Hair Metal vs. Grunge; Just Who Survived

Hair Metal and Grunge, two of the most powerful musical movements of the late 80s/early 90s, and yet neither remain prominent today....or do they?


Hair Metal was a fad. Even its most loyal fans couldn’t have ever expected the genre to continue in the mainstream, chart-topping format that it had held in 80’s America. It’s a well-known saying that too much of anything is bad for you and this was definitely true of the bands that had originally received fame on the LA circuit. Hair Metal was so in tune with the 80’s that even the bands who had hit the big time in that decade found it hard to even chart their material in the 90’s. An article in Q Magazine once said that its ‘readers’ taught Kurt Cobain’s greatest achievement was destroying Hair Metal. It seems that the ignorance of the Grunge era is not yet dead completely when we read this statement, because we wonder why the supposed readers had no time to take into account the changing political climate (the fall of the Soviet Union), the reinvention of MTV and Beavis and Butthead, an animated cartoon series about two college students who would sit on a couch and comment on the latest music videos, with their next door neighbour being portrayed as an uncool kid that wore a Winger T-Shirt! But I suppose if you were the kind of person who got down to a song like Poison’s ‘Nothing But a Good Time’ in 1988, you’d hardly have taken a fancy to Nirvana’s ‘Rape Me’ in 1992.

But we’re in 2005 now, and both decades have ended. And if you look around (and I mean look beyond the obvious), you’ll start noticing that Hair Metal is still there. The bands still release the albums, the groups still perform the tour and the records still ascend the charts. But try looking for Grunge. Try looking for Grunge past bands like Nickelback and Staind, past yet another Nirvana ‘Greatest Hits Compilation’ and you’ll start to notice something. Grunge is gone, Grunge is dead. Sure Grunge has helped influence some of the most successful rock groups of the late 90’s and early 00’s, but it hasn’t actually succeeded in doing what it was created to do, eliminating the bands with the big mullets and the leather pants. Some Hair Metal bands remerged from the woodwork in the mid 90’s, noticing that their biggest enemy had vanished and they were free to sell records again. In fact, while Nirvana fans may be so bold to claim that Cobain killed Hair Metal, music fans might admit that the real truth is simply that Cobain just stalled Hair Metal and actually killed Grunge (as well as himself!). Billy Corgan of the Smashing Pumpkins once said, ‘Kurt’s death seemed to take the wind out of everyone’s sails’ and in retrospect, perhaps this is the most truthful statement that has ever been made about Grunge.

But before we can examine why Hair Metal has seemed to survive Grunge, we must examine the truth behind why Hair Metal succeeded in becoming such a popular movement in the first place. The truth of the matter is that Hair Metal artists were serious musicians. Songs in the 80’s required more power to perform so there was more virtuoso. The 80’s were all about excelling to the next level, where as the 90’s seemed focused on self-pity and it became uncool to do nothing more then stand and play on stage. Now, I understand that Grunge fans will feel that this is an ignorant statement, but lets be fair, because asides from Alice in Chains who used odd time signatures to a creative effect, there wasn’t much going for Grunge. Take the example of when Def Leppard performed live unplugged on an American radio station, singing in harmony. The DJ said, ‘That was incredible’, to which Joe replied: ‘you must be a product of the nineties. There is nothing incredible about three guys singing in tune.’


The heart of the situation is that while hair metal is supposed to be facile, shallow, meaningless and sexist, Grunge purports to be earthy, real, emotional and genuine. This isn't the case. Sure, Kurt Cobain's anger against the world was genuine but then the bands that caused hair metal – Motley Crue, Def Leppard and Van Halen -- were also genuine rockers. Grunge became just as much a movement as hair metal: flannel shirts, unwashed hair, huge boots and forced misery were cashing in on the trend just as much as hair metal bands had done a few years previously, jumping the bandwagon just to make a fast one. However, unlike with the relatively harmless constant copying of Hair Metal, the copying of Grunge was a very negative thing because the view was that Grunge made it cool to be miserable; a trend that Metal and Rock is yet to recover from. Gavin Rossdale from the group Bush once commented in an interview at how Kurt's committing suicide had always struck him as ‘an immensely powerful thing.’ But in my opinion, anything that glamorises suicide is beyond negative; it's evil.

