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WARLORD1863 9 years 1 month ago Posts: 518	You know what? There is absolutely nothing on here about sports. Every week I'll post something nice from the sports world Week 5 NFL Point of Interest: The tuck rule - Since I'm a diehard Washington Redskins fan I have a biased against this, especially after the last game against the Denver Broncos. Very few players and coaches, if any at all, agree with this rule. So why is it still in the books? Every year the rules change, coaches have to vote on every rule. And yet, this rule has been allowed to stay in. From the fiasco in the playoffs two years ago with the Patriots to the potential safety for the Redskins, which might have given them enough points to tie the game and POSSIBLY win it. It's a bad rule, but unfortunately the nfl can't get rid of the rule until the next voting session in the off-season. The Eagles - For those who didn't see the Eagles vs. Cowboys game, the Eagles got mauled badly. At first I had flashbacks of the previous Eagles game with the Kansas City Chiefs, similar situation where the Eagles were being pummeled. But instead of making an amazing comeback, the Eagles fell to the Cowboys. Here's the debate: Are the Eagles that bad? Or! Are the Cowboys that good? Personally, I think the Eagles haven't been playing as a team lately, things aren't connecting as they did the previous seasons. I think the Super Bowl loss snapped something and they've lost their focus. Atlanta Braves - Yet another playoff appearance by the Braves, and yet another dissappointing, and incredibly long end. 18 innings, can you believe that? That's 2 full games combined into 1! Insane stuff, I wonder if they had another 7th inning stretch. A 16th inning stretch? Yankees and Red Sox - Both teams made it to the playoffs, and both teams are going home. Steinbrenner has BIG plans for the Yankees this off-season. Although in my opinion Yankee fans are too tough on their players. After Matsui grounded out in the 9th to lose the game, several fans in bars made nasty comments about their beloved Yankees. To sum it all up, several consider the team a "major dissappointment". Are you kidding me?! I know these guys have won a lot in their time, but to call them a major dissappointment after fighting tooth and nail in the last game. I'd be happy to see the Washington Nationals even get CLOSE to the playoff picture. The truth is, they played great and went far, but you can't win them all. They deserve respect. Colts - They are now the only undefeated team in the NFL. They have the Rams and the Texans before they get a break, think they'll make it to their bye week undefeated? My prediction - Yes. Ben Rothlisberger - Steeler fans around the country grabbed their heads when they saw Ben's leg bend in the wrong direction. With Maddux down as well, their only hope is Batch. Can they win with their 3rd string QB? I think they have a great team all around, especially with Bettis back plowing through any defensive line. The Packers - They won a game! THEY WON A GAME!!! That's all I have to say. Please comment if you like! I'll post another round next week.
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Derrick 9 years 1 month ago Posts: 581	Sweet a sports post. Even though I'm a biased local pro sports fan I can shine some light on the rest of the country. First off, the pride and joy of the Niners Alex Smith "Mr. Number 1" made his ugly and predictable debut yesterday. He got destroyed for 4 picks and fumble as the Niners lost yet again to the unstoppable Colts 28-3. Heh, I actually though the Colts let them off too easily. I thought it was gonna be a huge blowout like 55-0 or something by the third quarter. But Manning defintely isnt the same QB as he was last year. Only one TD pass and the only reason I'm disappointed is that he's on my fantasy team. As for the Niners, I've said all along the No. 1 pick shoulda been on a good wide reciever like Braylon Edwards or a good RB like Cadillac Williams. This organization has no idea what the hell theyre doing. Mike Nolan doesnt seem to know what he's doing either. The Colts wont win it all though until we see them play some talented teams like the Pats or the Steelers or some team that can put up a fight. But they have the best defense in the league. Unlike the Ravens who are falling apart fast. Look the NFC north. Ugh, the Packers, Bears, Vikings, Lions. It'll take 6 games to win that division. Ooooh, the Eagles are NOT the best team in the NFC. Yeah, that positions up for grabs this year. I knew TO will screw up any team hes on. The Patriots keep living life on the edge, they aint the same team as the last 3 years. Their defense has been exposed as mediocre after all. On to baseball. Yankees lose yet again. I'm still angry at the Angels for winning the World Series in 2002 (Bonds best and probably last chance at a title) so I was going for the Yanks on this one. But hey, I dont care. They won too much and spent too much money and it aint fair. I think the Braves are cursed. Winning 14 division titles in a row doesnt mean anything unless you make it outta the first round. As for the 18 inning marathon game yesterday...wow. Not at the game. But the guy in the stands that caught TWO homerun balls, the grand slam and the walk off. How lucky is that bastard??!! Astros and Cardinals - rematch of last years NLCS. Should be a good one, another 7 game series I think. I think the Stros will win. The White Sox are my pick to win it all this year. They got the pitching.
