Well I mean if you take all the wii games and put them against any other generation of nintendo games, the wii fails miserably. i don't mean legitimately make retro style games (although that would be sweet), I mean make games like they used to (good). It's kind of embarassing that the VC games (NES and SNES games) are better than all of the Wii retail games don't you think?

But seriously, think of Donkey Kong Returns for example and how much of a disappointment it was. if they would have made it the same style as the snes donkey kongs, it would have been one of the best games ever. they need to STOP having motion controlls and just have only the classic controller.

I really liked DKC returns a lot. I thought it was great, not a disappointment at all. I don't understand the problem with motion controls. In fact after playing DKCR I found myself trying to shake the remote and nunchuck to make my guy go faster in other games. It just felt natural.

Yeah, it was a great game. It's just that the first three were better in every way (graphics, gameplay, story, controls, etc.)

Nintendo is becoming a vanity company. All vanity, all the time. Me, me, me.

Anyway I think this is also relevant to the redesigned Wii. It's not what the customers want, it's what Nintendo wants. And this is why their sales have floundered ever since the N64, with the exception of a brief period of a couple of years when the Wii was new. During which time casual games and shovelware were the movers. That interest is gone now. And in that way, I do see what you darthmunk mean when you say they should make systems for their old fans and not new customers. Earlier, I thought about your statement in a different way.