Hair Metal had a very positive musical effect. Songs such as ‘Youth Gone Wild’ were made about enjoying your life. Lets face it, there is too much misery in the world today as it is, so songs that celebrate the enjoyment of life should be cherished, and this is one of the main reasons that Hair Metal caught on with the generation of youth that it did. You realise after a while, though, that there's nothing very positive about unprotected sex and drug abuse, which Hair Metal also made sound cool. Let's not kid ourselves though: the Grungers were getting just as high and using just as many groupies; at least Hair Metal didn't pretend to be anything other than sexist. If Grunge did get people down and make them depressed then it has a lot to answer for. On the other hand, did Grunge depress people or did it simply reflect the gloom of the 90’s that already existed?

But what was it that made Grunge so damn miserable as opposed to the happy upbeat tunes of Hair Metal? Well, it all started where nearly every story starts, at the beginning. It starts with Grunge’s roots. Grunge was born in Seattle in 1989, and at that time Seattle had little to distinguish itself from the rest of the country. Seattle was an isolated city that was tucked away in a corner of America that is seldom visited by few. What remains then is a city that retains all the traits of a hometown country village, without ever having actually been one. Many of the people I have talked to who have visited Seattle have claimed that they would only ever want to live in Seattle if they could live in any city in America, because they feel the home-grown nature of the city. The thing that Seattle had retained in all this that other big cities had lost was an inner self-belief in itself. Whereas LA had been the birthplace of Hair Metal simply because of one bands originality from the club scene there, Seattle had grown up together and the bands that played there had been doing so well before Hair Metal had ever begun. In fact, some of the bands still play their music there now, content in the fact that it is as they want it to be. Seattle groups all listened to the same groups and therefore their thinking was unilateral. However, LA had money, whereas Seattle had none, and the Grunge scene escalated into nothing more then a fantasy until the late 80’s when record label Sub Pop began and signed what were to become the first wave of Grunge bands, with artists such as Mother Love Bone, Green River and The Melvin’s.

However, that should have meant that money flowed into Seattle once there was enough of a Grunge movement to encourage a substantial following, but no. The answer was because of the Grunge philosophy. In Grunge, success equalled failure, which obviously caused some problems. The general idea is that if you’re popular, then you’re an awful band and if you’re mainstream then you should be shot. This ridiculous thinking had come from the years and years previous when the bands in Seattle couldn’t get signed to record labels and therefore grew a strong hatred for them. When the Grunge movement finally did start, there was no revised plan and their original Seattle fans spit upon bands like Nirvana because they had ‘sold out’. If you are in a band then you have to face the fact that when the record label signs you, you will not have 100% creative control. You can write the best song in the world, but if the label doesn’t approve then it doesn’t go on the album unless you fund the project from your own pocket, which you cant do if you have just been signed. Therefore, while Grunge spouted all this anti corporate rubbish it was all a bunch of crap when you consider that the only way the bands would have gotten to be in the position of power they were in, in the first place was if they had signed a major label deal! When Alice in Chains split in 1996 for example it was claimed that it was because of their hatred of the music industry, when it fact it was because Layne Staley was addicted to heroin. Because of all this, Grunge was self-destructive to begin with. It was impossible for Grunge to over ground without destroying its original values.

These days, there are bands like Machine Head who attract a small constant following and flourish for years because of it and even though they are signed to a major label they haven’t sold out to their ideas, but Grunge was a little more difficult to remain both loyal to and gain success from. On the other hand, Hair Metal is, in the words of Joe Perry, ‘just American rock & roll taken to the extreme. It has no problem with capitalism, profiteering, decadence, excess, or money’. So it fits right in for hair metal bands to sell millions of records and make millions of pounds. In fact, that was the whole point!

Hair Metal was insane in some respects, because the recording budgets were huge and the albums were ‘polished’ (constantly mixed and edited for the right balance of all vocals and instruments) until the cows came home. So to be the complete opposite, Grunge chose to simply produce the albums for as little as possible (saving the money for heroin and such) and having raw production. In this respect, Grunge can be thanked for the increase in live recording albums, which almost tripled after the end of the Grunge revolution due to the fact that artists were shown the benefit of recording their concerts for release. So maybe we thank Grunge for making rock vocal again. Raw Production (as opposed to that horrible lo-fi production) can be quite amazing and can make it sound as if the artist has a voice for singing (remember that comment on Joe Elliot). On the other hand, the polished sounds of Def Leppard are a lot better then what sounds like 3 blokes in a bedroom performing, and the massive drum sounds of Motley Crue sound a lot better then what appears to be an angry man kicking some cardboard boxes around.


