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    I NEVER found Doug to be a "relatable character," and I don't find just the character of Doug to be bland and boring, I find the whole show to be bland and boring, and I can go into more detail about why I feel that way, but I'll just agree to disagree. And to be fair, when I talk about Doug, I'm counting both the Nick and Disney verison, cause again, I don't think it's really as different as people make it out to be. The main difference I see(other than voice acting) is that on the Disney verison the school bully Roger is rich for some reason, which is the only vaild criticism I can understand from fans of the original. They've also complain about how the character of Connie lost weight and Doug has one more hair in the Disney verison than the Nick...Well I guess, you have to be a fan to understand why stuff like that is upsetting...

    But I guess I can give a little bit of credit to you for pointing out a fairly good point on the point about Nicktoons fame. Even though I am pretty sure Ren and Stimpy did have better ratings than Doug at one time, it could be stated that in some regrads, Doug made hold up a little better than Ren and Stimpy, at least in the minds of most fans, not excatly my own. I will admit, if I had to choose between the Nick verison or the Disney verison, I would pick the Nick verison.
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      Old_school_JJ wrote:
      I NEVER found Doug to be a "relatable character," and I don't find just the character of Doug to be bland and boring, I find the whole show to be bland and boring, and I can go into more detail about why I feel that way, but I'll just agree to disagree. And to be fair, when I talk about Doug, I'm counting both the Nick and Disney verison, cause again, I don't think it's really as different as people make it out to be. The main difference I see(other than voice acting) is that on the Disney verison the school bully Roger is rich for some reason, which is the only vaild criticism I can understand from fans of the original. They've also complain about how the character of Connie lost weight and Doug has one more hair in the Disney verison than the Nick...Well I guess, you have to be a fan to understand why stuff like that is upsetting...

      But I guess I can give a little bit of credit to you for pointing out a fairly good point on the point about Nicktoons fame. Even though I am pretty sure Ren and Stimpy did have better ratings than Doug at one time, it could be stated that in some regrads, Doug made hold up a little better than Ren and Stimpy, at least in the minds of most fans, not excatly my own. I will admit, if I had to choose between the Nick verison or the Disney verison, I would pick the Nick verison.


      I'm not a fan of the show not because the character is bland. But the show was boring. Even though it's supposed to be relaitable which isn't a bad idea however Doug really did it a bit too well where in my opinion it got really boring. Especially as a kid and watching Doug. You want to see something that you don't usually see. Going back and watching it I still feel the same about it. However I will say the Nick Version had better writing then Disney's version. Even though Nick's was too good at what it did. Disney's was just bad Bland writing.
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        I know kids have imagations and do quite a bit of daydreaming, but Doug did it so much, it became less and less entertaining.

        I agree with you, thatdudeinthehoodie, and I guess that's why, when it comes to "Nicktoons," I usually mention my favorites as AAAAHH! Real Monsters and Angry Beavers, I like to be entertaintain and taken to a different cartoon world.

        And to be fair, sure, I can see why some people found Doug to be a relatable character, with biggest problems having to deal with the school bully (Course, Roger wasn't the most threatening school bully, heck Angelica Pickles from Rugrats had more of a mean streak and to be honest, he should of been teased and bullied himself when you consider the fact that the show was suppose to be set in, at the time, the moderen day and Roger dressed like Fonzie from Happy Days.), having a crush on a girl, and all those deals.
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          Old_school_JJ wrote:
          I NEVER found Doug to be a "relatable character," and I don't find just the character of Doug to be bland and boring, I find the whole show to be bland and boring, and I can go into more detail about why I feel that way, but I'll just agree to disagree. And to be fair, when I talk about Doug, I'm counting both the Nick and Disney verison, cause again, I don't think it's really as different as people make it out to be. The main difference I see(other than voice acting) is that on the Disney verison the school bully Roger is rich for some reason, which is the only vaild criticism I can understand from fans of the original. They've also complain about how the character of Connie lost weight and Doug has one more hair in the Disney verison than the Nick...Well I guess, you have to be a fan to understand why stuff like that is upsetting...

          But I guess I can give a little bit of credit to you for pointing out a fairly good point on the point about Nicktoons fame. Even though I am pretty sure Ren and Stimpy did have better ratings than Doug at one time, it could be stated that in some regrads, Doug made hold up a little better than Ren and Stimpy, at least in the minds of most fans, not excatly my own. I will admit, if I had to choose between the Nick verison or the Disney verison, I would pick the Nick verison.


