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knuclear200x 6 years 4 months ago Posts: 5947 Account Disabled	heres a fact that will remain forever: people only like old shows because they grew up with them. the new shows tend to recycle plots and humor but still have something new sometimes. but only the nostalgic would look at it as recycled.

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Sunni 6 years 4 months ago Posts: 429	The only thing new about them is usually the style or the animation. Animation styles look awful nowadays. They look like the characters were drawn by a three year old. There's also a lot more fart jokes than there used to be, which kind of defeats the purpose of bringing back an old plot because they dumb it down too much. Are kids today really that stupid that they need a fart joke to keep them sitting still?
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Retro1986 6 years 4 months ago Posts: 169 Globally Banned	Not true. People like good old shows because they were good and today's quality deteriate's by the second. The reason people complain is because they don't except it, and why should they? Sure there's a FEW "good" shows today. But in the 90's there was like a thousand AWESOME shows on everyday! Fine if you like it but not many other do. We miss good TV! Today's tv teach kids and people bad idea's. People actually cared about the shows back then an put thought into them. They cared about the viewers, all they care about is the ratings and money. "Waste of energy" Then don't bother! Nobody asked you to. Maybe if they start caring about the veiwers again, then the viewers WILL have some say in it. That's why people complain. In hopes that somebody important will hear their cries. Finally.

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Retro1986 6 years 4 months ago Posts: 169 Globally Banned	Anyway, that wasn't the point anyway. The point was TV today sucks and 90's TV was the best it will ever be. No prove me wrong??

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mlw1984 6 years 4 months ago Posts: 1438 Account Disabled	Complaining doesn't work at all and whatever makes the networks money, that's what they are going to air. They probably won't bring back the older shows on their main networks because that is not what makes the money. Television is a business and they have to make money to stay alive so they take off old shows to make room for new shows. It's been going on for decades. Most of the older shows are on DVD already and more and more shows are getting released every Tuesday, so I think you should stop complaining and go buy the DVDs. And if you can't afford them, then go on the internet and watch the shows. And yes, there are a lot of crappy shows out now, but the 1990's had it's share of crappy shows too, it's just that most of them are forgotten. No era of TV is flawless, all of them have their share of junk. You just have to dig through the junk to find the gems. Do I enjoy old shows? Yes. But do I sit around all day complaining about how much networks don't air old shows? No.

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Retro1986 6 years 4 months ago Posts: 169 Globally Banned	Actually, "what makes money" IS what the fans want. Its just that today's stations don't know what the fans want. which is why tv sucks so bad these days. Back in the day, the tv stations listened. So yes voicing your opinion did work back then. Everybody knows you can see the old shows on DVD or the internet. That's not what we're complaining about. We're complaining about how much today's tv sucked compared to the 90's. We don't want to see old shows, we want to see new episode's of old shows or atleast new episode's of good new shows, instead of the crap you like to watch. "And yes, there are a lot of crappy shows out now, but the 1990's had it's share of crappy shows too" That's a false statement if i ever heard one. Let me rephrase that for you.... Yes there are barley any good shows on tv today. A whole lot of crappy one's with a few exceptions. The 1990's had a few crappy shows but a whole lot of good one's too!...........That's much more true. I thought your argument was about TV today being better then 90's tv. That's false. If your worried about hearing people complaining. TOO BAD! people want good tv, not crap like they show today. and if your worried about hearing over and over about missing 90's TV, again TOO BAD! It's a retro site, the people on here are tremendous fans of the 90's and that's what they come here to talk about.