Finally, there is the fact that people listen to music they identify with. All the arguments against Hair Metal and against Grunge mean nothing at the end of the day. Hair Metal was over-produced; Grunge was just badly produced. Hair Metal bands looked ridiculous but so did Grungers. It's possible to bash either genre but Critics prefer Grunge and Critics think that there is such a thing as good taste and that coolness is dependent on having it. The fact that some segments of Grunge are still cool annoys me personally infinitely, as does the constant ridicule that Hair Metal gets and Grunge doesn't even though both genres are equally ridiculous for different reasons. But at the end of the day, I think people identified with Hair Metal, with the optimism, the happiness, the party spirit, the volume, the larger-than-life thing. People appreciated the overboard ness. It is entertainment for its own sake and doesn't pretend to have any deep meaning. Entertainment is very important, and people appreciated the fact that hair metal is nothing more than entertainment. It shouldn't be looked down upon for that. The point I am trying to make is that in music, everyone needs good upbeat songs all the time and this is why Hair Metal is still around and Grunge is not.
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    bonbright7 Posted 1 month 5 days ago
    The article was an interesting examination of both styles and how Grunge seemingly took over from Metal. I should note this happened in the height of broadcast mediums MTV and rock radio as they have also passed away in the Internet age.

    I had to laugh at the idea that elements of Grunge's base disdained their own bands once they became popular because they had "sold out". It sounds very much like the Hipster movement in NYC, which exhibits the same shallow characteristics. Funny enough, most bands in the Metal movement couldn't wait to "Sell Out" because it meant getting paid.

