• System
    • 5 years 3 months ago
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    drugamin wrote:
    Mr_Doom_Bringer wrote:
    I dont know about this thread. But i do not like Nickelodeon. But this thread is Okay.


    I do to. xD.


    Like I said, stop talking to yourself. Stick to one account.
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    • QuantumSoul
      • 5 years 2 months ago
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      		 The reason we(90s kids) despise kids TV so much today is because of how cliched' and dumbed down it is. As opposed to stuff from our generation:
      http://www.thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywiththeglasses/nostalgia-critic/221-the-top-moments-in-animaniacs

      Edited to add a point. Definitely not all of them, but some of the shows aimed at kids in the 90s had an intelligence about them that is no longer seen in any kids shows today.
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      • eastervideoguy
        • 5 years 2 months ago
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        QuantumSoul wrote:
        The reason we(90s kids) despise kids TV so much today is because of how cliched' and dumbed down it is. As opposed to stuff from our generation:
        http://www.thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywiththeglasses/nostalgia-critic/221-the-top-moments-in-animaniacs


        i laughed when dot said "i got the buns "
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        • QuantumSoul
          • 5 years 2 months ago
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          		 No opinion ProphetSword?
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          • ProphetSword1
            • 5 years 2 months ago
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            		 You think kids shows from the 90s weren't cliched? Talk about seeing things through rose-colored glasses.

            Going back, I can see that the kids shows I watched were extremely cliche, and mine are from the 70s and 80s. Ditto for the 90s. I watched them with my nieces who were born in 1989 and 1991, and again with my son who was born in 1992.

            Here's the thing: You don't recognize the cliches when you're a kid. It's all new to you. And you haven't become jaded about those kind of things. So, you remember them fondly. Doesn't make them any less horrible once you see them through adult eyes.

            As far as being "dumbed down," I think you're being a tad unfair. These shows are for children. Would it be fair to say that Sesame Street is "dumbed down" because it teaches simple things like what the letter "A" and the number "4" are?

            If you feel something is "dumbed down," that's just because you're older now.

            Tell you what, give me two specific examples of shows aimed at the same age category (one from the 90s and one modern) and prove to me that the one from the 90s is somehow less cliche than the new one.
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            • QuantumSoul
              • 5 years 2 months ago
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              		 There were SOME, I don't deny that. But what I'm saying is the 80s had more cliche TV shows for kids than the 90s did.
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              • ProphetSword1
                • 5 years 2 months ago
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                		 I'm still waiting on specific examples.
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                • surfingthechaos
                  • 5 years 2 months ago
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                  		 I actually would say that Sesame Street is dumbed down nowadays considering how much they showed during the 70s, 80s, and even the early 90s that would be deemed politically incorrect for today's audience. Just look at the dvd case for the Sesame Street Old Skool collection. There is actually a warning label that talks about how the show is no longer acceptable as a developmental tool for children. It's ridiculous. So there's one specific example for you.
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                  • blueluigi
                    • 5 years 2 months ago
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                    		 Most of the cartoons from when we were kids are just as bad as what they make today. In fact, there are some cases in which some of the new cartoons are better. The thing about nostalgia is that you guys remember all the GOOD stuff but you don't remember any of the bad stuff, and there was plenty of bad stuff back then. If you take off these rose-colored glasses, like what ProphetSword1 stated, then you'll see that a huge majority of the cartoons from back then will be embarassingly bad to watch as an adult.

                    If you think that today's cartoons are bad or "politically correct" then I DARE you guys to go back and re-watch the cartoons from the 1970s. To me, those are probably the worst cartoons to ever exist, and no I don't find them any better than today's cartoons. Most of them are nothing but a bunch of Scooby-Doo clones, and violance was completely non-existent. All of the action cartoons are completely watered down, one prime example is Superfriends. There's also Hanna-Barbara's The New Popeye Hour which is probably the worst incarnation of Popeye ever made for many reasons. One reason is that Popeye can't even punch, how lame.