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Sunni 6 years 4 months ago Posts: 429	Retro1986 wrote: Actually, "what makes money" IS what the fans want. Its just that today's stations don't know what the fans want. which is why tv sucks so bad these days. Back in the day, the tv stations listened. So yes voicing your opinion did work back then. Everybody knows you can see the old shows on DVD or the internet. That's not what we're complaining about. We're complaining about how much today's tv sucked compared to the 90's. We don't want to see old shows, we want to see new episode's of old shows or atleast new episode's of good new shows, instead of the crap you like to watch. "And yes, there are a lot of crappy shows out now, but the 1990's had it's share of crappy shows too" That's a false statement if i ever heard one. Let me rephrase that for you.... Yes there are barley any good shows on tv today. A whole lot of crappy one's with a few exceptions. The 1990's had a few crappy shows but a whole lot of good one's too!...........That's much more true. I thought your argument was about TV today being better then 90's tv. That's false. If your worried about hearing people complaining. TOO BAD! people want good tv, not crap like they show today. and if your worried about hearing over and over about missing 90's TV, again TOO BAD! It's a retro site, the people on here are tremendous fans of the 90's and that's what they come here to talk about. I'm just glad I'm not the only one who can see just how true that really is. Why does Lifetime think I want to watch a bunch of movies of women being murdered? If the slogan for TBS is "very funny" then why do they sometimes show sports during prime-time? And don't even get me started on MTV. It's all about what people think will make them money and not about what we really want to see. The only shows made for us are shows like Family Guy, South Park, and The Office. But what if we want to watch TV before 8 at night or later? We're screwed! And as far as getting the DVDs goes, I'm all for it, but it's taking forever. So many of the shows I loved aren't even scheduled for release yet. And keep in mind that with the formats changing so quickly, it's likely that we'll have to keep buying them over and over again. That money adds up as the years go by. That's the real reason shows don't get released for years and why the networks stop showing them. It's so we'll pay outrageous prices just to see them again because they aren't shown anymore. Call it whining all you want. I call it an inconveinient truth.
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System
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This thread fails at life. Most TV these days is just SHITTY reality shows.
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mlw1984 6 years 4 months ago Posts: 1438 Account Disabled	Ok, I'm done with this thread. It's just useless trying to tell you people that Television is a business. Some of you guys would rather whine rather than provide constructive criticism. Petitions don't work, no matter how many people sign them. There isn't anything we can do to convince these networks to bring back the old shows onto their main networks and take off the new shows. That is extremely unrealistic and won't be happening. Television was never about the fans. It was always about making money since day one. I never said that today's TV is better than 1990's TV. You are just putting words into my mouth. I said "There are crappy shows out now, but the 1990's had their crap too". Unlike you and the other people whining, I actually take the time to give shows a chance rather than bashing them. I like shows from every era. If I don't like a show, I simply don't watch it and that's what you should do too rather than complain about it. As for DVDs, some shows probably won't get released because there isn't a demand for certain shows or some shows have music rights or whatever they have to settle before the show gets released on DVD. There are more IMPORTANT things to worry about than TV shows. You got school, family, social life, work... all that good stuff. Whining about how much TV has gotten bad in recent years isn't going to get you anywhere in life. At times like this, I wish Velcrohead was here. Opinions really do seem to be banned on this thread. I'm out.

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Retro1986 6 years 4 months ago Posts: 169 Globally Banned	That's good mlw1984 because I think your the only one here who cares. We all don't really want to talk to you about this anymore either. We all know your wrong. TV sucks today, its a bunch of crappy reality shows. Our side had all of the logical points and facts so far. Your argument was TV today is just as good as 90's. We've proved it that no, Tv today completley, hardcore sucks! compared to the 90's. As far as your business theory goes, thats fine. We never said business didn't work that way "these days" The 90's business men were just a little more senible and cared more about their fans which equals ratingsand money. issue resovled.

