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    Orangejuice90s wrote:
    It goes like this as of February 2013:

    2013 = current
    2012-2010 = recent
    2009-2004 = dated
    2003-2000 = old school
    1999-1984 = retro
    1983-1964 = vintage
    1963-1914 = golden old
    1913 and back = antique and beyond

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      This thread is "retro". It's like 4 years old.
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        This site is pretty darn close to being retro.
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          Maybe in 10 to 15 years something will be retro
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            I agree
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              stake n sheak wrote:
              Orangejuice90s wrote:
              It goes like this as of February 2013:

              2013 = current
              2012-2010 = recent
              2009-2004 = dated
              2003-2000 = old school
              1999-1984 = retro
              1983-1964 = vintage
              1963-1914 = golden old
              1913 and back = antique and beyond

              [citation needed]


              Source: Common sense, 2013
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                Makes sense
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                  Orangejuice90s wrote:
                  It goes like this as of February 2013:

                  2013 = current
                  2012-2010 = recent
                  2009-2004 = dated
                  2003-2000 = old school
                  1999-1984 = retro
                  1983-1964 = vintage
                  1963-1914 = golden old
                  1913 and back = antique and beyond


                  Haha, good answer, I shall follow that chart.
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                    [quote=TechNoir87]
                    Orangejuice90s wrote:
                    It goes like this as of February 2013:

                    2013 = current
                    2012-2010 = recent
                    2009-2004 = dated
                    2003-2000 = old school
                    1999-1984 = retro
                    1983-1964 = vintage
                    1963-1914 = golden old
                    1913 and back = antique and beyond[/quote

                    Haha, good answer, I shall follow that chart.


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                      Orangejuice90s wrote:

                      Source: Common sense, 2013


                      :roll: OK, what if I say golden age is 1930-1954, vintage is '55-'75, retro is '76-'83, old school is '84-'93 and so forth? How can you back this up? There's different kinds of things. Golden age film is '30s and '40s, while the golden age of video games is '82-'85 (according to Walter Day) and vintage in that context may be considered anywhere from 1962-2000, a period encompassing most of the relevant history at all. Meanwhile clothing, cars, or film may be something else. You can't draw these hard lines and say specific years apply across everything.
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                        stake n sheak wrote:
                        Orangejuice90s wrote:

                        Source: Common sense, 2013


                        :roll: OK, what if I say golden age is 1930-1954, vintage is '55-'75, retro is '76-'83, old school is '84-'93 and so forth? How can you back this up? There's different kinds of things. Golden age film is '30s and '40s, while the golden age of video games is '82-'85 (according to Walter Day) and vintage in that context may be considered anywhere from 1962-2000, a period encompassing most of the relevant history at all. Meanwhile clothing, cars, or film may be something else. You can't draw these hard lines and say specific years apply across everything.


                        I'd say your confusing "Golden Age" with "Golden Old". Golden Old means something is one of the "golden oldies". "Golden Age" just means either the earliest or best era of something. For example, Super Mario Bros. might be from the "Golden Age" of video games but it's still only "Retro" as an item because it is hardly of similar age for example as the song Personality by Lloyd Price from 1959. I apply this universally because I would consider a grandfather clock built in 1900 to be an antique, a car released in 2006 to be a dated model and a film from 1970 to be vintage. In that sense, my criteria doesn't fail me.
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                          My bad, I thought "golden old" was the same thing as "golden age." So yeah, some confusion. Considering a google search for "golden old" tells me nothing about any specific era, I don't know if that is an accepted term, a designation that is used regionally, or something you made up. Either way how can you say definitively that something from 1913 is an antique but something from 1914 is not? I just checked my dictionary and it says that a car more than 25 years old is an antique.

                          Regardless, a car from 2000 might be dated, but definitely not old school or retro.

                          I also would not call a refrigerator from 2000 dated, old school, or retro. You would have to go back to at least the 80s for those latter two designations. For such terms I think of something like this, from 1954.

                          "Retro" simply means 'of the style of an earlier time.' To bracket it firmly in 1984-1999 is way very subjective, more than your definition allows. Any application of such terms is subjective to a degree.
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                            stake n sheak wrote:
                            My bad, I thought "golden old" was the same thing as "golden age." So yeah, some confusion. Considering a google search for "golden old" tells me nothing about any specific era, I don't know if that is an accepted term, a designation that is used regionally, or something you made up. Either way how can you say definitively that something from 1913 is an antique but something from 1914 is not? I just checked my dictionary and it says that a car more than 25 years old is an antique.

                            Regardless, a car from 2000 might be dated, but definitely not old school or retro.

                            I also would not call a refrigerator from 2000 dated, old school, or retro. You would have to go back to at least the 80s for those latter two designations. For such terms I think of something like this, from 1954.