    I identified with Hair Metal because I grew up in with bands like Iron Maiden and Judas Priest blaring from my car stereo as I was going to school. Yes, it was fun for a long time, where as Grunge was fun for a week, and then I had work to do.
    pinkcupcake Posted 1 year 4 months ago
    i couldn't agree more with everything you said in your superb article! i am a child of the 80's and was a teenager in the 90's so i was around for both the hair metal and grunge eras. even though i do like a few nirvana songs, hair metal has always been and will always be far superior! and @ radikal, AMEN! all these grunge fans want to try to argue when people talk about how far more talented the hair metal musicians were/are but it's not even debateable-it is a FACT! i also agree with the people that say that the 2 musical genres reflect what was going on in those decades (naturally)and anybody who's lived long enough knows that the 80's was really the last great era. the 90's f*cking sucked, plain and simple. everything comes around, that's just the way it is. a person on here already mentioned that the 70's and 80's styles, trends ect came back but has anyone ever wondered why not one thing from the 90's has come back around yet? we are in 2012 now and the very last year of the 90's was 13 years ago so certainly enough time has passed. the simple truth is that there is nothing that great or really worth bringing back from that decade. yes, the 80's was about decadence, partying and having fun and yes, the hair bands reflected that and any person that says that isn't appealing to them is a LIYING sack of sh*t or like someone previously mentioned, a little bandwagon jumper/follower that was told that that isn't cool and believes it because they don't have a mind of their own. anyways, that is the reason that the hair bands have endured and sell records to this day. because EVERYBODY-young and old, black and white, can relate to having a GOOD TIME!
    radikal Posted 1 year 11 months ago
    Here we are in 2011 and the fact remains... Who's still here? Bon Jovi just came in second in total income for musical act. That's NUMBER TWO in all of music. There's not a grunge act listed in the top 25. So the answer is right there. For those who want to add AC/DC, Def Leppard and other bands from the late 70's to the hair band list although they are technically not... deal with the fact that AC/DC made the top 25 and Def Leppard continues one of the top touring bands.
    Now here's an even bigger example of the separation between grunge and 80's "metal/hair metal". ANY band from the hair metal band days could play ANY song ever produced by a grunge band. However, it'd be rare for a grunge band to have the musical skills to play songs by the "hair" bands. To be in a "hair" band, you had to be very skilled. Most of them knew jazz, blues, country... and quite a few had been classically trained. Yes, the hair was a marketing issue. Underneath the hair was a very good musician. They teach grunge songs to beginners in music school... They teach hair metal songs to the advanced class.
    And that people... is the basic facts.
    grunge91 Posted 2 years 2 months ago
    people are addicted to fun. good times will always be loved. but hair metal went away from good times with the start of balads. which gave the outsiders a chance to strike.so grunge killed hair metal after it weakened itself
    eraleak Posted 2 years 8 months ago
    I guess i can agree with your stuff bro but heres my piece. They both have their up's and down's, Hair Metal i've never really liked personally cuz it has such poser-ish style .. i mean .. huge hair, over done "look at me im crazy and spotanious" look, and this huge desire to be cool, its basic and so.. in the box music style with a bigger kick.. just proved to themselves when they were little might of grew up kina poor there for this desire to be seen and be larger than life look (which is good though cuz it provokes positivity to its listeners and a positive energy for all) (juss good'ol fashion metal is perfect anger, energy, saddness and emotion not desire) but hair metal had a huge ego yet positve look on life and a desire hungry lust for MORE. Which i think and you guys might think that in this time and age we so need it. But I think the WORD grunge created by literally a poser guy looking for a good word to categorize them killed the positive mood cuz ever since Nirvana hit it big with Kurts angry and sad (for a reason) expressions from his life experiences on their music and that seemed to have jumped into mainstream so suddenly caught alot of people off guard to see that, that negativity hit #1 on the charts, therefor people thought this is the new thing lets start being emo and depressed we'll prolly hit it big too. The thing is.. your not.. Grunge's feel is sludgy heavy, angry, rushed and over disstorted but they were expressing their feelings juss the way hair metal did as well, you wont see such creativity in lyrics and sound and tabs from other genres (admit it). I mean have you heard of soundgarden they fucking rock!!! the Melvins such true emotions.. they werent sad.. infact they got a heavy punk and upbeat feel if youve ever heard it. They have a REAL unique metal flavor to it that no other genre has. Seattle seems naturaly gloomy and sad they only get so many sunny days it just seems to be their fate to be gloomy and outcast' from the rest of the nation. So their writing and singing and playing wat that state had already engraved in them in a way, Grunge kicked ass they never pretended to be something else other than themselves (and thats the messege). Other WANNABE grunge bands make it look bad because they DONT have that sludgy growing up feel. You cant be something your not and if you try you WILL make it look bad and negative (juss be yourself kids). But because of Washington state thats why so many real seattle bands used drugs just to get rid of those sad feelings and outcast sense because they werent understood and couldn't fit in cuz the whole world (mostly) wanted to get rich but to them it WASN'T about getting rich and being better than others and looking larger than life its about getting out the unseen positive messege that wasnt allowed to be seen by the corporations and labels cuz they did and always will focus on making more MONEY. Money is the source of greed and hate and murder and evil. Seattle bands know this and juss wanted it to be about the music. They were the only ones to try to make different sounds and vocals and energy cuz the whole world only focused on making it big getting better stuff making more $$$.. THE WHOLE WORLD! and the corp. saw that as an opportunity to turn it into money and made it look sad and emo because NEVERMINDS album made it look "cool" and people juss want the next big thing. So because of all that crap grunge was misunderstood, used and later killed cuz people suck and all they want is to be "cool" their different look on life was misunderstood and their creativity was too much to be imitated and was sitting on a destined to snap thin wire that is mentality and it died cuz it was misunderstood morphed into something it wasnt and died of grief. Grunge died when it signed up to bigger labels, grunge.. let me rephrase that word .. ROCK! died when it was trying to show the its positiveness on music and was overshadowed ROCK died ....... when it stopped being itself.. i think i can safely say that from 1995 to present day we've had nothing but wannabe sad emo bands (Grunge) and gotta get rich and have more (Hair) bands that thought it was cool to be something your not.
    And I doubt anybody hasnt noticed that we dont have any true bands or artists today. Rock hasnt been the same ever since "grunge" the lone rebell against the labels tried to fight against the corruption and got killed by people making the exact opposite of the point music tried to make.
    True metal cant be imitated true rock has to come from the real you and your real feel, im reffering to your hair metal too bro it cant be imitated, people try and fail ... juss like "grunge" cant be imitated either.
    I guess my whole arguement is dont judge because from the looks of our history has gotten us nothing but hatred and all thats bad in this world today and also be yourself. Hair didn't try to be something their werent they did wat they did best because their true feelings made them rock and thats why they ruled the 80's same for "grunge", punk, funk, ska, reggae, metal, jazz, blues and everything else.
    I dont like much artists today their too fake you can juss feel it when someones being fake. And i should be one of those fake kids cuz .. fuck . i was born in 92, but i refuse to be like those posers (this got out of hand) XD
    merktokes Posted 2 years 10 months ago
    Hair bands were the most embarrassing thing that happened to rock. Their death was helped by the fact that they called themselves 'metal', when they actually were nothing more than 'pop-rock'... c'mon warrant?!?. I was in Jr High in the mid 1980's, and I was fortunate enough to be exposed to Ride the Lightning. I was given a mixed tape from one of my friends older brothers and it had Slayer, Venom, Anthrax, Celtic Frost and Metallica, among others. It completely blew me away and I was excited to know that Metallica was working on Master of Puppets. I pretty much threw away every cassette and album that I had including Motley Crue because none of them could touch this real 'metal' that I had discovered. As I moved into high school, my tastes expanded into classic rock, punk, industrial, and 'alternative' (see Nothing's Shocking). As my tastes blossomed, my distaste, even resentment of 'hair bands' grew. I am so glad that I don't see it now..... by the way, Beavis and Butthead were high school students, not college kiddies.
    comicbookfan19 Posted 3 years 5 days ago
    grunge was way better.
    here are all the good 80's bands megadeath gnr and thats about it .
    nirvana soundgarden aic and stp are my faves of all time .
    and stp are back.
    JoeyT33 Posted 3 years 3 months ago
    This article could not be anymore like a discussion I had with a co worker the other day. I could not have said it this good though. The funny thing is that I am in my early 30's and spent most of my teeenage years growing up in grunge and my co worker is in her late 30's and spent her teenage years growing up in metal. However, I am the metal head and she is the flanel queen.

