Anime doesn't bother me as much as Sponge Bob Square Pants does. No I'm not a religious fanatic. I don't think that Sponge Bob is fit for anyone to watch muchless a little kid.
But Spongebob can be funny. Like Fairly Oddparents, it's so stupid it's funny, but if forced to watch either, I'd choose FoP.
Not to me it isn't. Nothing about Sponge Bob is funny to me. I'm put off by Nick Jr on CBS that now I absolutely refuse to watch CBS on Saturdays. It used to be that CBS had its own Saturday morning line up and they sold out to Nickelodeon and all because it's cheaper in the long run for CBS to run it's baby bullshit on Saturday mornings than it is to run their own Saturday line up. Same with ABC, NBC, and Fox. They're all running such garbage on their networks because it's cheaper for them.
flamepanther, you've made some great posts in this thread. I just thought I'd drop in and say that.
Honestly, I barely watch any cartoons that were made in the past three or four years. The most recent cartoons I've seen and liked are Aqua Teen Hunger Force and-- dare I say it? Spongebob. I don't care what you guys say, that shit is hilarious.
a lot of the new cartoons are more into the fantastical stuff. Fake animals that have special powers, alternate universes, "cool" digital gadjets for the boys
Yeah, lets go back to the days of He-Man, Thundercats, Popples, Voltron, The Wuzzles, Pole Position, Laser Tag Academy, Jem, Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors, Dungeons & Dragons, Wildfire, Conan the Adventurer, and MASK when we had absolutely none of that crap.
...oh wait. We had metric a**tons of it. And yes, I know Jem had technical gadgets for girls, but I think it still counts.
I hate to double post, but I'm leaving for awhile tomorrow and won't be back on until at least Monday, so here's the final part of may long and crazy rant about modern cartoon shows.
New(ish) cartoons that I think are good. Here's a short list of just my favorites, whether they're for kids or not... Avatar, The Batman (not as good as Batman: The Animated Series, but still good), The Boondocks, Fullmetal Alchemist, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, Justice League Unlimited, Megas XLR, TMNT, The Venture Brothers. That's only counting shows that have been on in the last two years, and not counting all the anime that I won't watch on U.S. television becuase of the cutting and bad dubs (DVDs and fansubs for me!), or the list would be considerably longer. That's a lot of very good cartoons.
Finally, a huge "thank you!" to the person who mentioned Avatar a few pages back. This is in my opinion the best American-created animated series ever thus far. That's some high praise, and I'm giving it after having started with a bias against the show. I usually hate Western cartoons or comics that try to look Japanese (that means you, Teen Titans and Totally Spies!), so I was convinced that I would not like this show. Despite my prejudice, it now tops my list of all-time greats. The writing is as good as or better than any other American cartoon I've seen. It ranges from light-hearted comedy and adventure to smart, deep and sincere. When it tries to be funny, it never fails to bring laughter to the room. When it needs to be dramatic, the tension is always high. The dialogue is both natural and witty. The characters are both likeable and deep (especially Zuko). The story is epic. The episodes have moral lessons for young viewers, ranging from warnings against sexism, to the importance of humility, to the importance of not letting your feelings blind your thinking--yet it does all this in a way that enriches the story and characters rather than feeling preachy or tacked-on. The stories are accessible for children, but smart enough for adults. Oh, and did I mention the animation? Absolutely stunning. Nearly all of the animation from the third episode onward is nothing but top-notch. On top of all that, the series has a cultural advisor, a PhD level expert on Chinese calligraphy, and a martial arts avisor who gave the key animation staff lessons in multiple martial arts so they could get the moves just right when animating them. It just doesn't get better than that. "Avatar: The Last Airbender" on its own is enough to make the notion that "today's cartoons suck" look ridiculous. In all my years of following animation I have never seen anything quite like it.
I wish some TV station, would bring back all the cartoons from the 70s ,80s and 90s era. it could play all the cartoons back in the days which we all missed or another alternative could be to have collections of all these compilations of cartoons on DVD or something.
Its a shame that some of the cartoons i mention to the younger generations have barely or haven't even heard of these cartoons. nowadays, i see some going crazy over pokemon and spongebob which is an okay cartoon for me since it is on nick. cartoons now have changed or evolved, we have cartoons that are somewhat controversial or are geared towards adults but also teens who watch them, such as family guy and south park which are alright also.. i also watch them but still like the cartoons back in the days much more. Some are also 3d ish which i never really got used to, except maybe for Toy story or Polar express which was pretty cool.