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SSJ Jup81 6 years 4 months ago Posts: 4806	mlw1984 wrote: Ok, I'm done with this thread. It's just useless trying to tell you people that Television is a business. Some of you guys would rather whine rather than provide constructive criticism. Petitions don't work, no matter how many people sign them. There isn't anything we can do to convince these networks to bring back the old shows onto their main networks and take off the new shows. That is extremely unrealistic and won't be happening. Television was never about the fans. It was always about making money since day one. I never said that today's TV is better than 1990's TV. You are just putting words into my mouth. I said "There are crappy shows out now, but the 1990's had their crap too". Unlike you and the other people whining, I actually take the time to give shows a chance rather than bashing them. I like shows from every era. If I don't like a show, I simply don't watch it and that's what you should do too rather than complain about it. As for DVDs, some shows probably won't get released because there isn't a demand for certain shows or some shows have music rights or whatever they have to settle before the show gets released on DVD. There are more IMPORTANT things to worry about than TV shows. You got school, family, social life, work... all that good stuff. Whining about how much TV has gotten bad in recent years isn't going to get you anywhere in life. At times like this, I wish Velcrohead was here. Opinions really do seem to be banned on this thread. I'm out. Claps One of the most logical posts in this entire thread.

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System 6 years 4 months ago Posts: 74809	In the 90s, we used to have kick ass shows like Pete and Pete and Beavis and Butthead. Now we have shitty prep Disney Channel shows and Nick is shit too and along with CN and MTV.

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Retro1986 6 years 4 months ago Posts: 169 Globally Banned	"Claps One of the most logical posts in this entire thread." Says the kid who wishes he was a 90's kid. Not logical at all. "Television was never about the fans. It was always about making money since day one." Are you that dumb! Kid fans=money. And yes it was once like that, because most of the old business men knew that. Just shut up, lol. They basically do the exsact opposite of what fans want now. I give every show a chanse that's on today, now your putting words in my mouth. I gave them a chance and they all suck. It's not our fault that your mind is simple to entertain. It's ok if you like will and grace and a bunch of reality shows and soap opera's, But nobody else does. I like shows from every era too, like family guy. Its just that every show in the 90's was pretty much a atleast a little good or they would take it off. It's gotten to the point were your not even making sense anymore man. Who said we don't worry about social life and school? We just complain about tv on our spare time because we don't except the crap they give us today Your on here complaining about how much you hear about the 90's. lol, what's complaining about it going to do YOU HYPOCRITE! You can have your opinion all you want, but when its wrong, we'll tell you. Its like if your opinion was that 2+2=5 it's just wrong.

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blueluigi 6 years 4 months ago Posts: 3365 Account Disabled	Retro1986 wrote: "Television was never about the fans. It was always about making money since day one." Are you that dumb! Kid fans=money. And yes it was once like that, because most of the old business men knew that. Just shut up, lol. They basically do the exsact opposite of what fans want now. I think YOU'RE the one who's being dumb. The companies are still able to make money off their shows and their shows DO have fans, you just don't know about it. Retro1986 wrote: It's not our fault that your mind is simple to entertain. It's ok if you like will and grace and a bunch of reality shows and soap opera's, But nobody else does. There is people who do like those shows and I know people who DOES like them. And who says that we're entertained by soap operas and reality shows. I'm not, but there IS good shows today. Have you ever watched Heroes, The Office, 24, Robot Chicken, or Metalocolipse. If not then try watching THOSE shows and then tell me that those shows are garbage. Retro1986 wrote: I like shows from every era too, like family guy. Its just that every show in the 90's was pretty much a atleast a little good or they would take it off. It's gotten to the point were your not even making sense anymore man. The reason why all the shows from the 90s are good is because you were a kid. There's bad shows in every decade. TV in the 1990s is not flawless, I've been rewatching some old 90s broadcasts lately and I don't see that much of a difference then as I do now (well the mid-90s at least) Don't get me wrong, I like the 1990s shows as much as the next person but in a way, there's not much difference then, pretty much the big change now is HDTV. Retro1986 wrote: Who said we don't worry about social life and school? We just complain about tv on our spare time because we don't except the crap they give us today Your on here complaining about how much you hear about the 90's. lol, what's complaining about it going to do YOU HIPOCRITE! Oh gee, so the fact you complain about TV in your SPARE TIME makes everything better. No, it doesn't. If you can't accept the shows that's on TV nowadays then just get the shows on DVD. If you can't afford it, then do something to get enough money, like sell some of your old toys, video games, etc. Do whatever you can and go down to Best Buy or whatever place sells DVDs and buy your favorate shows that's on DVD, because there's plenty of old shows on DVD nowadays like The Fresh Prince of Bel-air, Animaniacs, The Super Mario Bros Super Show, Inspector Gadget, Full House, etc. Not to stop you from watching them but some of those shows may not be as good as you may remember them, just to let you know.