    I still feel that grunge raped the best of my teenage years. In Junior high and early high school the cool thing was hair metal, then all of a sudden we were overnight shipped into grunge. I could not make the "fake plunge". It was ridiculous! I litteraly remember in like 91 or 92 buying the new Warrent Album Dog Eat Dog and getting made fun of for still listening to that after Nevermind came out. Sorry I was not about to start acting like a suicidal bitch that hated life just because it was the new trend. And all you grunge phony's , yes you were a trend! Athough all you freaks tried to say that you were being yourself and original. Please! Like this article states, Metal never tried to fool you. It was over the top and a parity of itself, but everthing was right out on the table. The worst kind of a follower is one who won't admit that they are one! Grunge is dead because all of your heros either killed themselves or are in a psych ward.

    I don't remember the exact quote, but I remember Vince Neil saying something like the following: Most of our lives did suck at first, but music was a place to escape to and dream. Not complain!

    If ther is one anology that goes woth grunge music, I would have to say it would be whiner music. My mommy doesn't love me enough boo hoo, someone give me some black fingernails and cry with with me.
    zakkman Posted 3 years 5 months ago
    GLAM AND THRASH ARE THE ONLY GOOD KINDS OF MUSIC ALONG WITH HEAVY METAL
    tykettoed Posted 4 years 2 months ago
    Now i realised what happened in 1992 -- the whole world turned collectively stupid and discarded hair-metal for that no-talent piece of nonsense called grunge. I'd like to see one grunge guitarist play the solo to freight train by nitro. That's the benchmark!!! They'd piss in their pants and run to gloria steinem and cry in her lap!!! To hell with all the grunge and emo bullshit
    kbain78 Posted 4 years 4 months ago
    You can say what you want about hair metal, but some of the best guitarist came from this genre of music.
    grindcore fan Posted 4 years 6 months ago
    grindcore owns the fuck out of this shitty ass music.
    Yodamite Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    And years later, I'm still waiting to hear proof that hair metal is still alive.

    This article is a miserable failure.
    futuramafan95 Posted 4 years 9 months ago
    what is so great about dudes dressed like gilrs.that is why hair metal sucks
    johnchen Posted 4 years 10 months ago
    Um, "Youth Gone Wild" wasn't exactly a song about enjoying your life. It was about being openly proud and defiant of one's unruly behaviour. I was a Skid Row fan as a teenager, and even then I didn't find anything positive or uplifting about this song. If anything, it has a very bleak, depressing outlook on life. Read the lyrics again, I'm surprised you could possibly interpret it the way you do.
    SleepawayCamper13 Posted 4 years 11 months ago
    hair metal is the best and i definitely support it!
    Sporty Posted 5 years 2 months ago
    The guys who played glam were serious musicians, you have to be to write Eruption. They were fast as shit and pretty great.

    The guys who played grunge were serious artists, sure any retard who's played guitar a couple of days can play Teen Spirit but try writing the lyrics.