                            "Retro" simply means 'of the style of an earlier time.' To bracket it firmly in 1984-1999 is way very subjective, more than your definition allows. Any application of such terms is subjective to a degree.


                            Try searching "Golden Oldies" rather than "Golden Old". I just use the term Golden Old to refer to something that can be associated with the more common term "Golden Oldies". Something from 1914 isn't antique because it isn't 100 years old. Also, your car comments contradict themselves. If a car can be from 1988 and already be antique then you'd think it shouldn't take long for a car to become retro. A refrigerator from 2000 could be missing digital features available in a 2013 model so it would hardly be new today. Bracketing it as 1984-1999 means less than 30 years ago but still at least fourteen years ago (I would say fifteen years makes something retro, but for numerical reasons I'm leniant on 1999). I'm not saying it isn't subjective, but that doesn't mean I'm going to be calling my 1989 car an antique any time in the near future.
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                              I am familiar with the term golden oldies. There is a reason it's only used when talking about music, which illustrates my point.
                              Orangejuice90s wrote:
                              Also, your car comments contradict themselves. If a car can be from 1988 and already be antique then you'd think it shouldn't take long for a car to become retro.

                              Another such illustration. "Antique" when discussing to cars is completely different when the topic turns to furniture or books. Would you call a 1988 book antique? Of course not.


                              [quote=Orangejuice90s]A refrigerator from 2000 could be missing digital features available in a 2013 model so it would hardly be new today.[quote]Not every new fridge in stores today has digital features, so I fail to see what that means. In other aspects the lines might be a little different, but I defy you to look at a fridge from 2010 and the same model from 2009 and correctly identify the older one and declare it to be dated while the newer one is not yet.

                              Orangejuice90s wrote:
                              Bracketing it as 1984-1999 means less than 30 years ago but still at least fourteen years ago (I would say fifteen years makes something retro, but for numerical reasons I'm leniant on 1999).
                              It's subjective!

                              Orangejuice90s wrote:
                              that doesn't mean I'm going to be calling my 1989 car an antique any time in the near future.
                              Exactly. Now you can write to Random House and inform them that their dictionary is incorrect (antique, definition 3) and demand a retraction and correction in future editions, or admit that these words don't all have meanings that are clearly delineated by individual years and applicable to everything. The world and culture and objects and categorization thereof are liquid and gray, not concrete and black & white. If you want to define things as "antique" vs "collectible" with a hundred year dividing line that is one thing, but breaking it down into periods of two and three and five years is debatable, unless you can back that up with a reference more authoritative than "common sense."

                              When is something retro? When its style is no longer current. That is true of some movies from 1998, but not all of them. Good Will Hunting from 1997 kind of has some "retro" clothes if you really analyze it, but you can find plenty of people wearing identical clothes today and not in costume. In my opinion there's really not much to call it retro by. On the other hand, Sky Captain is a retro-styled movie, even though it came out in 2004.
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                                [quote=stake n sheak]I am familiar with the term golden oldies. There is a reason it's only used when talking about music, which illustrates my point.
                                Orangejuice90s wrote:
                                Also, your car comments contradict themselves. If a car can be from 1988 and already be antique then you'd think it shouldn't take long for a car to become retro.

                                Another such illustration. "Antique" when discussing to cars is completely different when the topic turns to furniture or books. Would you call a 1988 book antique? Of course not.


                                [quote=Orangejuice90s]A refrigerator from 2000 could be missing digital features available in a 2013 model so it would hardly be new today.
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                                Not every new fridge in stores today has digital features, so I fail to see what that means. In other aspects the lines might be a little different, but I defy you to look at a fridge from 2010 and the same model from 2009 and correctly identify the older one and declare it to be dated while the newer one is not yet.

                                Orangejuice90s wrote:
                                Bracketing it as 1984-1999 means less than 30 years ago but still at least fourteen years ago (I would say fifteen years makes something retro, but for numerical reasons I'm leniant on 1999).
                                It's subjective!

                                Orangejuice90s wrote:
                                that doesn't mean I'm going to be calling my 1989 car an antique any time in the near future.
                                Exactly. Now you can write to Random House and inform them that their dictionary is incorrect (antique, definition 3) and demand a retraction and correction in future editions, or admit that these words don't all have meanings that are clearly delineated by individual years and applicable to everything. The world and culture and objects and categorization thereof are liquid and gray, not concrete and black & white. If you want to define things as "antique" vs "collectible" with a hundred year dividing line that is one thing, but breaking it down into periods of two and three and five years is debatable, unless you can back that up with a reference more authoritative than "common sense."

