicans and Republican-lite.
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                              I'm voting for Romney. I don't think Obama has done as bad of a job as many are saying, but his massive spending is going to break us. Other than taxing the rich, which will not even put a dent in our debt, Obama has no real plan. The democrats voted on that $831 billion stimulus bill in in 2009 which did nothing to help the average American. At least I got a check under Bush's. The free market creates jobs not government spending. We have a record number of people on government assistance. This is not the America I want.

                              My health insurance cost have gone from $120 a month to $193 a month in the last four years. A good amount of this is the result of laws from Obamacare.

                              My house is valued $20,000 less than it was in 2008. Obama's policies have done little to help the houses market.

                              Even though Obama used to be a pot head. He has been more aggressive against medical marijuana than Bush or Clinton. I don't smoke it anymore, but I know people that do. If it helps people why not let them smoke it?

                              I'm also sick of the lies from his administration. They tried to blame that attack on that embassy on a youtube video, when it in fact had nothing to do with it.

                              Yes Romney is a flip flopper and an elitist, but I think he'll do better than Obama.
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                                YES I CAN'T STAND ALL OF THIS OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING WHILE THE DEFICIT CONTINUES TO GET REDUCED AND WE SAVE BILLIONS BY LEAVING A STUPID WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST!!! LET'S GET A FISCAL CONSERVATIVE LIKE ROMNEY IN THERE SO HE CAN CUT THE 0.018% OF THE BUDGET THAT GOES TO PBS WHILE RAISING DEFENSE SPENDING BY 9,000%!!!!!!
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                                  Mezase Master wrote:
                                  YES I CAN'T STAND ALL OF THIS OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING WHILE THE DEFICIT CONTINUES TO GET REDUCED AND WE SAVE BILLIONS BY LEAVING A STUPID WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST!!! LET'S GET A FISCAL CONSERVATIVE LIKE ROMNEY IN THERE SO HE CAN CUT THE 0.018% OF THE BUDGET THAT GOES TO PBS WHILE RAISING DEFENSE SPENDING BY 9,000%!!!!!!


                                  LMFAO Is that what they are telling you at the university? PBS is one of many programs that Romney is going to be cutting. Romney not a big war guy and I doubt he will raise defense spending. Obama has had four years to cut military spending, but hasn't. Over 2000 US troops have died in Afghanistan and nothing has changed. Bush got attacked none stop about the war, but liberals have been mostly quiet with Obama.
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                                    BTW over 500 economist support Romney's plan.

                                    http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/20/more-than-500-economists-5-nobel-laureates-back-romneys-economic-strategy/?utm_source=TPN+Auto+1&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4789

                                    The Deficit isn't going down, it's still going up. It's now at over 16 trillion. When Obama took office it was around 11 trillion. It has gone up over $5 trillion since Obama took office. He has almost outspent Bush in 4 years.

                                    http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

                                    Under Obama's plan things are not looking good.
                                    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/1601576978821580_651649.html
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                                      Hahah, "telling me at the university?" Are you joking? Or do you seriously think that there's a liberal conspiracy and all of the professors indoctrinate us to hate Republicans? I'm going to college in "Dixieland" anyway.

                                      And how is Romney "not a war guy?" Yes, he's not a guy to go to war, since he'd much rather dick around in France. That, of course, didn't stop him from protesting fucking in favor of Vietnam. He's always talking about "cracking down on China" despite it being his favorite place to send jobs, and can't talk about another country without either offending them or subtly implying that they're our enemy (or explicitly saying it in the case of Russia).

                                      But okay, let's give you the benefit of the doubt and say that he's not going to get us involved in some stupid, completely avoidable war. What I was emphasizing was how defense spending would go up drastically under his plan (if that's too difficult to read, here's a helpful graph that may give you a better idea). War or not, that's not what one would expect from a "fiscal conservative," right? Oh wait, except that Reagan and the two Bushes pulled this same kind of bullshit. What is it with Republicans and their boner for abhorrently large defense spending? And at the expense of educational children's programming and welfare programs, things that actually do help our people?

                                      And oh hey, that reminds me. You know Romney wants to repeal "Obamacare," no? Well, have you also heard this? Funny, it sounds like this fiscal conservative sure wants to do a lot of things that would make our deficit skyrocket, and at the same time deny health care to millions of Americans.