    You didn't need to be produced (though many were), Mudhoney purpousley gave themselves horrible sound quality because it sounds cool, it's different tastes, get over it. Alot of them couldn't sing or play their instruments very well (again, alot of them could) but you didn't have to, they made sweet punk records and got their message out, it's all they ever needed to do.

    bighairrules Posted 5 years 6 months ago
    big hair ruled and still rules !!!

    http://www.BigHairRules.com

    brandon62083 Posted 5 years 7 months ago
    The person who wrote this article has very little to no factual knowledge on grunge music and may need to keep their opinion to themself to save face in this type subject. A few errors i noticed 1. alice in chains did not break up in 96, the never broke up, 2. not all grunge songs are depressing, in fact if you listen to any given grunge lyric, most are quite happy, amusing, and some make absolutely no sense at all! Just because Kurt Cobain killed himself does not mean that all grunge musicians are heroin addicts and are depressing suicidals. look at chris cornell! he is way to full of himself to be any where near suicidal! (love ya Chris).. Their is a quote in here from Def Leppard i think, about some guy being a "product of the 90's"? I dont blame him for being upset! if a new wave of music came along and killed my music career i'd be upset too... I am a fan of both "hair metal" and so called "grunge"... (i say so called because i dont believe that any 2 grunge bands sounded anything alike therefore shouldn't be clumped into the same group just because they got big in the 90's )and reading this upset me because i hate it when people dish out opinions with out having a leg to stand on. I, like the Def Leppard guys, dont blame you for being upset with grunge! they killed your favorites! but in my opinion, you have to know something to hate somthing, and you know nothing about grunge, you know about nirvana. dont down a whole genre just cause one guy killed himeself.

    PS. Alice in Chains were pretty much origionally "hair metal" do your research...

    TheNexus1 Posted 5 years 7 months ago
    People act like that grunge music is the first kind of music to sing about anger, deppression, and apathy. Blues artists like Robert Johnson, and BB King were doing it years ago. Also Artists like The Doors, Led Zeppelin, Guns N' Roses, Johnny Cash, The Rolling Stones, Hank Williams, they all sung about these issues. Just because you sing about deppression doesn't mean that your glamourizing it,songs are a reflection of how the writer feels, and if Kurt Cobain and Eddie Vedder felt this way then naturally there songs are gonna come off that way. I think that alot of the hair metal bands were over produced and they just came off as lame. Bands like Cinderella, and Winger. Guns n' Roses were even going against hair metal even though alot of people lump them in that catagory, they drew there influence from punk bands like The New York Dolls, The Stooges, and The Damned, and Rock n Roll bands like The Rolling Stones and Rose Tattoo, not over produced 70's crap like Boston and Reo Speedwagon which the punk bands of that time were rebelling against just as the grunge bands of the 90's were rebelling against shit like Bon Jovi, and Poison, I don't believe for a second that they were rebelling against good 80's bands like Moterhead, Megadeth, D.R.I, and Metallica. Play any over produced hair band of the 80's today and it sounds dated, play something like the Ramones, or Black Flag, or Nirvana and it doesn't sound dated at all it still holds up and is socially significant.
    ducktalesfan1977 Posted 5 years 8 months ago
    They both suck.
    brighterhell Posted 5 years 9 months ago
    The author of this article completely misunderstands the origins of grunge. It formed out of punk, which itself was a reaction to the overindulgent rock bands of the 70s...which seemed tastefully restrained next to the spandex, poodle haircuts and nauseating power ballads of the 80s.

    In the early 90s there was a brutal recession and kids didn't have jobs or money - nobody wanted to hear songs about "enjoying life" because kids didn't see good prospects for their lives. Grunge was huge because it rejected the pompousness of 80s rock and it reflected the mood of the time. There's still a lot of crap going on the the world but it's not as bad now so gloomy music isn't as prevalent.

    Back to the original point of the article - which genre is bigger now? The "big 3" of grunge were Nirvana, Pearl Jam and Soundgarden. Kurt's obviously dead but Dave Grohl leads the Foo Fighters and is one of the biggest rock stars on the planet. Pearl Jam's last CD debuted at #2 on Billboard and they sell out arenas without even trying. Soundgarden broke up but Chris Cornell was in Audioslave, who had 3 huge records in the last 5 years, one of which went to #1. All of them have got past the gloomy music and have matured as artists: Pearl Jam's "Life Wasted" and Audioslave's "Cochise" are about that very subject.