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System 9 years 1 month ago Posts: 74809	WARLORD1863 wrote: The tuck rule - Since I'm a diehard Washington Redskins fan I have a biased against this, especially after the last game against the Denver Broncos. Very few players and coaches, if any at all, agree with this rule. So why is it still in the books? Why do you say that? The only people who are against this rule are those who lost a game because of it. You'd be upset too if it happened to you. If the QB's arm is moving forward when the ball comes out, it's an incomplete pass. It's as easy as that. wrote: Every year the rules change, coaches have to vote on every rule. And yet, this rule has been allowed to stay in. Exactly. Coaches don't want it to be voted out. It's a fair rule. If the coaches didn't like it, they would have abolished it by now. Right? wrote: From the fiasco in the playoffs two years ago with the Patriots to the potential safety for the Redskins, which might have given them enough points to tie the game and POSSIBLY win it. Fiasco? How is making the right call on the field at a crucial time a fiasco? If anything, it was one of the best jobs by an official of getting the call correct in an instant replay. That's why instant replay is there, so we can get the correct calls every time according to the NFL rule book. If they had simply stuck with the call as a fumble, and the Raiders went on to win the game, THAT would be a fiasco, because it would have been a misrepresentation of the rules. wrote: Atlanta Braves - Yet another playoff appearance by the Braves, and yet another dissappointing, and incredibly long end. 18 innings, can you believe that? That's 2 full games combined into 1! Insane stuff, I wonder if they had another 7th inning stretch. A 16th inning stretch? Yankees and Red Sox - Both teams made it to the playoffs, and both teams are going home. Steinbrenner has BIG plans for the Yankees this off-season. Although in my opinion Yankee fans are too tough on their players. After Matsui grounded out in the 9th to lose the game, several fans in bars made nasty comments about their beloved Yankees. To sum it all up, several consider the team a "major dissappointment". Are you kidding me?! I know these guys have won a lot in their time, but to call them a major dissappointment after fighting tooth and nail in the last game. I'd be happy to see the Washington Nationals even get CLOSE to the playoff picture. The truth is, they played great and went far, but you can't win them all. They deserve respect. HAHAHAHA... The Yankees, with the $200 million PLUS payroll, with a lineup full of All-Stars, with the best player (A-Rod), the best starter of his era (Randy Johnson), and the best closer of his era (Rivera), are not a disappointment for losing in the first round of the playoffs. But wait... in the National League, there's a team who got devastated by injuries to their pitchers, had to bring tons of rookies up to the majors, won their 14th straight division title (to a hot Astros team), and loses a heartbreaker in the playoffs, and they are a disappointment??? I respect these guys 100 million times more than the Yankees. They ran into a tough Astros team with some of the best pitching we've seen in years, and sadly they must go home again without a World Series title. But to call them a disappointment and not the Yankees is just incredibly dumb to me.