                                      Bassman, I don't know what you think you are but I'm pretty sure everybody here sees you as a very partisan Republican, since you'll borderline-fellate them when you think they do good and "grudingly" accept them, as here, when you say you think they'll at least be better than the Democrat. Just look past the politics and accept that Romney is a horrible, horrible candidate, and no matter how much you dislike Obama, Romney's a far worse alternative in every way. I hate that mentality where people think just because they despise Obama so much, anything will be better. Do some research and you will understand that Romney is not only a worse human being than Obama, but would be a worse president by far in almost every area. Want a reduced deficit? Obama's been reducing it and it continues to go down. Want cheaper health care? Once the individual mandate goes into effect all of your costs will go down. Hate the war on drugs? Well, Obama may be bad but Romney plans to vehemently crack down on drug possession just as much. Look at virtually any issue and Obama's got the advantage, if you vote for Romney you are directly voting against your own interests. Leave your world of Fox News for a second and you'll realize that.

                                      And on that note, I'm not saying you should vote for Obama and I have many reservations about him as well. There are plenty of viable third-party candidates out there, definitely. But Romney is complete fucking scum, and if you seriously think he will improve the country with all of the evidence indicating how shitty a Romney presidency would be, then you are in no position to insinuate that I've been indoctrinated. I'd think you would have learned something from Bush like the rest of us (unless you wandered into the magical world of Conservative Fantasy Land where this recession is somehow Obama's fault).
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                                        Having the backing of economists means nothing. Economists are, on average, the most conservative professionals in the country, because the closer we are to a "free market," the more their expertise will come in handy and allow them to get rich. 5,000 economists could back him up and it wouldn't mean squat.

                                        bassman21 wrote:
                                        The Deficit isn't going down, it's still going up. It's now at over 16 trillion. When Obama took office it was around 11 trillion. It has gone up over $5 trillion since Obama took office. He has almost outspent Bush in 4 years.

                                        http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
                                        Dude, learn the difference between the debt and the deficit. The debt is the amount of money the government owes, the deficit is what the government is borrowing each year. As long as we have a deficit rather than a surplus, the debt is going to go up regardless. It's the deficit that's going down, meaning that we are borrowing less and the debt is rising at a lower rate than it had been before. The debt is still increasing, nobody's arguing otherwise.
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                                          Holy shit that was a Timbox reply...well almost :lol:

                                          I'm going to try and keep this short. I don't want to hijack this thread with an endless debate.

                                          I'm not a republican. You still think I'm just some republican redneck that gets my information from Fox News. I get this from most liberal college kids so it comes as no surprise. I have more libertarian views than republican (there is a difference). I support small government. People like you think the government is the answer. If we step back, have small regulation to prevent corruption things will work out.

                                          As for Romney sending jobs to China. In many cases companies must send some jobs overseas to stay in business. To complete in the free market you must keep your prices low to be competitive. Most of the jobs that are sent pay under $10 an hour anyway. Not enough Americans will pay more just to have something made in American. Furthermore there have been studies which show that sending many of the low paying jobs overseas creates more higher paying jobs for us. Finally moving these jobs overseas give people who otherwise would be starving in the streets a job.

                                          Welfare programs hurt more than they help. They are intended for short term, but many stay on them for generations. The American Indians, rural Whites and African Americans are all good examples of how welfare hurts us. Many of them live in poor crime ridden areas and continue to be poor generation after generation. Many cities have been taken over by illegals who come here to reap our welfare programs. This is one reason why we are 16 trillion in debt. Clinton signed the republican backed Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act in 1996. People said it would put people on the streets to starve, but it had the opposite effect. People got off their lazy ass and went to work. I support programs to help the poor, but giving them free money isn't the answer. The programs that work are the ones that help them find jobs, daycare and housing. Democrats want to write them a check. Republicans and libertarian push for personal responsibility.

                                          As for defense spending we were on the verge on a nuclear holocaust at one time. Regan's policies kept us safe and ultimately lead to the collapse of the Soviet Union. I'm not going to go into any more detail because it will take too long, but despite 9/11 we have stayed pretty safe. We just don't know how things would be otherwise. With that being said we do need to cut defense spending, but not at the expense of out safety. Defense is one area the government should get involved. how we raise our kids or what we put into our bodies is not.

                                          There are a lot of lies about Romney out there. They take a small thing and blow it out of proportion to make him look bad. At the end of the day Romney is a moderate republican and is not a radical. About half of the country thinks he's a better option than Obama. If Obama had a plan that might help us I would give him four more year, but he doesn't. It's my opinion that his policies have extended the recession. At least Romney has something to offer.
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