Although most people here where i am located seem to love the dragonballz series which is pretty cool & retro, they still keep that on TV.
I agree with you flamepanther i also enjoyed the batman version from the 90's i actually have a collection of episodes on DVD of the first season. it is awesome!! no questions asked, also enjoyed watching TMNT as a kid.
where i am..you can buy cheap DVDs, its pirated but they have some classic cartoons like batman the animated series and Garfield collections.
Luckily, more and more of those old cartoons ARE coming to DVD!
Definetely one of the great things about now is how all the old ones are coming to DVD and the new ones are immediatly released as soon as the season is done. Its the golden era of the preservation of animated shows.
I think this topic died somewhere ( I don't log into this site as often as I probably should) ...but Imma revive it...
Anyhoo..FlamePanther, my first commentary to you. Bravo! Many excellent and well written points made and very lengthy as well (not often seen online...). I agree with a lot of what you've said.
Now on to my own thing here. I disagree with whomever said that they went back and watched their old favorites and didn't like them as an adult. I still love my old favorites, even now at 20 years old. Shows like Gummi Bears and Pirates of Dark Water and Garfield still amuse the hell out of me.
As for Nickelodeon (I'm sure I spelled that wrong...) I really don't like anything there anymore with a few minor exceptions. I do like Avatar, Danny Phantom, and Fairly Odd Parents as well as Nick at Nite, but other than that I think it's full of really bad shows...not all of them are excruciatingly bad, but some are. I cannot STAND Spongebob at all, I don't care who says it's funny. I've seen episodes and I hate it.
I miss the days when Nick would show things like Rocco's Modern Life and Aah! Real Monsters...now those were shows!
Cartoon Network isn't much better. There are things I love to watch, even if they are watered down, cut up and dubbed all to hell. I watch Inuyasha, Full Metal Alchemist, Naruto, and the like. I miss Ronin Warriors and Gundam Wing...I also watch things like Courage the Cowardly Dog...but I think shows like Ed, Edd, and Eddy leave a lot to be desired.
I don't mind that the animation is funky, that's no problem for me, I hate the dialogue and the story lines...I find that show crude and disgusting and things like that don't amuse me.
*sigh* If only I had boomerang and I could watch at least some of my old favorites...
Anyway...I can't think of anything else to say right now and I'm missing Charmed (hey, there's a lot to be said for non animation as well!).
I'm new here. This thread interests me. There's plenty to love and plenty to avoid as far as recent animation goes. High points for me include: Aqua Teen Hunger Force, Invader ZIM, the first few seasons of Ed, Edd & Eddy, Daria before it re-aired on Noggin and was unmercifully edited. Trippin' the Rift was cool. Anyone watch that? These are for the most part adult-oriented shows, which stands to reason. I'm 21. I also watch anime. Standouts in that category include Cowboy Bebop, Serial Experiments Lain, The Rurouni Kenshin OVA specials and Rah-Xephon. I don't watch anime that's broadcasted on TV unless it is on Encore: Action! Even then some of that stuff is sub-par anime cough*BubblegumCrisis2040*cough*cough
There are some low points as well but I can only speak objectively on things I've actually watched. So there's not much I can say about recently Nickelodeon shows except a few that I've happened to glance at. I didn't really care for the Fairly OddParents since it reminded me of a Dexter's Laboratory knock-off. (I liked Val-Halen from the Justice Friends...Crunk smash!) I couldn't sit through more than a few eps. of Spongebob Squarepants for the simple fact that his voice acting was atrocious. And for reasons listed earlier in the thread, Jimmy Neutron was scientifically inaccurate to an extreme degree even for a child's show. I also can't really bash some of the seemingly mass-market anime such as Naruto and Pokemon since I was older than the target demographic when that stuff hit the states.
The only newer cartoons I like are Danny Phantom, Spongebob, Jimmy Neutron, and Fairly Oddparents. And guess what, Nick's cancelling all of them, the only good shows they have left(well, I hear that Avatar show is good, but I've never seen it). Other than those I love King of the Hill and Family Guy.
Like the ones about Super Heros like Spider Man and Superman and Batman, but some suck like some of that anime stuff that they are spewing out. I don't think everything that is bad that is anime, but it's just too much. I like shows like the Fairly Odd parents and Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy. I think cartoons should be funny, but I think you should learn a little too like they had with Animaniacs, they had some great songs especially one that taught people the capitals of the United States. Not just complete silliness. It should have some cleverness, like you think the writers really put some work into this.