The Goth and The Glory

A look back at those pasty-faced folks in black that once roamed the Earth


I can honestly say I've never met a Goth I didn't like. I may not fully understand it, but I have no negative feelings about those who participate in the lifestyle. In fact, my Goth buddies were great people who just had crappy parents-that's the connection I found between them all. Not enough love + a penchant for dark eyeliner = Goth. Sure I'm generalizing, but this is the Goth world as I experienced it.

My focus today is remembering the phenomenon known as "Going Goth" which started in the late 70's & 80's, but really flourished in the late 90's. I've done the research of the history and it's all debatable, so I've decided to share my memories of the movement in relation to the entertainment world and pop culture.

If I was writing my own "Gothistory" I would start with a movement called Horror Punk and the granddaddy of them all The Misfits featuring Glenn Danzig on vocals. The Misfits was a New Jersey punk band that came onto the scene in 1977 and was for all intents and purposes "dead" by 1983.

With song titles like "Death Comes Ripping", "Mommy, Can I Go Out and Kill Tonight?" and "Die, Die, Die My Darling" their dark lyrics of death and destruction excited their devoted fans called the Fiend Club.

It was the visual appearance of The Misfits that really cemented their place in the Gothistory. Danzig was known to wear a skeleton bone body suit or at least skeleton gloves on stage, but rarely any make-up. Bassist Jerry Only wore black circles around his eyes, while guitarist Doyle Wolfgang Von Frankenstein washed out his face with white makeup and both of the brothers wore the signature "Devilock" hairstyle.

Though The Misfits promoted a much more violent attitude than most Goth folks of later years adhered to, their extreme fashion choices paved the way for the often ghoulish sense of style that permeated Goth culture.

Though the band broke up in 1983, eventually The Misfits were "resurrected" in 1996 without Danzig as simply Misfits (no, "The"). Original band members Doyle and Jerry headed the group and vocalist Michale Graves brought an even more extreme image to the band often wearing full skeletal face paint and extremely long bangs in addition to skeleton shirts, etc., though this would probably be considered less Goth and more Horror. I just love the Misfits, Goth or not-they rock!

During most of the 80's Goth remained an underground movement in Europe, mostly in the music scene of various countries. It wasn't until the mid 90's that pop culture started to pick up on the idea and Hollywood brought some Goth ideas out of the shadows.

Director Tim Burton brought a lot of Goth style to his films like Edward Scissorhands in 1990 and the stop motion animated classic The Nightmare Before Christmas in 1993. All the Goth folks I know love this movie!

This seems like as good a place as any to talk about "Bats Day at Disneyland". For quite a few years now, one weekend a year at Disneyland is designated for the Goth people of the world to congregate at the happiest place on earth.

I originally stumbled upon this about 4 years ago on a random visit to the park. Upon entering I began to notice that there were a lot more pale people in black wandering around than usual. It has become one of my favorite events for "People Watching". The fashion on display is amazing and you are likely to find scenes like the one below:

I highly recommend looking online for the scheduled date, usually it's the weekend before Labor Day, but this year (2008) they are doing Mini-Bats day from November 8th-9th and doing a much larger scale invasion in May of 2009. Check it out. Now back to the Gothistory lesson at hand.

Neil Gaiman introduced two very popular Goth comic book characters named Morpheus and his sister, Death in a book called Sandman for DC Comics Vertigo line. The series ran during the heydey of the Goth scene from 1989-1996.

In 1994 a Goth action hero was introduced to the world in the film The Crow starring the late Brandon Lee. Basically a musician and his girlfriend are murdered, but the musician is brought back as a white and black faced hero to avenge their deaths.

Based on a Goth comic book, this was a defining film of the 90's and definitely led to a rise in the popularity of the dark clothes and pale skin look. It may have also led to a rise in taking ravens and crows in as pets by people looking for spiritual guidance, but I can neither confirm nor deny that.

Goth fashion eventually spilled over into the world of professional wrestling as formerly flat topped, neon face-painted wrestler Sting took on a Crow-like persona and began hiding in the shadows before matches.

In 1996 film, The Craft, Fairuza Balk made a Goth turn as the head of a coven of female witches. It can be said that this was more an image of evil look, than an attempt to be goth.

This would be a good place to point out that despite the macabre appearances, Witchcraft isn't necessarily an element in the Goth lifestyle as far as I know, although I'm sure that is a common misconception.