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liukangx 6 years 4 months ago Posts: 3919	now wait!! there was a time when it wasn't about business, it was about make some thing good everyone could enjoy. have you guys ever heard of Tex Avery? it wasn't business to him, it was life and his legacy,Mel Blanc? those are two people I read about and seen their cartoons(more like works of art) you cannot say that kids and adults didn't like them. T.V. didn't used to be a "just a business" there were and still are people that want to make good shows that make a difference. Make something that they can be proud of, not because "they are making money" but because it was an achievement.
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SSJ Jup81 6 years 4 months ago Posts: 4806	Retro1986 wrote: "Claps One of the most logical posts in this entire thread." Says the kid who wishes he was a 90's kid. I was a child/teenager in the 90s. That aside, his post did make a lot of sense. If these shows of today were so bad, then there wouldn't be a fanbase for it. There are crappy television shows every decade, this one shouldn't be singled out. Just like mlw1984, if I don't like or care for a show, I just don't watch it. I don't waste my energy or time complaining about it and I sure as hell don't go around complaining about Disney and Nickelodeon because I'm too damn old to be watching it in the first place. Adults have no right complaining about networks that cater to kids, and this is what I keep seeing on here. Both stations still caters to kids, so it's not like they jumped shark. The only thing that's changed, is what kids like of today compared to those years ago. When I was young, I liked teen shows (Sweet Valley High; California Dreams; Fifteen; City Guys; Saved By the Bell; Welcome Freshman), but there didn't seem to be as many of them to watch back then. Seems that the whole preteen/teen show dynamic is popular amongst the youths of now. Should I complain about it? No, because I'm in my 20s and not even a blip on the radar as far as demographics are concerned. MTV deserves to be criticized, since that station has jumped shark, and has been since the late 90s, imo. That deserves to be complained about, since "music" is a rarity with this station now-a-days. Retro1986 wrote: They basically do the exsact opposite of what fans want now. If a television series don't have fans, the these shows and television show types wouldn't still be on. I personally don't care for reality television, but my opinion doesn't mean that all people dislike it. Reality television is obviously popular amongst fans (apparently, more of them, than those like me), which is why we seemingly get a new reality series every week. Retro1986 wrote: It's not our fault that your mind is simple to entertain. That's not it. I just don't sit around and cry and whine like a baby over stuff I'm not a fan of. Retro1986 wrote: It's ok if you like will and grace and a bunch of reality shows and soap opera's, But nobody else does. I like shows from every era too, like family guy. Its just that every show in the 90's was pretty much a atleast a little good or they would take it off. That's not it, usually, although the cancellation of George Lopez is still questionable. Anyway, it's all about ratings. If the ratings are bad, then the show gets taken off. I always thought that was common knowledge. If a network can't seem to find a good time for a television series, then the show gets taken off. If the show isn't making the network money, then it gets taken off. It's not like how it was thirty and forty years ago where some television shows had good runs, despite ratings being mediocre. They were given more of a chance back then, and that's probably due to the fact that there were less stations and less on. Also, I pretty much can't stand soap operas, but there's a huge fanbase that does. The only soap opera I've actually seen and enjoyed to some extent where I don't mind voluntarily watching, and not out of force (my grandmother loves it when I watch with her), is Dark Shadows. Even though this series was popular back in its day, this show got taken off due to the fact that the group they wanted watching the series, wasn't too much. They wanted to advertise towards and older audience, so that they could by products being advertised in the commercials. Teenagers were the main watching audience. Teens don't make decisions on buying stuff, hence the show's being yanked...to my knowledge anyway.