                    I don't mean to rant too much about the 1970s cartoons. I know they're for kids, but I still can't believe how horrible they are in general.

                    The 1980s cartoons (which I still like, actually) are also pretty bad. Most of them are made to strictly sell toys, and the writing is pretty bad. The people who make these cartoons didn't even care if the animation is good, nor did they care if the storyline is good. All they cared about was making toys. But seriously, I think you guys should re-watched shows like Thundercats, Transformers, GI Joe, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, The Super Mario Bros Super Show, and other 80s cartoons without those rose-colored glasses and watch them through adult eyes. I FREAKING DARE YOU GUYS!!!!!

                    As for my childhood during the 1990s, that was when animation has improved in general, but there's still plenty of awful cartoons. While I still enjoy shows like Tiny Toons, Rocko's Modern Life, Bobby's World, and other shows, there's still plenty of crap in that generation too. Like the Marvel cartoons that were on Fox Kids were watered down, even though we had those WB superhero cartoons that has far more violence than those crappy Marvel cartoons. There's also the shows from Saban Entertainment like Power Rangers and VR Troopers which are really cheesy versions of Japanese Sentai shows. There's also the DIC Entertainment version of Sailor Moon, which again, is a watered down version compared to the Japanese anime. It's like today when we have 4kids Entertainment, most of their animes are watered down, yes. But to say that they're dumber, messier, and even more politically correct than the cartoons from 20-30 years ago is just ridiculous if you ask me.

                    Even though cartoons has improved in the 90s, most of the adults that I knew still didn't like these shows. My parents didn't mind the fact that I liked these shows, but there's other people who think otherwise. Like my cousin, who is now 26 years old, thought that the shows from my childhood sucked, and that the shows from his childhood was better. There would be times when I would be watching Nickelodeon and he would be telling me that it was better when they had You Can't Do That On Television, or Danger Mouse.

                    So bottom line, quality has not decreased at all, you guys just simply outgrew these shows.
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                    • surfingthechaos
                      • 5 years 2 months ago
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                      		 Who are you talking to here BlueLuigi? I'm 27, so I'm older than your older cousin. ProphetSword1 wanted a specific example, and I had one right off the top of my head so I wrote it down. Your tirade on the 70s 80s and 90s proves nothing. Every generation has it's ups and downs, but it's fairly obvious that there has been a much more extreme drop off in quality entertainment, generally speaking of course there are a few exceptions, from late 99 onwards. If you disagree then what are you doing on a website dedicated to the 70s 80s and 90s? If everything is just as good as it ever was then you should be out experiencing the now, not wallowing around in some nostalgia website.
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                      • blueluigi
                        • 5 years 2 months ago
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                        surfingthechaos wrote:
                        Who are you talking to here BlueLuigi? I'm 27, so I'm older than your older cousin. ProphetSword1 wanted a specific example, and I had one right off the top of my head so I wrote it down. Your tirade on the 70s 80s and 90s proves nothing. Every generation has it's ups and downs, but it's fairly obvious that there has been a much more extreme drop off in quality entertainment, generally speaking of course there are a few exceptions, from late 99 onwards. If you disagree then what are you doing on a website dedicated to the 70s 80s and 90s? If everything is just as good as it ever was then you should be out experiencing the now, not wallowing around in some nostalgia website.