    So where are the hair metal bands, like Warrant and Skid Row and Poison? Playing casinos and county fairs?
    NostalgicNed Posted 5 years 9 months ago
    Grunge is real and down to Earth. The real depressing stuff is the emo music.
    voltron82 Posted 5 years 10 months ago
    F*** hair metal and F*** Kurt Cobain!! Soundgarden and Alice in Chains is where it's at!!
    HairMetal12 Posted 6 years 1 month ago
    Excellent Article!!!!! Hair Metal Rocks!!! Grunge Sucks!!! Just as Tenacious D put it in The Metal,"Grunge tried to kill the Metal. They failed as they were thrown to the ground!!!!!!"

    Hair Metal Rock On!!!!!!!!
    HairMetalRules Posted 6 years 1 month ago
    Great article bro.. Grunge has to be killed and wiped off if it ain't dead yet. Showing the sleepy sad face does not make and musician better...

    Let's imagine, if there were to be a contest of who could sing better, who could play better original guitar riffs, who could smash the drums better, the grunge buys would not even be able to compete with the guitarists of hair metal bands... they were musicians and singers, not just angry people trying to sing and play
    jdurg Posted 7 years 4 months ago
    I don't know. You could kind of say that Ska is dead. Like a hemmorhoid, it showed up for a while, drove everyone nuts, then thankfully got reabsorbed into nothingness.

    As for good music, give me a Tool album any day of the week.
    Yodamite Posted 7 years 5 months ago
    "I have plenty of solid facts..."

    I'm still waiting for you to prove that hair metal is still alive.
    exleper24 Posted 7 years 5 months ago
    First off, any valid point you approach in this editorial is killed by your horrible writing--you need to refine some basic English skills here. This was a hard read.

    I'd just like to throw in the argument that if we're attributing the fall of grunge to the idea that no one wants to listen to music about being miserable, then how do you account for the more recent popularity of goth/emo music and the whole generation of Hot Topic kids who are painted up with eye liner, and scream along to "My Chemical Romance" singing about death and being dumped?

    Plus, you can't write off a musical genre because the bands are only using a few chords and there's no epic Satriani-esque guitar solos. What about the Clash for god's sake?

    Basically, you said that it all comes down to a matter of taste. There you have it. These types of arguments drive me nuts because all you'll essentially see is reps from each camp arguing back and forth to no avail. Everyone has personal tastes. Forget what the critics say--they're usually pushing their own tastes as well. Listen to what you like, and let everyone else listen to what they like. And don't wax scholarly unless you have solid facts to back up information.

    Yikes, I never thought I'd get into one of these damn things.
    Yodamite Posted 7 years 5 months ago
    Hair metal lives on? Where exactly? It's still deader than a doornail.
    nickynooch Posted 7 years 5 months ago
    I'd rather my favorite bands concentrate on music than their latest reality show (Vince Neil, Tommy Lee). I guess to me thats laughable, but to each his own. I actually like both genres, but much more a "grunge" fan.

    Pearl Jam is one of the most successful touring bands of all time. They have had completely control and success at their career largely due to the fact that they aren't on TV hardly at all. Still 100% successful, more than any hair band in my opinion. Their talent is unreal, and by the way the "drummers beating a cardboard box" comment... apparently you haven't heard Matt Cameron play for Soundgarden and now Pearl Jam, or Dave Grohl, Jack Irons, etc.

    Please don't mention Staind and Nickelback... they have NOTHING to do with the Seattle scene.

    It just seems like Seattle bands cared more about average joe fans, while the hair metal bands just want their money. I guess this is the musical battle of corporate america. It costs around 75 bucks a ticket with shirts over 35 bucks at Motley Crue shows! That's insane! I think the seattle bands just cared a bit more about their fans, while hair bands are more concerned on $$$$.

    You say Hair Metal is still around, but "grunge" is not... what about Pearl Jam, Audioslave (pretty much a new Soundgarden), Scott Weiland is highly successful with Velvet Revolver, etc.