                                When is something retro? When its style is no longer current. That is true of some movies from 1998, but not all of them. Good Will Hunting from 1997 kind of has some "retro" clothes if you really analyze it, but you can find plenty of people wearing identical clothes today and not in costume. In my opinion there's really not much to call it retro by. On the other hand, Sky Captain is a retro-styled movie, even though it came out in 2004.


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                                  [quote=stake n sheak]I am familiar with the term golden oldies. There is a reason it's only used when talking about music, which illustrates my point.
                                  Orangejuice90s wrote:
                                  Also, your car comments contradict themselves. If a car can be from 1988 and already be antique then you'd think it shouldn't take long for a car to become retro.

                                  Another such illustration. "Antique" when discussing to cars is completely different when the topic turns to furniture or books. Would you call a 1988 book antique? Of course not.


                                  [quote=Orangejuice90s]A refrigerator from 2000 could be missing digital features available in a 2013 model so it would hardly be new today.
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                                  Not every new fridge in stores today has digital features, so I fail to see what that means. In other aspects the lines might be a little different, but I defy you to look at a fridge from 2010 and the same model from 2009 and correctly identify the older one and declare it to be dated while the newer one is not yet.

                                  Orangejuice90s wrote:
                                  Bracketing it as 1984-1999 means less than 30 years ago but still at least fourteen years ago (I would say fifteen years makes something retro, but for numerical reasons I'm leniant on 1999).
                                  It's subjective!

                                  Orangejuice90s wrote:
                                  that doesn't mean I'm going to be calling my 1989 car an antique any time in the near future.
                                  Exactly. Now you can write to Random House and inform them that their dictionary is incorrect (antique, definition 3) and demand a retraction and correction in future editions, or admit that these words don't all have meanings that are clearly delineated by individual years and applicable to everything. The world and culture and objects and categorization thereof are liquid and gray, not concrete and black & white. If you want to define things as "antique" vs "collectible" with a hundred year dividing line that is one thing, but breaking it down into periods of two and three and five years is debatable, unless you can back that up with a reference more authoritative than "common sense."

                                  When is something retro? When its style is no longer current. That is true of some movies from 1998, but not all of them. Good Will Hunting from 1997 kind of has some "retro" clothes if you really analyze it, but you can find plenty of people wearing identical clothes today and not in costume. In my opinion there's really not much to call it retro by. On the other hand, Sky Captain is a retro-styled movie, even though it came out in 2004.


                                  In response to your movie comment about movies, of course no transition is hard-edged but to define it by years, the lines are drawn somewhere. Actually, my 1997 VHS tapes would be alien to a lot of teenagers today. In fact, I asked someone I know born in 2000 if they even knew what a VHS was and they couldn't answer. This 2004 film, was it trying to represent a different period than 2004? I haven't seen the film but If so, it's the time period it represents that is retro, not the film itself. That is the difference.
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                                    [quote=Orangejuice90s][quote=stake n sheak]I am familiar with the term golden oldies. There is a reason it's only used when talking about music, which illustrates my point.
                                    Orangejuice90s wrote:
                                    Also, your car comments contradict themselves. If a car can be from 1988 and already be antique then you'd think it shouldn't take long for a car to become retro.

                                    Another such illustration. "Antique" when discussing to cars is completely different when the topic turns to furniture or books. Would you call a 1988 book antique? Of course not.


                                    Orangejuice90s wrote:
                                    A refrigerator from 2000 could be missing digital features available in a 2013 model so it would hardly be new today.
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                                    Not every new fridge in stores today has digital features, so I fail to see what that means. In other aspects the lines might be a little different, but I defy you to look at a fridge from 2010 and the same model from 2009 and correctly identify the older one and declare it to be dated while the newer one is not yet.

                                    Orangejuice90s wrote:
                                    Bracketing it as 1984-1999 means less than 30 years ago but still at least fourteen years ago (I would say fifteen years makes something retro, but for numerical reasons I'm leniant on 1999).
                                    It's subjective!

                                    Orangejuice90s wrote:
                                    that doesn't mean I'm going to be calling my 1989 car an antique any time in the near future.
                                    Exactly. Now you can write to Random House and inform them that their dictionary is incorrect (antique, definition 3) and demand a retraction and correction in future editions, or admit that these words don't all have meanings that are clearly delineated by individual years and applicable to everything. The world and culture and objects and categorization thereof are liquid and gray, not concrete and black & white. If you want to define things as "antique" vs "collectible" with a hundred year dividing line that is one thing, but breaking it down into periods of two and three and five years is debatable, unless you can back that up with a reference more authoritative than "common sense."

                                    When is something retro? When its style is no longer current. That is true of some movies from 1998, but not all of them. Good Will Hunting from 1997 kind of has some "retro" clothes if you really analyze it, but you can find plenty of people wearing identical clothes today and not in costume. In my opinion there's really not much to call it retro by. On the other hand, Sky Captain is a retro-styled movie, even though it came out in 2004.