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SSJ Jup81 6 years 4 months ago Posts: 4806	liukangx wrote: now wait!! there was a time when it wasn't about business, it was about make some thing good everyone could enjoy. have you guys ever heard of Tex Avery? it wasn't business to him, it was life and his legacy,Mel Blanc? those are two people I read about and seen their cartoons(more like works of art) you cannot say that kids and adults didn't like them. I liked their cartoons, but I still don't see what this has to do with the current topic of discussion. I think it's great that both enjoyed doing what they did. Don't most people who act or create feel the same way about their works? It's not limited, nor should it be limited, to just those two or of those in the past. liukangx wrote: T.V. didn't used to be a "just a business" there were and still are people that want to make good shows that make a difference. Make something that they can be proud of, not because "they are making money" but because it was an achievement. Technically, that's what's being done now, isn't it? If people weren't watching these shows, then they wouldn't keep making them. I still don't understand the fascination with reality shows, stuff like American Idol included, but people watch it. It's probably a combination of both "business" and "fans". The simple point of the matter is...if a show doesn't make money or grab decent enough fanbase, then the show will not do well and will be taken off. The people who work at the networks probably think in this fashion...those directly connected to said project (artists; actors; etc), probably feel the way that you mentioned. Ideally, that's how it should be, but it's not, unfortunately. Network executives only want series that'll make them money.

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Hiro
6 years 4 months ago
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Please kill this damn thread. It's no point in arguing with people who do nothing but bitch and complain.
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Sunni 6 years 4 months ago Posts: 429	Reality shows are just another part of the dumbing down of America and sorry to all their fans but if you watch shows like that, then yes you are easily entertained. American Idol is boring and pointless because it's just the judges saying the same thing over and over to each contestant and I don't why they call it American Idol because the people they choose aren't really what you'd call idols or role models or anything of the sort. Seriously. No offense, but you aren't going to convince me that TV is just as good as used to be by using the same old cliche arguments like go buy the DVDs and just don't watch it and TV is a business and all of that. These arguments are pointless because a lot of DVDs I want aren't available, I already don't watch the shows, and TV has been struggling as a business in recent years. I do watch the few exceptions like Family Guy, South Park, Robot Chicken, and The Office so I know good TV when I see it. Just because there's a few good shows out there now doesn't mean that this decade is the same as the 90's, just like because there were a few bad shows in the 90's it doesn't mean that the 90's are the same as the 00's TV-wise.
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Stickykeys09 6 years 4 months ago Posts: 290	80skidAK wrote: Power Rangers (and all its knockoffs) sucked. "Doug" sucked. "Recess" sucked. "Rugrats" sucked. In fact, the only "kids" shows from '92 onwards we thought were decent were Batman, Gargoyles, Animaniacs, The Tick (which had a more grown up appeal anyway), Beast Wars, and MAYBE X-Men. Everything else sucked. Now I'm sure a lot of people here loved all those other shows. My friends and I didn't, but they just weren't written for us. And am I the only one who thinks there's a LOT of great TV if you know where to find it? Entourage. Heroes. Lost. Prison Break. 24. Arrested Development. The Shield. Nip/Tuck. Rescue Me. It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. Robot Chicken. South Park. The new Battlestar Galactica. Reaper. Aliens in America. Pushing Daisies. Deadwood. And until somewhat recently, The Sopranos, The Dead Zone, and Dead Like Me. That's your opinion though. I liked all of those shows you said, including the ones you don't like. For those of you still complaining, we don't meet todays demographic. Sorry guys, we grew up.
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