    Being on a reality show doesn't mean you are an accomplished musician, does it?
    devoelodi Posted 7 years 5 months ago
    im a Black guy who lived in an all black neighborhood, and only listened to black music. in the summer of 88 i got sent away to camp with all white people. i use to wonder what kind of music white people listened to. so at the camp, they started playing Def leopard. and i like it. (step inside, walk this way, just u and be babe, HEY HEY) then i heard metallica, and bon jovi, and couldnt wait to get back home to watch mtv to see all those songs come to life. even though hip hop is my life, i love 80's rock also. the 90's came the music just got better. use your illusion 1 and 2 are freaking classics! i just recently started listening to old A/C D/C (for those about to rock, FIRE!!)

    im a big fan of rock music, but i hope u all gave 80's rap music a chance also.

    that will be all, thank u
    MattNash Posted 7 years 5 months ago
    Foo Fighters? Audioslave? Queens of theStone Age? Velvet Revoler? All of these "Nu MMetal" bands? Grunge is not dead, my friend
    eep! Posted 7 years 5 months ago
    Milton FC comment is longer than the article. heh. punk rules you all.
    xjourneyescapex Posted 7 years 5 months ago
    note: beavis and butthead WERE NOT college students but HIGH SCHOOL students.
    Boomerang Bro Posted 7 days 13 hours ago
    They were about 16-17.
    Milton FC Posted 7 years 6 months ago
    Well well well, somebody missed the point didn't they?

    I'm not going to go into the fallacies of hair metal because they're plain to see to me. I'm not going to go into them because I don't care - there's a place for every style and you can take a quick look around and see a myriad of genres within current music culture that those of us who lived through the eighties & nineties have no connection to. Go to eighties night, wear your leather, love your solos - i'm sincerly happy for you and hope you get as much out of it as I get out of all the music I enjoy. I can't connect to it. Nevermind.

    'Grunge' was not about self-loathing and depression, it was about going back to basics, inspiring the young to pick up instruments by engaging them. It was about how beautiful melody and simple chords combined with heartfelt lyrics can create the most amazing feeling inside. As eighties ground to an end (kicking and screaming as it went) people were slowly beginning to realise that behind the image, behind the smiles, behind the acres of bouffon hair...there wasn't anything they could connect to. Average Joe doesn't go to work in thigh-high boots. And though this may be the second time i've brought this up - SPANDEX?!? WTF?!? Come on man, how can anyone take that seriously?

    Ah ha, you say, Hair Metal was not supposed to be taken seriously! My point exactly. Many people do take music seriously. Very seriously. Is it a bad thing to take something that can be so beautiful so seriously? Not in my opinion, humble as it may be.

    So people wanted to take music seriously. People wanted to connect to it again. Kids wanted to pick up instruments and not feel like they could only play if they could move their fingers eratically at high speeds to that staple section of EVERY hair metal track - the C**k rock solo. 'Grunge' said hey kids, play a few chords together and you can start a band! Get together with your mates and make some music! Yeah, you're upset with what's going on right now - so are we - so express that in music.

    Expressing a true range of emotion in music? At the end of the eighties this was borderline innovation.

    OK lets cover a few counters to your claims:

    - Stand and play on stage? One word. Nirvana.

    - Virtuoso? Getting your guitar off. Where's the focus? What's the point?

    If you want to launch a crusade against 'Grunge' then go for it, but understand that 'Grunge' is a name to categorise and bring under control a movement, and was created by the real targets for your abuse - the media. Society can take the blame for looking to associate itself with the movement in any way it could - yeah I had the flannel shirts, yeah I had the ripped up jeans, yeah I might have fallen into that trap like the rest of the young people that were connecting with music at the time. At least I could go home and listen to something that felt true, that felt believable, that expressed the emotions I was feeling.

    This may be the first time i've ever written anything in answer to someone elses ignorance, or to be fair and seeking the good in the author, their misunderstanding, but I wouldn't be writing it if I didn't feel passionate enough to effectively skive for the afternoon as I feverishly type away in support for a genre that changed my life for the better. I'm not manic depressive, i'm a positive person. I love music now as much as I did back then. I'd rather buy the latest Queens of the Stone Age record than the Darkness latest offering, and feel all ther better for it.

    'Grunge' was an answer. It was an answer to the questions that Hair Metal had left everyone with. It was never meant to stagger on. It was a short, sharp, kick in the balls to remind people what music could be like. It may have died when Kurt took his life, but it remains today all the more potent because of it. I don't support the mans chosen path, but i've felt enough emotion to understand how someone could get there. Oh, and the man would turn in his grave if you placed Nickleback & Staind in the same category as his outfit.

    'Grunge' didn't make me feel down, it made me feel great - and still does today. I admire your passion for your music. I understand your heartfelt need to defend it - true enough it is berated too often by people who never connected with it, never understood it, and their voices are heard because they have something critical to say. Some of your statements are wrong. Some of them are offensive. Most of them are evidently from the angle of someone who simply doesn't understand.
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