                                    In response to your movie comment about movies, of course no transition is hard-edged but to define it by years, the lines are drawn somewhere. Actually, my 1997 VHS tapes would be alien to a lot of teenagers today. In fact, I asked someone I know born in 2000 if they even knew what a VHS was and they couldn't answer. This 2004 film, was it trying to represent a different period than 2004? I haven't seen the film but If so, it's the time period it represents that is retro, not the film itself. That is the difference.


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                                      Orangejuice90s wrote:
                                      In response to your movie comment about movies, of course no transition is hard-edged but to define it by years, the lines are drawn somewhere. Actually, my 1997 VHS tapes would be alien to a lot of teenagers today. In fact, I asked someone I know born in 2000 if they even knew what a VHS was and they couldn't answer. This 2004 film, was it trying to represent a different period than 2004? I haven't seen the film but If so, it's the time period it represents that is retro, not the film itself. That is the difference.


                                      Well, media is different from content. The VHS cassette tape is of course retro or vintage or whatever, but you can watch Good Will Hunting on blu-ray disc or streaming service and the 1997ness fades away. The context of knowing the year of production should not factor in these judgements.

                                      Is the style current? In this case yes it is. There is nothing about the plot, acting, setting, style, or the color and quality of the film stock that makes it seem old fashioned. This is why I say it should not be called a retro movie even though it came out in the 90s. The exact same movie could take place in 2012 as easily as 1997, barring the recognizability of the actors (Matt Damon looks so young) and one single line about "what if gas gets up to $2.50 a gallon" in the middle of a long speech that could otherwise come straight from the mouth of an Occupy Wall Street protester.

                                      Compare this to The Matrix, which came out two years later. Despite its futuristic plot, it is very much of its time, and today it looks and feels dated, even if you don't know it came out in 1999 or who any of the actors are.

                                      Sky Captain & the World of Tomorrow takes place in the 40s and looks like it was filmed in the 40s. Similar to The Artist, if you saw that? I say these are modern movies with retro style. Even though they are clearly not made in their represented periods, (since the pacing is much more in line with today's tastes) they look and feel just like their inspirations.
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                                        Orangejuice90s wrote:
                                        It goes like this as of February 2013:

                                        2013 = current
                                        2012-2010 = recent
                                        2009-2004 = dated
                                        2003-2000 = old school
                                        1999-1984 = retro
                                        1983-1964 = vintage
                                        1963-1914 = golden old
                                        1913 and back = antique and beyond


                                        This is pretty accurate and reasonable. I usually give something 10 years before it gets retro but others say 20.
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                                          stake n sheak wrote:
                                          Orangejuice90s wrote:
                                          In response to your movie comment about movies, of course no transition is hard-edged but to define it by years, the lines are drawn somewhere. Actually, my 1997 VHS tapes would be alien to a lot of teenagers today. In fact, I asked someone I know born in 2000 if they even knew what a VHS was and they couldn't answer. This 2004 film, was it trying to represent a different period than 2004? I haven't seen the film but If so, it's the time period it represents that is retro, not the film itself. That is the difference.


                                          Well, media is different from content. The VHS cassette tape is of course retro or vintage or whatever, but you can watch Good Will Hunting on blu-ray disc or streaming service and the 1997ness fades away. The context of knowing the year of production should not factor in these judgements.

                                          Is the style current? In this case yes it is. There is nothing about the plot, acting, setting, style, or the color and quality of the film stock that makes it seem old fashioned. This is why I say it should not be called a retro movie even though it came out in the 90s. The exact same movie could take place in 2012 as easily as 1997, barring the recognizability of the actors (Matt Damon looks so young) and one single line about "what if gas gets up to $2.50 a gallon" in the middle of a long speech that could otherwise come straight from the mouth of an Occupy Wall Street protester.

                                          Compare this to The Matrix, which came out two years later. Despite its futuristic plot, it is very much of its time, and today it looks and feels dated, even if you don't know it came out in 1999 or who any of the actors are.

                                          Sky Captain & the World of Tomorrow takes place in the 40s and looks like it was filmed in the 40s. Similar to The Artist, if you saw that? I say these are modern movies with retro style. Even though they are clearly not made in their represented periods, (since the pacing is much more in line with today's tastes) they look and feel just like their inspirations.


                                          I for one, personally don't remember seeing a lot of Lady Gaga's fashion choices in 1997 in fact, they would be completely out of place in that time, whereas I've seen people with this more "futuristic"-looking fashion often, at least since 2009/10. On another though, can you also imagine how teenagers today would percieve computer technology typical of 1997? This was before Windows 98 had even been released and I can't imagine someone who is used to Iphones and tablets being on par with that technology at all.
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