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Lucas2600b 9 years 1 month ago Posts: 82	What are these sports you speak of? GEEK TRANSLATION OF SPORTS -> Space age shorts that can be worn in zero gravity
	"YEAH YEAH!!!! THIS WAS THE HOLE THAT WAS FILLED WITH WATER WHERE WE HAD TO SAVE THE VIRGIN THAT WAS GETTING EATEN BY THE GIANT SNAKE!!!!" -"Dragnet" (1987)
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WARLORD1863 9 years 1 month ago Posts: 518	First of all, Oaf, I saw a lack of any attempt at sports talk on this board so I thought I'd start something. This is a public forum, I was opening discussion. Second of all, you may think you have facts on your side, but you don't. Your disgruntled feelings towards the yankees is something called an opinion, I simply stated mine but don't think you look like some kind of God by appearing confident in YOUR opinion. You haven't fazed me a bit, and I'll be back to post more every week. Do you know what the tuck rule is? Because there's a difference between forward motion and a tuck. If you want to so viciously attack someone who's merely trying to open discussion then two can play at this game. Before you make your next arrogant post how about you do a little research first. I mean it can only help in an argument, and yours needs all the help it can get. And as for the opinion on the rule in the NFL, you don't know what they think. I don't know what they think. But what I do know is that from the dozens of interviews that I've seen with coaches and players and sports writers, it is a bad rule and for some reason it keeps getting looked over. The Yankees are all-stars, yes. But they are human beings, not some baseball playing androids. And because they are human beings I believe they still deserve respect for how far they got. I mean look at their season, they started off TERRIBLY. If you spoke to anybody besides a diehard yankees fan, they would have laughed directly into your face if you said they were going to reach the playoffs. The bounced back and rose about everybody else, including the Red Sox, to take the division. Now if they had been swept in the first round in the playoffs, then I could sympathize with any sour feelings. But not when they fought as hard as they did. I happened to AGREE with you on something, yes you actually did say something intelligent. The Braves did struggle through a season full of injuries, but they had Chipper and Andruw and STILL lost. With so many division titles these guys should have more to show for it, but they don't. Hence, a dissappointment. Yankees have won a few world series titles, but the Braves, in recent history, has only won once. The Yankees don't deserve the title of a "dissappointment" because they were world champions a few times. If my baseball team brought home three or four World Series titles, I'd cut the guys a little more slack. But the Braves, as heroic as their struggle was, has come up short too many times. They are a good team, and I know I didn't say this before but they also deserve respect. But my label of "dissappointment" remains on the Atlanta Braves. As for the Packers statement, these guys needed to win a game just so they wouldn't collapse into utter insanity. And as for the briefness of the statement, it was late and there really wasn't much else to add to it. They still have yet to prove that they're back into actual contention, defeating the Saints that badly doesn't prove a thing to me. To ME they are still a 1-4 team that lost to both the Lions and the Browns. Look, I didn't intend for this to turn into childish insults. I expected adults to talk sports, but I guess that's too much for me to ask of some people. If you found anything I said insulting, just remember that I'm not the hothead who's full of himself. If you want to talk sports, talk with SOME civilized manner. And just remember, your arrogance and confidence in your own opinion isn't going to faze me in the least. I'm not going anywhere, deal with it. One more thing, I hope you reply to all of my sports postings. Keep the hate coming.
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System 9 years 1 month ago Posts: 74809	WARLORD1863 wrote: One more thing, I hope you reply to all of my sports postings. Keep the hate coming. I plan on it. I'm not trying to hate on you, I just noticed some inconsistencies and questionable comments, so i called you out on it. Just trying to liven things up a little. I should have left out the last part, I enjoy reading other people's opinions about sports too. Keep the sports talk coming. As for the tuck rule: wrote: The officials, after a replay review, said that the applicable rule was Rule 3 (“Definitions”), Section 21 (“Pass and Passer”), Article 2, Note 2 of the official NFL rules. That rule states the following: "When a Team A player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his hand starts a forward pass, even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his body. Also, if a player has tucked the ball into his body and then loses possession, it is a fumble. I only saw the Redskins play once and not in great detail, so I won't comment on that specifically. However, during the most famous tuck rule call (Brady in the snow in '01) his arm was "moving forward after starting a forward pass, and he was attempting to tuck it back in toward his body." I did not recognize the second part, where "if a player has tucked the ball into his body and then loses possession, it is a fumble." I guess that is what happened in the Skins game. Also, the average MLB team that makes the playoffs every year should win every 8 years, or twice every 16 years. The Braves have won once in the past 14 years, making the playoffs every year. I'd give them two more years until I'd call them a disappointment. But I would call the Yankees a bigger disappointment than the Braves because the Yankees were most experts' preseason pick to win the World Series. They added the Big Unit, Tony Womack, Carl Pavano, and Jaret Wright and should have been headed deep into the playoffs. Sure, they started out slow, but that not be an excuse. That should make them an even bigger disappointment in my opinion. And if it wasnt for the Red Sox and Indians collapsing down the stretch, the Yankees would not have even made the playoffs. I wouldnt give credit to Joe Torre and Co. for the failure of other teams. I know, the Yankees beat the Sox in the final series of the season, but the Yankees had already virtually clinched a playoff spot by then, and the Indians had fallen completely out of the race.