                        I was pretty much refurring to anyone that ProphetSword1 is talking about. No one in particular, really. Also, I have no problem with nostalgia in general, because I like looking back at some of the older stuff. The problem here is how people take to such an extreme level that it clouds their minds and making everything from the past seem like it was better than how it is now, kind of like what you're doing now by saying that there's an extreme drop in entertainment. Sure looking back at the past is great and all, but we still should live in the present and enjoy some of the stuff that we have there.
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                        • surfingthechaos
                          • 5 years 2 months ago
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                          		 I did clarify that I was speaking in general and that there are exceptions. I acknowledge that many people on here are looking through the past through rose-tinted glasses, but people like you and prophetsword need to allow for the possibility that you may be looking at the present through rose-tinted glasses as well. I try to look at things with as much emotional objectivity as I can, and I have found many specific examples of things getting progressively worse.
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                          • Sunni
                            • 5 years 2 months ago
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                            		 I agree/disagree on too many things. I agree with blueluigi on his points about the 70's 80's and 90's because I think 70's cartoons were horrible, I know that 80's cartoons were largely toy based, and I hated Power Rangers, VR Troopers and anime as a kid. I only watched the good quality shows.

                            On the other hand, I agree with surfingthechaos about the drop in quality because there were a lot more watchable shows (cartoons and live action) during the 90's then there are during this decade. There are a handful that I can stand, but I can no longer leave the TV on knowing there will always be something that comes on anymore. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but sometimes you just want to veg out and be entertained, you know? It's very frustrating when you've become accustomed to that and then you can't do it anymore. Thank goodness for DVDs.

                            I've never heard of looking at the present through rose tinted glasses, but I know what surfingthechaos is getting at and I agree on that point as well. I know some people have enjoyed this decade and more power to them for it, but I for one am tired of having it shoved down my throat and I'll be glad to leave it behind and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

                            On a lighter and somewhat unrelated note, I always thought it was funny if someone tried to tell me I'm looking at the past through rose colored glasses because I actually did wear rose colored glasses as a kid. And from experience I can honestly say that they're actually not that different from regular glasses. Who would have thought? :wink:
                            Recipe for nostalgia: Mix 80's and 90's culture. Stir in some good memories. Add a dash of reflection. Mixture should now taste bittersweet. Shake well and enjoy!
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                            • mickey12
                              • 5 years 2 months ago
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                              Sunni wrote:


                              On a lighter and somewhat unrelated note, I always thought it was funny if someone tried to tell me I'm looking at the past through rose colored glasses because I actually did wear rose colored glasses as a kid. And from experience I can honestly say that they're actually not that different from regular glasses. Who would have thought? :wink:


                              I always wondered what that was like
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                              • ProphetSword1
                                • 5 years 1 month ago
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                                		 Everything being posted here is opinion. There's nothing wrong with that, and if your opinion is that modern kid shows are horrible, that's fine.

                                But, here's a fact:
                                Modern kid shows are a business. They bring in revenue for the companies that produce them via sales generated from merchandise tied to them.

                                It has always been this way. And when kids get tired of one product, the companies will find another.

                                Your cartoon characters are not sacred, they have been sacrificed at the altar of the almighty dollar and prostituted for the benefit of their creators. If you have any illusions otherwise, then you are fooling yourself. It's all big business, and that's what it has always been since the days of Howdy Doody.

                                If you seriously think these companies don't know their customers, then you aren't paying attention to the amount of money they are raking in, and you didn't pay attention to the amount of money your parents spent on the junk you wanted as a child. You might think something new sucks, but the kids don't because it has been geared specifically for them based on market research and actually asking kids to participate in viewings.

                                So, why don't you like it? Because you are no longer a child in this modern world. And children now live in a different world than the children of 10 years ago and the children of 20 years ago. The message doesn't resonate with you and you have lost your connection. What you're seeing seems dumbed down and childish. But, then again, it always has been...you just didn't know it.

                                I'm amazed you can't see this with your own eyes.
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                                • SSPig
                                  • 5 years 1 month ago
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                                  		 Thanks guys, Now im debating whether or not to put my nicktoons article up. :lol:
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                                  • 90sfReAk
                                    • 4 years 6 months ago
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                                    		 i have that bottom nintendo.
                                    " I find your lack of faith, disturbing "
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                                    • System
                                      • 3 years 10 months ago
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                                      		 nobody made mention of how petitions on bringing back tv shows never work
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