Robert Smith of the Gothic Rock band The Cure cultivated the gloomy introspective side of the Goth ideal. Songs like "Friday I'm In Love" were performed with desperate, almost sobbing vocals and moody keyboard tones.

Smith also supported the fashion side of things with heavily sculpted hair, dark clothes and pale skin. Robert Smith may have also served as an inspiration for our next entry in Gothistory, this time coming to us "Live from New York..."

By the late 90's a larger portion of youth culture was embracing the Goth look and attitude. You couldn't walk through a mall or your school campus and not see at least one guy in a trenchcoat and make-up or a girl in dark dresses and striped stockings.

Saturday Night Live performers Chris Kattan and Molly Shannon decided to spoof the growing movement in a series of hilarious skits called Goth Talk. Basically like Wayne's World with more make-up.

Kattan took on the persona Azrael Abyss, Prince of Sorrows and Shannon was Circe Nightshade. The main topics of discussion were always dark and mournful with Azrael talking in a whiny voice about his day job working at Cinnabon. Usually the show would be interrupted by a rowdy visit from Azrael's meathead brother, Glenn who would taunt him for wearing make-up.

Though funny, the skits actually brought up an interesting point about the Goth culture and its commercialization. You see, being Goth is not like being Swedish, it's a choice. No one can honestly say, "I was born Goth, this is who I am", there is no Nation of Goth (anymore). To a certain degree Goths are Posers, but so is everybody else. Really any devoted fan of Heavy Metal, or Star Wars or Soccer is just using these forms of entertainment as a way of identifying themselves (my opinion, of course). I noticed this mostly with the Goth kids I knew in High School.

A perfect example is my buddy Bobak. He was Persian, not Goth (although come to think of it there is no Nation of Persia anymore either, hmmm?) and he knew it.

But he wore the trench coats and dressed in all black with really wild hairstyles. Bobak loved to talk about the funny side of death. For example, when he would eat a hamburger he would hold it up like a puppet and say, "I used to be alive". Stuff like that.

Then there was Lily and Mae-Mae, two Chinese twins that were the Princesses of the Dark. They always had their long, black velvet dresses and fishnet stockings on when they arrived for the school day. What was funny to me was that for them it was just fashion, they were very bubbly and sweet-they just looked somber and disturbed with their dark eye-liner and blood red lipstick.

On a side note: One day I got to school early and so did the twins, but they were arguing. All of the sudden they were slapping each other and swinging patent leather purses like Maces. A Goth catfight with twins-it was very surreal.

Finally there was Erica and Kelley, who actually were somber and disturbed. They were always telling me how terrible their home life was and talking about sick stuff during class just to get a rise out of me. Their idea of the Goth look was less Victorian and more MANSON!

Dark eyeliner, light foundation and Manson shirts. Yes, Marilyn Manson was their main man, although I'm never sure if Goth folks take offense to Manson being identified with them. Sure he had the pale make-up and dark persona, but I've always felt like he was kind of off in his own little category. At the height of his popularity he was probably considered King of the Goths by the concerned parents of the world though.

Erica and Kelley were in actuality Posers as was soon evidenced in the changing wind of society's fringe groups and what was considered "underground". The Goth side of life faded out of popular culture by late 1999 and gave way to a new fad: The Raver.

Those girls jumped off the Marilyn Manson bandwagon so fast it was ridiculous. Within a week they had switched to wearing giant pants and pacifiers, with no sign of their past identities. But it wasn't just those two, soon all of the darkness was being replaced by rainbow colored visors and glowsticks. Not an Azrael Abyss to be found anywhere.

At least we'll always have Bats Day. Oh and if you are wondering if I was ever Goth myself, the answer is sadly: No. The closest I ever got was my time as lead singer for my high school garage band, Natural Fear. I basically just grew my bangs out really long and wore a lot of black. But we were Heavy Metal and everybody at at school knew I was just a Poser.












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    JPHBK Posted 2 years 3 months ago
    Never really got the whole goth lifestyle. It was a bit too dark for my liking. I'm more of a positive person I suppose. I think there a lot of negative things that people associate with "goth", even if it may not apply in all cases. God bless.
    MagnaBeam Posted 4 years 2 months ago
    Very good article. I'm just a bit suprised that that some of the really fantastic 80s goth rock bands like Fields of The Nephilim, Bauhaus and Sisters of Mercy did'nt get a mention somewhere.
    grindcore fan Posted 4 years 7 months ago
    I hate poser goths, sorry. I just like beating the shit out of them.