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nippythefish 9 years 1 month ago Posts: 2713 Globally Banned	Who else plays fantasy sports? I've been addicted to them for the past five years or so....I play NFL, NBA, MLB and NHL. I have the best damn fantasy NFL team I've ever seen this year: QB C. Palmer (Cin - QB) WR S. Smith (Car - WR) WR K. McCardell (SD - WR) WR Ro. Smith (Den - WR) RB S. Alexander (Sea - RB) RB C. Martin (NYJ - RB) TE J. Shockey (NYG - TE) BN D. McNabb (Phi - QB) BN T. Owens (Phi - WR) BN K. Mangum (Car - TE) BN J. Bettis (Pit - RB) K N. Kaeding (SD - K) BN J. Elam (Den - K) DEF Indianapolis (Ind - DEF) BN Chicago (Chi - DEF)

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WARLORD1863 9 years 1 month ago Posts: 518	Woah, Oaf I don't know what to say. It's like a complete 180 from the way you posted before. See this is exactly the kind of sports talk I wanted to generate. If you see something that you feel is wrong about what I said then discuss it, like you did in your second posting. Now we're getting somewhere! I apologize for the insulting comments I made, I was a bit urked by such a hostile posting when all I was trying to do was start up civilized discussion. I'm glad we can talk sports. Yes you are correct, Plummer attempted to pull the ball back into his body after a pump fake but before it reached his body it fell from his hand. The ball had to reach his body before it can be called a fumble. But when you see the replay, even if it were to have happened Brunell on the Skins I would have still called it a bad rule. I just remembered last season when the Yankees fell to the Red Sox in the playoffs, after taking 3 games in a row to start things off. THAT to me is a dissappointment. Not that the team itself is a dissappointment, but at that moment their performance collapsed faster than the French defenses during World War II. I'm not a yankees fan nor a red sox fan, I couldn't care in the least who won. But even I was dissappointed in their performance. All I have to say about the Braves is that they better pull off a world series win soon, their team isn't getting any younger. Granted, their younger guys did shock the country when they pulled off the wins without the big stars. But how long can Chipper stay in the game? Even though I'm a fan of a team inside their division, I'd want them to win at least one more world series before falling apart. Atlanta deserves that much for the loyalty. Again, I apologize for my insulting comments before. No hard feelings.
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WARLORD1863 9 years 1 month ago Posts: 518	nippythefish wrote: QB C. Palmer (Cin - QB) WR S. Smith (Car - WR) WR Ro. Smith (Den - WR) RB S. Alexander (Sea - RB) RB C. Martin (NYJ - RB) TE J. Shockey (NYG - TE) BN D. McNabb (Phi - QB) BN T. Owens (Phi - WR) BN K. Mangum (Car - TE) BN J. Bettis (Pit - RB) DEF Indianapolis (Ind - DEF) You have some pretty nice picks. With Bettis back in, you'll be raking in the points in no time. Especially now that Batch starts for the Steelers this coming week, they might not be too keen on the throwing game and might rely a lot on Bettis. Shaun Alexander and Shockey are good picks too, and good going with the Colts defense, they're doing great so far. I've got Matt Hasselbeck as my QB, with Steven Jackson and Warrick Dunn as RBs. Steve Smith, Reggie Wayne, and Marvin Harrison are my WRs. Backed up by Tampa's defense and Deltha O'Neal as my main defender. I DID have Cullpepper as my QB, but his poor performance convinced me to look elsewhere. I should have snagged Eli Manning when I had the chance.
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Derrick 9 years 1 month ago Posts: 581	I'm currently unbeaten with this team: QB: Kerry Collins RB: L. T. RB: Julius Jones WR: T.Holt WR: L. Fitzgerald WR: D. Branch TE: L.J. Smith DEF: Bengals K: Kasay Bench: A.Lelie, N. Burleson, W.Dunn, L.Jordan, F.Taylor Somehow I'm winning even though a few guys are underachieving.