          Again, that's fine that you don't like the show/find it boring. I guess you have a different taste as far as cartoons and want more histrionics/hyperactive type stuff. Whatever.

          But the Nickelodeon and Disney versions are entirely different stylistically. This is where I get irritated with other fans of the series who try to explain the differences between the Nickelodeon and Disney versions in terms of plot points. It's not about making Roger rich (though that was silly and a microcosm for the new direction they were taking the show - away from realism), or breaking up The Beets, or getting rid of the Honker Burger, or making Connie skinny, or any of those superficial things.

          The Disney version, from the few episodes I managed to sit through, was slapstick/action-oriented, as opposed to character-driven. Take the episode where he and Skeeter cut class, for example (I watched this on Youtube a while back just to have a direct point of comparison). The majority of the episode is them running away from Mr. Bone and some goofy dog and hiding in plain view while managing not to be seen. It progressively gets more and more over-the-top ridiculous to the point where you're wondering if the show was hijacked by the writers of Inspector Gadget.

          It was just pure slapstick silliness. The Disney Doug, probably in part because they changed the format from 2 11-minute stories per episode to 1 22-minute story, was full of these kinds of drawn out action scenes, with very little in the way of introspective analysis or character development. It seems like they were using them as filler. And they weren't scenes featuring the amusing cartoonish antics in Looney Tunes or whathaveyou; Doug was never about whacked out, gravity-defying animation, but the Disney version treated it as if that's what they were going for.

          They just turned the show into something completely different stylistically, and it baffles me that anyone wouldn't readily see this. Whether you liked either version or not, it's like comparing classical music to rap in terms of the stylistic differences.

          And yes, the voice acting was an enormous difference. You can have the best writing in the world, but if the performances aren't there, it won't matter. Thomas McHugh had no idea how to play Doug. Well, he obviously had an "idea," but it wasn't the right one. He doesn't come across as a real person in the Disney version, and when he's written as insensitive or inconsiderate, he comes across as nothing more than a selfish, entitled, obnoxious prick, even when he apologizes in the end. McHugh never got any sincerity across. He never made Doug seem sincerely well-meaning. I'm left asking myself, "why would I root for this douchebag?," and that's the last thing you want in the protagonist, unless that's what you're going for in a Sopranos/Breaking Bad type of show.

          But I'm rambling at this point. The bottom line is, the Nickelodeon Doug and the Disney Doug are nothing alike, and it's not because of any of the things the average Joe cites on the internet when lamenting the development of the Disney version.

          I'd go into the shift in artistic style from the atmospheric hand-drawn & painted backgrounds in the Nickelodeon series to the generic, garish, lifeless Disney ones, but that's another topic.
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            Again, when discussing the Nicktoons popularity, what I meant is that in the long run, Doug was a more successful program on the network than Ren and Stimpy. Ren and Stimpy had higher ratings than anything in 91-92, but once John Kricfalusi was fired, it fell off a cliff. Doug and Rugrats, meanwhile, both broke out around the same time - circa 1994. They were the top 2 series on Nickelodeon in ratings for pretty much the remainder of the decade. When wikipedia talks about Rugrats becoming a later breakout hit, what it doesn't mention is that Doug was right on its heels, sometimes even out-performing it, at the same time as that was happening. But Disney bought Jumbo Pictures (and, consequently, Doug) in 1996, while Nickelodeon only brought back Rugrats.
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              I did mention the voice acting as a legit critism of comparing the Nick Doug to the Disney Doug. Billy West was better at performing both Roger and Doug.

              To be fair, I did enjoy your pointing out of the REAL differences between both verisons of Doug. Like I said, if I had to choose between Nick's verison and Disney's verison, I honestly would go with Nick's, and it is for the reasons you mentioned (and this is coming from someone who does happen to be a Disney fan, overall). To be fair, I can't remember much of the actual Disney Doug series, but I do remember the movie, which was awful.

              As far as me only liking "hyperactive stuff" for my characters, that's not true at all either, as I do very much enjoy King of the Hill. It's just that overall Doug didn't really do much for me. Again, as mentioned in my very first post, no I wouldn't consider Doug the "worst thing about 90s Nick," but possibly the most overratted.
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                Old_school_JJ wrote:
                I did mention the voice acting as a legit critism of comparing the Nick Doug to the Disney Doug. Billy West was better at performing both Roger and Doug.