    But I love real goths. In my, the girl I'm with right now is a goth but she hates Marilyn Manson and loves GRINDCORE!

    Great article!
    volkstraum Posted 4 years 8 months ago
    Goth, post-Misfits = Conforming to be different, for the sake of conformity
    LadyofSorrows Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    Okay, agreed, much better! :)

    One thing I'd like to say in closing, real Goths do not care if something is popular or not to belong. That being said, there are quite a few Goths out there. Many are "hidden" (for the same reasons I mentioned above). Goth is far from "dead" (even though we have a love of darkness, and focus an awful lot on the topic of Death). There are Goths working in all professions -- government included. Some are also high-level management, business owners -- you name it -- we are everywhere!
    Hoju Koolander Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    LadyofSorrows, thanks for for gracing this article your comments. It's great to have some legitimate insider info, as opposed to my silly observed opinions. Sorry about the name of the photo (is my face red), let's just re-write history, change the file name to "PHATbats" and use Chris Tucker's interpretation from "Money Talks": P.H.A.T. = Pretty Hot And Tempting. All better? Great!
    The Evolution Of Life Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    Goth was a popular cult back in the day.
    LadyofSorrows Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    To Venser734: I'll definitely agree with you on Emos being wussy! (LOL!) However, they aren't Goth, just like another group of people who wear a lot of black also are not Goth (Death Metalers).

    Anyway, I forgot to say in the above comment -- cool article. I gave it a thumbs up. It was fair to the Goth subculture. Yes, a lot of Goths are likeable :D After people get over our looks, they are quite comfortable around us. Nobody at my work is nervous around me, even though I try to stretch the "business casual" look at work, and often wear my beloved striped stockings, and also my pentacle. I'm a hard worker; that's all that matters.
    LadyofSorrows Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    Well, bless your heart for thinking that I'm part of youth culture. I'm almost 40 (just turned 39), and was 36 when that picture was taken -- Bat's Day 2005. It's not one of my better pictures (my face was down, making the angle look like I had a major double chin), but it's okay, I'm somewhat flattered (don't know about the name you chose for the picture, LOL!). I'll forgive ya, hahahaha. I've lost some weight since then, but I'm stuck with a round face, even if I starve myself.

    Anyway, off of that. Even though I wasn't a witch when that picture was taken (was agnostic), I am one now, and my friend was a witch then.

    However, you are correct, being Goth doesn't necessarily equate with paganism. I'd say there's an equal amount of pagans & agnostic/atheists in the scene. However, there is an equal amount of mid 20-early 30 something Goths & older Goths (those later 30's - mid 40's). We older Goths aren't as obvious because we have regular jobs during the day, therefore we blend in to make a living. We do, however have our own way of being Goth on the job, preferring to either a)always have black paired with whatever color we choose (usually darker colors), or b)dress more vintage, since it's accepted more in the corporate workplace.

    To further educate you, there are a good amount of Goth families -- ie where both the parents & the kids are Goth. In fact, I run a Goth parent Meetup where we have a regularly attending couple with two kids who are Goth.

    BTW, hi nerd girl!
    nerdgirl1 Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    This is especially amusing to me for 2 reasons.

    First, I'm 39 and have been "goth" since we were "death rockers" back in the early 80s. (My parents thought it was a phase!).

    Reason #2-- I am friends with the 2 women in the photo underneath the paragraph that begins, "By the late 90s..." The woman on the left in the red and black striped socks is the same age as me! In fact, we are a mere 3 hours apart in age (we were both born in August 1969). The woman on the right is a dj here in Orange County, California and has a goth radio show once a week called "The Black Cauldron". It can be found through MySpace at http://www.myspace.com/theblackcauldron or at the KUCI radio station at http://www.kuci.org/blackcauldron/

    :)
    ozma76 Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    Decent article. It didn't really start with the Misfits though. There were other death rock bands that were more influential such as Bauhaus, Christian Death, etc. Tossing the Cure in there is good, don't forget Siouxie and the Banshees!
    The 90's is when it started getting lame, when it became known as "goth".
    Don't get me started on "emo"! It's a misunderstood and completely misused term by the way...
    Anyway, it's good to see some articles that focus on music!
    RetroRickster923 Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    Goth is way cooler than Emos! Who's with me?!
    Backfromthedead Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    retarded emos. you ruined goth forever! and ever.
    Backfromthedead Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    this is a cool article. good job!
    Nostariel Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    Awesome article! Thumbs up! I've never been Goth but I knew some and yes most were just posers. However, the real Goths weren't all bad. As for Emos correct me if I'm wrong but I thought they originated from Punk? I agree with the others, most Emos I've met are real annoying.>.>
    JohnTitor Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    I can't stand Emo's, but I've always thought Goths were cool. (Not to mention Goth Girls... Hot...)