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System 9 years 1 month ago Posts: 74809	nippythefish wrote: QB C. Palmer (Cin - QB) WR S. Smith (Car - WR) WR K. McCardell (SD - WR) WR Ro. Smith (Den - WR) RB S. Alexander (Sea - RB) RB C. Martin (NYJ - RB) TE J. Shockey (NYG - TE) ETC...... let me guess, you're in a 5 team league. there's no way you get Alexander, McNabb, TO, Palmer, Curtis Martin, and Steve Smith in a 10 or 12 team league, unless you're playing in a league with mentally challenged two year olds. honestly Warlord, I noticed a complete 180 from you too after your second post, which impressed me a bit. I didnt expect such good backups to your original statements. I look forward to more sports posts from you, no hard feelings man. nobody will stop the Cardinals this year. i think they'll win each series in 5 games, beating the Angels in the World Series

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WARLORD1863 9 years 1 month ago Posts: 518	Did you guys see the ending to the White Sox vs. Angels game? Every time I see the reply I wonder if the ball hit the dirt first or not. But regardless, it was THAT call that helped the White Sox win game 2. If that had happened earlier in the game, very little attention would have been brought to it. But because it was the bottom of the 9th with 2 outs, and the fact that the very next batter hit a run-scoring double, is why the media is going to play this one moment out until we're all sick to death of it. For those who saw the replays, does it look like the ball hit the ground before hitting the glove? And what about the hand motions from the umpire? Consistently through the game the home plate umpire made the same hand motion. He threw his hand outwards, to signal a missed swing, and clenched brought up a clenched fist towards his face, to signal strike 3. But to the Angels, that clenched fist is the signal of an out, which would have been the final out of the inning. I can see how this can be confusing because the same clenched fist towards the face motion is used for calling an out. However, in the event of a dropped 3rd strike, the tag that usually follows would result in a SECOND clenched fist towards the face. So how does someone know that the 3rd strike dropped? Well usually a catcher could tell on his own, I mean he does catch the ball and has a better view than the homeplate umpire. But looking at the replay, this is one of those rare moments when it's hard to distinguish between a catch and a dropped catch. So what should happen? Should there be a rule that an umpire must state that the ball was dropped? Should there be a separate hand motion? You decide, let's see what you all think.
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nippythefish 9 years 1 month ago Posts: 2713 Globally Banned	oaf wrote: nippythefish wrote: QB C. Palmer (Cin - QB) WR S. Smith (Car - WR) WR K. McCardell (SD - WR) WR Ro. Smith (Den - WR) RB S. Alexander (Sea - RB) RB C. Martin (NYJ - RB) TE J. Shockey (NYG - TE) ETC...... let me guess, you're in a 5 team league. there's no way you get Alexander, McNabb, TO, Palmer, Curtis Martin, and Steve Smith in a 10 or 12 team league, unless you're playing in a league with mentally challenged two year olds. Heh...yeah, I know....I was surprised too. I'm not though...I'm in a 10 team public Yahoo league. Autopick draft, too. Obviously not a winner's league...there's no way I'd draft that well in a winner's league. This is my first year playing outside of a private league I used to do...I'm no longer affiliated with those people. Anyway, the crazy thing is...I actually lost the first week, by one point....and my point total for the season is 118 points more than the guy in second place. Here's the link for my league: http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/52560

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nippythefish 9 years 1 month ago Posts: 2713 Globally Banned	I just drafted my basketball team...pretty happy with the results: PG A. Iverson (Phi - PG) SG L. Hughes (Cle - SG) G B. Davis (GS - PG) SF J. Johnson (Atl - GF) PF E. Griffin (Min - F) F J. Childress (Atl - GF) C J. Magloire (NOK - C) C J. Przybilla (Por - C) Util M. Redd (Mil - SG) Util R. Hamilton (Det - SG) BN S. Battier (Mem - SF) BN B. Knight (Cha - PG) BN N. Krstic (NJ - FC)

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System 9 years 1 month ago Posts: 74809	My undefeated football team in the 10 team Yahoo winners league is: QB: Donovan McNabb, Michael Vick RB: Ladainian Tomlinson, Ahman Green, Thomas Jones WR: Keenan McCardell, Steve Smith, Andre Johnson, Joe Jurevicius (just picked up, used to have Darrell Jackson) TE: C. Anderson and S. Heiden K: Carney and Janikowski DEF: Jets and Steelers So far I'm 5-0 with 525.5 points second place is 4-1 with 375 third place is 3-2 with 449 everyone else is terrible.... i think im in good shape, as long as Andre Johnson and Ahman Green break out of their slumps

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System 9 years 1 month ago Posts: 74809	WARLORD1863 wrote: Did you guys see the ending to the White Sox vs. Angels game?. I'm going to sleep, so I'll talk about this tomorrow, but here's the transcript from the interview with the Ump http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051013&content_id=1248409&vkey=ps2005news&fext=.jsp wrote: Q. Do you still stand by your call? DOUG EDDINGS: Yes, I do. We saw a couple different angles, and if you watch it, the ball changes direction, so I don't see how you guys can say it's clearly a caught ball. RICH REIKER: We've looked at it in the truck. We've blown it up. I'm sure some of you have seen that angle. We have some technology, and Jerry Crawford saw it, also, the whole crew, and there was definitely a change in direction there. At this point I would say at best it's inconclusive. I wouldn't totally agree that the ball was caught, but there was a change in direction there that we saw and the replay is available to us.