                To be fair, I did enjoy your pointing out of the REAL differences between both verisons of Doug. Like I said, if I had to choose between Nick's verison and Disney's verison, I honestly would go with Nick's, and it is for the reasons you mentioned (and this is coming from someone who does happen to be a Disney fan, overall). To be fair, I can't remember much of the actual Disney Doug series, but I do remember the movie, which was awful.

                As far as me only liking "hyperactive stuff" for my characters, that's not true at all either, as I do very much enjoy King of the Hill. It's just that overall Doug didn't really do much for me. Again, as mentioned in my very first post, no I wouldn't consider Doug the "worst thing about 90s Nick," but possibly the most overratted.


                When I looked at it the show even though was boring and still is. The writing in the Nick version was far more better. TheEducator brought up some really good points with how the Disney version and the Nick one are different and I saw these points myself. Looking at it from the writing I'd rather see a show that is doing too good at what it wants to do and still get points on it's writing from me even though I think it is boring. Compared to Disney which was slapstick silly which even to a kid can get pretty repetitive after a while. Though at least Nickelodeon doesn't have the shame of that god awful Doug Movie (I saw it as a kid begging my mom to see it I still feel dirty to this day) But I can understand why people enjoy the show so much.
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                  i don't know if anyone would agree or not but it has to be sabrina the teenage witch
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                    Sabrina wasn't a Nicktoon
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                      Loved Doug! And I loved are you afraid of the dark and all that and kenan and kel and figure it out. I really hated the Amanda show and hey Arnold and......I'm sure people are gonna really disagree with this but I despise rugrats!
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                        I also really like rocks modern life
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                            ZeldaQueen wrote:
                            I also really like rocks modern life

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                              Fifteen
                              Roundhouse
                              All Grown Up (Making Rugrats teenagers was a terrible idea.)
                              Rocket Power
                              Pelswick

                              All the shows above were garbage.
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                                Everything 2002 - 2013 because 2000 was when it started to get lame but it didn't go completely unwatchable until about 2 years afterwards when it became all 64-Bit like the other cartoon channels did at the same time. :D

                                I didn't mind the early CGI in the 80s and 90s when they still looked like painted with an extra bit of colour or the early primative 32-Bit 3D version of the current version from the Reboot series and Donkey Kong but this 64-Bit 2D and 64-Bit 3D should stay in the movies only as it doesn't belong in non blockbuster cartoons.

                                I don't mind 64-Bit in movies as they are what it's really for but bringing it to television they never should have did that and after they all began doing that I quit watching cartoons other than the adult ones which win me over with adult humor and actual watchable minimal for these days 32-Bit CGI over the 64-Bit S$£t CGI as I call it when it's used on a TV cartoon instead of blockbusters.
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                                  Ok even though I criticize the animated series Doug, I have to admit after watching some of the reruns of CatDog on "the 90s are all that" I now feel CatDog was the worst of the 90s Nicktoons. Yes Doug was boring (at least in my view) but CatDog was just well...dumb. Like Doug the show did feature some great talent, like the voice acting of Jim Cummings, but the concept is just awful. No wonder even as a kid in middle school, I never really got into this show. I would take Doug any day over CatDog.
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                                    Inside Out Boy was just a short, but I find it pretty freakin' creepy. :P
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                                      donnie darko wrote:
                                      Inside Out Boy was just a short, but I find it pretty freakin' creepy. :P


                                      I think that was the whole point of it. But it get's scary when you make him slow mo.
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                                        Thatdudeinthehoodie wrote:
                                        donnie darko wrote:
                                        Inside Out Boy was just a short, but I find it pretty freakin' creepy. :P


                                        I think that was the whole point of it. But it get's scary when you make him slow mo.

                                        SCARY SLO-MO!
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                                          Nickelodeoninthe90s wrote:
                                          Thatdudeinthehoodie wrote:
                                          donnie darko wrote:
                                          Inside Out Boy was just a short, but I find it pretty freakin' creepy. :P


                                          I think that was the whole point of it. But it get's scary when you make him slow mo.

                                          SCARY SLO-MO!


                                          Haha nice Nostalgia Critic reference
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