    Thanks for the article, very interesting. :)
    arachknight1979 Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    Once again, my name and Avatar do not appear on my comment. What the Hell!!!!!!!
    xlxxmasexxlx Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    The Halloween Before Christmas Must Be One Of My All Time Favorite Disney Movies. I Dont See Alot Of Goths More Emos But Then Again Arnt They the Same Thing?
    sweetpea Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    good article. i was a goth chick as a teen. black hair, pale skin (naturally, no make up required) black clothes on the weekends (i had to wear a uniform to school). though not a goth anymore (my daughter would be very embarrassed if i took her to school looking like that) my clothes are still on the darker side, my hair is still dark (though not black) and my skin is still pale (i just can't tan, i go straight to burn)
    Benjanime Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    i'm still a goth, ever since i was in middle school. this was a very interesting article, and it was awesome looking back at the culture. i just hope nobody else will get drawn in to the new dark fad on the block, the emo style
    asnaes1981 Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    Damn, those Chinese twins were HOT!
    Dzenan Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    I hate how people confuse Emos with Goths. Emos are idiots.
    Riphard Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    neil gaiman is the goths j.d. salinger.

    orginal concept.

    fuck the haters.
    Deleted Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    I was in the goth scene (believe it or not) and many of my friends still are. but I don't have the time for that sort of thing anymore.
    havokric Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    very nice article... interesting, well thought out, great pacing.. thumbs way up!
    Arcee23 Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    The Goth movement is still alive and well, you just need to go to Camden in London to see that.
    badfish Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    hot topic and marlyn manson ruined goth.
    theaven Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    I thought Goth Chicks were hot.
    retro_gamer_Zero Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    Yeah man. I am a goth kid, but i realy wish i coulda seen the Batcave goth club before it closed.

    great article!
    dg Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    I put thumbs up it was interesting knowing about the oldschool goths. You saw them in lots of films.
    jupi73r Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    i wondered where this article went..i posted a comment yesterday!
    Troma4life Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    This is a cool article. Stop complaining
    tbondrage99 Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    Goths are some funny people. I enjoy the look but don't care for the lifestyle. Great article though, I agree I don't know why it got so much hate its as good an article or better then most. Thumbs up from me.
    taciturnwes Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    Yeah man, what's up with the haters for this article?
    Hoju Koolander Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    Wow, there is some strange faction that banded together to banish this article to the back page. Are we that ashamed of Goth culture? Now I must make my counter strike to see that this article is given a second chance.
    taciturnwes Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    Very interesting article, when I was in high school I didn't really consider myself to be goth but I did wear all black all the time and also had long hair as well. I don't know, the makeup and fingernail painting aspect didn't really appeal to me. I think it was a subconcious desire to be paid attention to during a long period of angst and depression, looking back I kinda find it funny now. Thumbs up, and jupi73r, I don't think "progression of goths" is the right terminology to describe emos, "degradation..." would probably be a more fitting one.
    vladdt Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    It's cool, writing an article on them as we speak. Yeah, been listening to Bauhaus, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Big Electric Cat, Alien Sex Fiend, etc. forever now. Can't get enough.
    Hoju Koolander Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    Yo, vladdt-I came across Bauhaus in my research on the history of Goth, but I had never heard of them until that point so I decided I needed to focus on what I had experienced. For the record Bauhaus was hugely influential to the Goth scene-mostly in Europe, though.
    vladdt Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    Passable article, but I'd say Misfits are more so Horror Punk/Deathrock (which to be fair though, deathrock, was very similar to Gothic Rock), and, you forgot to mention, the Proto Goth Band, that were to Goth what Iggy and the Stooges were to Punk: Bauhaus!
    jupi73r Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    arnt emos just a natural progression of goths?
    Venser734 Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    "And now, we have emos"

    Or as I like to call them: Wussy goths.
    PaLaDiN91 Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    And now, we have emos.
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