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Derrick 9 years 1 month ago Posts: 581	Alotta things happened on that play. Josh Paul clearly caught the ball and it didnt touch the ground. The ump said it was strike three, but it touched the ground, giving the batter a chance to run to first if the catcher doesnt tag him. But Paul didnt think he needed to tag him because he thought he caught it, and rightfully so. Heads up play by AJ and I'll tell you why. Last year when AJ was with the Giants, they played the Red Sox here in SF. It was the same game where Jason Schmidt pitched the 1 hitter. Bronson Arroyo was at the plate and swung through strike 3 but the ball hit the dirt. AJ caught it but didnt tag Arroyo, who was already headed to the dugout. The Red Sox guys on the bench screamed at him to run to first, which he did and was called safe. So after last nights game AJ told this to Jon Miller, who is also the Giants broadcaster, saying he never forgot what happened last year. So he's probably the only person who would figure to run to first on something like that. So bad call by the ump. Replay after replay shows the ball was caught. Heads up play by AJ and of course, that wasnt the final blow or anything. Joe Crede still got that game winning hit and if he pops out or something no ones talking about this. So that brings whole notion of instant replay. Good or bad?
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System 9 years 1 month ago Posts: 74809	Derrick wrote: Alotta things happened on that play. Josh Paul clearly caught the ball and it didnt touch the ground. The ump said it was strike three, but it touched the ground, giving the batter a chance to run to first if the catcher doesnt tag him. So that brings whole notion of instant replay. Good or bad? First of all, I dont think you can clearly see it at all. There is no camera angle that shows what happens after the glove is closed. It looked to me like he caught it, but it's definitely not a 100% sure thing. Instant replay is not good for baseball. Umpires are part of the game, as they have been for over 100 years. If the umpires do a terrible job one night, it's part of the game. However, if umpires continuously do poorly, replay has to be considered. For the most part the umps do a great job, and they should be the ones making the calls.

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WARLORD1863 9 years 1 month ago Posts: 518	The problem, as the Angels see it, is not the possibility of the ball hitting the ground or not. It's the hand motion the home plate umpire made afterwards. The raised fist, to them, signaled the final out. But in reality, it was just to signal strike 3. There was, and is, no hand motion to let everyone know the play was still alive. The REAL question is, should a separate hand motion be established for when the ball hits the ground on the 3rd strike? Should the umpire say anything to let everybody know that a play could still be made? Like I said in my previous post, more than likely the catcher can determine if the ball hit the ground or not and make the tag. But for these rare moments, should there be something put in place? Like yelling, "Dropped Ball!" or a downward hand motion to signal the drop?
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nippythefish 9 years 1 month ago Posts: 2713 Globally Banned	oaf wrote: My undefeated football team in the 10 team Yahoo winners league is: QB: Donovan McNabb, Michael Vick RB: Ladainian Tomlinson, Ahman Green, Thomas Jones WR: Keenan McCardell, Steve Smith, Andre Johnson, Joe Jurevicius (just picked up, used to have Darrell Jackson) TE: C. Anderson and S. Heiden K: Carney and Janikowski DEF: Jets and Steelers So far I'm 5-0 with 525.5 points second place is 4-1 with 375 third place is 3-2 with 449 everyone else is terrible.... i think im in good shape, as long as Andre Johnson and Ahman Green break out of their slumps You got the link to your league?

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